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Old Posted Jul 24, 2010, 10:17 AM
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North-Central LRT. In particular, the current planned alignment for the future North Central LRT is deeply flawed. While the Nose Creek Valley alignment (adjacent to Deerfoot Trail) would be cheaper, no one actually lives there. It continues the old thinking of the LRT as merely being a way to get people from the suburbs to downtown, rather than as a tool of economic development and sustainable growth along its length. We should reinvestigate a North-Central Line serving the 100,000 people who live in communities.
surrounding Centre Street North as well as those north of Beddington.
Been away from the computer for a little bit but was very happy to return and read this bit of great news!! Hopefully this items enters into the debate and actually gets people talking about the issue.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2010, 10:36 AM
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Regarding Barb Higgins, if she's entering I'd imagine her biggest impact right away will be to erode the support purely from name recognition that Ric McIver is currently riding.

The "hey, I've actually heard of that person" vote (when asked in a public opinion poll) from the average Calgarian that pays very little attention to civic politics will then be split between Higgins and McIver.

People will only really start paying attention to actual issues, policies and leadership qualities much closer to the election. As clearly the most substantive candidate Nenshi has managed to gather a lot of support from the so-called "super-engaged" (people like us) which is his necessary first step. He has the pool of volunteers and fundraising momentum that can propel him to be viewed as one of the contenders come the later stages of that campaign, at which point people will start paying greater attention and align their support with one of the leading contenders whom they agree with most and think can actually lead the city. People like Higgins and McIver are in the opposite position - starting from a position of being well-known and having to prove themselves under greater scrutiny as someone who actually knows what their doing being leader a city of a million + with multi-billion dollar budgets.

It will be an interesting campaign.
Yeah, especially when you realize all your nenshi pumping/cheerleading got you nowhere
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2010, 3:55 PM
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Yeah, especially when you realize all your nenshi pumping/cheerleading got you nowhere
What, is this the Herald comment page all of a sudden? Is it wrong for Wooster and others here to discuss the issues and draw people's attention to the strengths and weaknesses of the candidates' platforms?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2010, 3:59 PM
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Hey, gotta fight for what you believe in.

I'd love to be discussing all the candidates platforms and ideas as well. Unfortunately, no one else seems interested in actually releasing platform ideas.
     
     
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Yeah, especially when you realize all your nenshi pumping/cheerleading got you nowhere
Yup all his efforts got him nowhere. This is based on a poll 3 months before the election, which only included 400 or so respondents and was conducted by a non-independent polling firm. Have you ever taken a class in statistics, or more specifically on political polling? Polls like this carry very little weight.

Just remember that people thought Clinton was going to take the democratic nomination after the Florida primary, and super Tuesday, where she did quite well. But Obama then took the next 11 primaries in a row and Clinton got trounced.

The only poll that counts is the election.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2010, 8:21 PM
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Hey, gotta fight for what you believe in.

I'd love to be discussing all the candidates platforms and ideas as well. Unfortunately, no one else seems interested in actually releasing platform ideas.


It's going to be very funny when McIvor wins - a lot of denial on here as usual and when the election results are released you will all be posting comments like "I can't believe it, our poll had nenshi at 90%"

The truth is the opinions of people on this forum make up a small minority with extremist ideals - and a lot of you don't even live in Calgary and you can't guarantee that someone from California that's jobless is checking out things in Calgary and happens to cast a vote in the poll. Already there are people here that are resorting to insults that are only used on this forum - inside jokes around here. To me it doesn't come across as a sign of political influence/might - rather it gives me the impression of a support group.

The comment sections in mainstream media are more representative of the general public's opinion. This forum is not mainstream - but I think we can all agree that mainstream media has more influence than blogs and forums - for now.

For clarity, the point here is that this is a specialty website made up of a relatively small group of voters with strong opinions on certain topics. It is not representative of the general voting public. The attempts to justify waste and the inside jokes are proof to me that there's a lot of denial going on here. Hopefully some of you will take off the pink sunglasses.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2010, 8:26 PM
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No one here believes that this group is at all representative of Calgary at large. Everyone knows McIver is the frontrunner. No one has ever said otherwise. But frontrunner at the beginning of a race does not always translate into victory automatically.
     
     
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Wooster: I agree! McIver was always the favorite from the start. And like you said no one here disputes that. My problem with McIver is: Will he meet the needs of what the city needs, in-so-far as infrastucture, developement, education, transportation, issues of the local economy, ect. He's pretty cozy with the sburban developers, and those guys have been getting subsidized by the rest of the city for years! This must stop and should never have gone on this long! If he's so concerned about taxepayers, which all politicians should be, this is definnetely something (McIver should he get elected), must look into.
     
     
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It's going to be very funny when McIvor wins - a lot of denial on here as usual and when the election results are released you will all be posting comments like "I can't believe it, our poll had nenshi at 90%"

The truth is the opinions of people on this forum make up a small minority with extremist ideals - and a lot of you don't even live in Calgary and you can't guarantee that someone from California that's jobless is checking out things in Calgary and happens to cast a vote in the poll. Already there are people here that are resorting to insults that are only used on this forum - inside jokes around here. To me it doesn't come across as a sign of political influence/might - rather it gives me the impression of a support group.

The comment sections in mainstream media are more representative of the general public's opinion. This forum is not mainstream - but I think we can all agree that mainstream media has more influence than blogs and forums - for now.

For clarity, the point here is that this is a specialty website made up of a relatively small group of voters with strong opinions on certain topics. It is not representative of the general voting public. The attempts to justify waste and the inside jokes are proof to me that there's a lot of denial going on here. Hopefully some of you will take off the pink sunglasses.
I take it you support McIver. If you do, can you please let the rest of us know why?
     
     
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It's going to be very funny when McIvor wins - a lot of denial on here as usual and when the election results are released you will all be posting comments like "I can't believe it, our poll had nenshi at 90%"
Alright, cut the snide attitude. Nobody here has ever claimed the opinion of this board is the same as the general populace. We all realize that the people on here represent a small special-interest, and we will of course gravitate towards the candidates that cater to what we think is right. That doesn't mean the viewpoints expressed here are any less valid, or can't be vocalized.

As a small aside, if you look at a similar poll at Calgarypuck (a hockey fan website that we can all agree is more in tune with the general feeling of the Calgary population, or at least the male half), you'll see that guys like Nenshi and Hehr do have some solid support early on.
(http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=92599

Obviously, not something to take too seriously either.....but this race is still wide open.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 25, 2010, 3:22 AM
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No one here believes that this group is at all representative of Calgary at large. Everyone knows McIver is the frontrunner. No one has ever said otherwise. But frontrunner at the beginning of a race does not always translate into victory automatically.
However quite often an early lead does lead to a victory
     
     
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The comment sections in mainstream media are more representative of the general public's opinion.


The comments section on most newspaper/TV websites is filled with the same people who call into radio shows. Drunks, the unemployed, and the chronically stupid.

This forum may not be a fair sampling of society as a whole, but if that's your alternative...
     
     
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Most of these candidates are delusional. The City is facing a $60M budget shortfall even with a 6% property tax hike and utility rate hikes well above inflation, the hangover from Bronconnier's spending orgy. The real discussion being avoided is what will be cut. Nenshi seems the most naive of the bunch, like one of those people who run for student politics focusing on the what rather than the how of their proposals.

Barb Higgin's success will be contingent on her backers. Bronconnier rode to success by planting his nose directly in the butts of the construction and development industries and will ride off into the sunset with millions of dollars from his property holdings along the wLRT route. McIver seems to be focusing on small business owners. All Barb Higgins needs to do is win over corporate Calgary (aka big oil) or appeal to property tax payers.
     
     
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Nenshi seems the most naive of the bunch, like one of those people who run for student politics focusing on the what rather than the how of their proposals.
I couldn't disagree more. In fact he's the only candidate that with each proposal has expained not only what he wants, but how.

A few examples of the 5 policy platforms he has released:

What he wants - secondary suites city-wide

How:

Conditions:
◦All provincial building code rules must be met, notably the need for fire safety (e.g. fire walls between suites, smoke alarms that ring on all floors)

◦One off-street parking spot must be provided for the suite, in addition to the spots required for the main dwelling. This rule would be waived for suites within 500 metres of an LRT or BRT station.

◦The owner must occupy any home with a suite; both units cannot be rented simultaneously.


What he wants - an independent auditor:

How:

◦Strengthen the independence of the auditor, by clarifying that the office reports to Council, while being guided and mentored by the audit committee

◦Change the terms of the auditor position to enhance independence (e.g. in Toronto, the Auditor General is appointed for one non-renewable seven-year term, and Council may add, but not remove, audits from the A-G’s workplan.)

◦End the practice of having auditor reports vetted by City management prior to being presented to Council

◦Change the composition of the Audit Committee to include more citizen experts, and investigate the feasibility of a majority of the committee being non-Council members

◦Fully fund the auditor’s office and insist on a high standard of work quality, including a peer review (external audit) of the auditor’s office itself every three years.

What he wants - to get airport tunnel built:

How:

a. Borrow the money now, in the realm of an additional $250 million (part of the consequence of City Hall dithering is that no one has a real cost estimate). It appears that the City has the debt capacity currently, and our discussions with provincial officials have suggested that they are willing to approve this funding.

b. Explore options for paying back the loan, including partnerships with the federal and provincial governments, as well as with the Calgary Airport Authority. Both senior levels of government have indicated that they need a signal that the City takes this tunnel seriously, and moving forward would certainly provide that assurance. (Interest rates are still low, and a 10-year loan through the Alberta Capital Finance Authority would cost about $50 million in interest, so there is an incentive to paying back early where possible).

c. Negotiate to delay the closure of Barlow Trail from April 2011 to summer 2011, when Metis Trail is complete. Although the Airport Authority has said it is not willing to negotiate, the City has leverage that it has not yet chosen to use.

In the case of the airport tunnel, yes it is an expensive item - and ideally the city would have prioritized this project in the TIIP over other road projects like the Bowfort interchange, which will have an equivilant cost, but in no way is as urgent as the airport tunnel.

Regarding the imminent budget shortfall - Nenshi is one of the only candidates that actually demanded that the Police budget undergo the same scrutiny as every other department in order to find some cuts to reduce the shortfall. Meanwhile, McIver, Hehr, Connelly and others fought to exempt the police from any cuts, despite them being the largest department in the city, and whose administrative costs have risen at a much higher rate than the actual increase in uniformed officers in the past 5 years. McIver also purports a zero-based budgeting process, yet at the same time wants to pre-approve budgets without even seeing them. How can you have both?

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It's going to be very funny when McIvor wins - a lot of denial on here as usual and when the election results are released you will all be posting comments like "I can't believe it, our poll had nenshi at 90%"
I won't be surprised if McIver wins. I am almost sure it will happen. That doesn't mean I want it to happen. Believing something is going to happen and wanting it to happen are two completely different things.

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The truth is the opinions of people on this forum make up a small minority with extremist ideals - and a lot of you don't even live in Calgary and you can't guarantee that someone from California that's jobless is checking out things in Calgary and happens to cast a vote in the poll. Already there are people here that are resorting to insults that are only used on this forum - inside jokes around here. To me it doesn't come across as a sign of political influence/might - rather it gives me the impression of a support group.
I, and I think most people on this forum, understand very well that our poll is representative of SSPers and nothing more. I do not think Nenshi has the most support in the city. Nor do I think he has the most support amongst forumers, because the poll wasn't completed by everyone, so it is a stretch for me to think so. I do think he has the most support amongst people who completed the poll though.

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The comment sections in mainstream media are more representative of the general public's opinion. This forum is not mainstream - but I think we can all agree that mainstream media has more influence than blogs and forums - for now.


Look Korzym, I really have to question your understanding of what a representative poll is. Comment's sections, online polls, phone surveys etc etc are all terrible representations of the public's opinion. They are:
1. Self Selecting (only those who choose to comment do)
2. Not random (the poll only represents the readers of these papers, not the population as a whole)
3. Often use loaded questions in their phrasing.

The only accurate representation of any form of survey is the Canadian Census, because everyone, by law, has to fill it out. Anything else has to be taken with a heaping of salt.

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For clarity, the point here is that this is a specialty website made up of a relatively small group of voters with strong opinions on certain topics. It is not representative of the general voting public. The attempts to justify waste and the inside jokes are proof to me that there's a lot of denial going on here. Hopefully some of you will take off the pink sunglasses.
Korzym, before you make any other comment regarding the validity of polls, especially online comments sections, or make comments about what people here are asserting, TAKE A STATS CLASS (or a polling class). Because you seem to have no grasp whatsoever on what a scientific poll is.
     
     
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Oh wow, that clears up a bunch of questions.
     
     
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I like a lot of people, but it doesn't mean I would vote for any of them to run a city. Besides being able to work the camera, I'm not sure what qualifies Barb to be mayor. Maybe she has some ideas though, I guess we'll have to see....but I hope her campaign (if it's a legit rumor) is not just based on nostalgic goodwill.
If I recall, there was a journalist in Calgary several years ago who ran for Mayor and won - I think his name was Klein or something...

...and he definitely didn't have the popularity that Barb does.

But, putting the history aside, let's hope she delivers a solid platform so that she's not just running on her public image (assuming she's throwing her hat in the ring).
     
     
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If I recall, there was a journalist in Calgary several years ago who ran for Mayor and won - I think his name was Klein or something...

...and he definitely didn't have the popularity that Barb does.
However, as a journalist he was building the reputation of his ideas rather than simply voicing the opinion of others. There is a difference between a journalist and a news broadcaster/anchor.
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However, as a journalist he was building the reputation of his ideas rather than simply voicing the opinion of others. There is a difference between a journalist and a news broadcaster/anchor.
Hmm, on local news I don't know how true that is. I don't think the beat reporters have a great deal of editorial input.

I won't be voting for Barb Higgins, but I would say a couple things in her defence: firstly, even if all she did was 'read' the news, she's done that for 5000 newscasts now; I don't know how many candidates have watched that many local newscasts, so this at least suggests she's informed; secondly, it is well known that she is extremely involved in the community and volunteer work, particularly on the issue of homelessness.

I find it funny that we make an issue out of her previous career and its appropriateness or otherwise for a career in local politics, when I can bet you that the vast majority of voters have no idea what Ric McIver did before becoming alderman (I certainly don't).

On a federal level, Justin Trudeau gets the same treatment ("What does he know? He's only ever worked as a teacher!"), whereas the fact that Stephen Harper has never held a job outside of politics (or lobby groups) doesn't seem to bother people.
     
     
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Well now I know: McIver was trained as a meat-cutter.
     
     
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