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Old Posted Jul 2, 2010, 5:48 PM
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Not to derail the current discussion or anything but I have a small observation/questioon on the canada line.

Has anyone else noticed that the doors are being held open at stations longer than before? Has the timing of the trains changed recently? (I remember recalling that they were going to do a test run of slightly increased frequencies during peak hours, but I've observed this during non peak hours)
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2010, 7:01 PM
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^ If you look back at the announcements, it was said that the dwell times at stations would be increased during the trial.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2010, 7:06 PM
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How the heck does he think Skytrain customers are supposed to get to it? Taxis?

No high-capacity transit system, LRT or RRT, will be the only service available. It makes perfect sense to use feeder lines for either. If you look at Toronto, most of the inbound subway ridership originates with buses, not streetcars - because most of the ridership comes from further-flung regions not served by streetcars.

I'm sure glad he's not in charge of route planning...
I bet most #1 highway users drive along an arterial to get there.

You can bet that not many take Canada Way to get from Vancouver to Surrey... even if they're crossing the Patullo, they'll take the #1 for part of the journey.

In fact, I'm willing to wager that most people in East Vancouver don't take Adanac or Venables into Downtown as well.

Feeders are in all forms of transportation.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2010, 12:22 AM
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I forgot to post - but used the Canada Line after the fireworks on Canada - walked up to the VCC station instead of using waterfront - no bad lines - but went to buy a ticket and the attendant said you don't need a ticke tonight - just go lineup over there

so they must have lost $1000's in people not having to pay
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2010, 8:25 PM
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Trolley Bus Bi-directional single lane tunnel

Check out this Japan Bus Tunnel with single lane. Would this indeed be cheaper and as efficient as a underground RT/LRT line?
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2010, 10:59 PM
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Check out this Japan Bus Tunnel with single lane. Would this indeed be cheaper and as efficient as a underground RT/LRT line?
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I doubt it, because 90% or more of the cost of construction is the actual tunnel itself. Once you have the tunnel, then you can run whatever you want through it.


I heard that a subway in an American city was under construction in the late 20s, but had to be abandoned during the depression because the city & contractor went broke. In the 40s and 50s they tried to finish the tunnels for use by trolleys but that too was a failure. Today, the tunnels hold the pipes for the water trunks and the telephone trunk cables that run through the city centre. During the Dot-Com boom, one company wanted to stuff fibre-optic cables in the tunnels to wire up every building in the downtown core, but someone figured out the scam company was proposing to build more fibre-optic cables in the tunnels than existed in all of the rest of North America.


In Seattle, the 3rd Ave tunnel was built about 25 years ago with the intention to have a subway line running under downtown. While the decisions were being made as to the the type of subway to be built, the tunnel and stations were used by hybrid diesel / trolley buses. These special buses ran as diesels on the streets outside the tunnel; at the entrances to the tunnels the buses would stop & turn off the diesel engine & raise the trolley poles so they would operate like an electric trolley bus inside the tunnel; after exiting the tunnel, the poles would be lowered & the diesel engine re-started to continue driving on the surface streets.

Just last year Seattle inaugurated their first LRT system with the downtown section re-using the 3rd Ave tunnels. They had to be shut down for a few years to be rebuilt to handle the large LRT cars and lay the rails, power and signals needed for a subway system.

However, they also rebuilt the tunnels to have a new generation of hybrid buses use the tunnels too. Being driver-operated, the buses and the LRT trains take great care to not bump into each other.



(from the Wikimedia Commons.)

Here's a picture of the University Street Station.

A Bus is just pulling away, and another is stopped at the platform, but note the LRT rails under the bus and the LRT power wire and separate trolley bus power wires overhead.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2010, 11:04 PM
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I forgot to post - but used the Canada Line after the fireworks on Canada - walked up to the VCC station instead of using waterfront - no bad lines - but went to buy a ticket and the attendant said you don't need a ticke tonight - just go lineup over there

so they must have lost $1000's in people not having to pay
Would you rather have someone grumbling to everyone they know about how long the lineup was just to get a G*d D*mned ticket before getting on the train?

or have them tell everyone they know how fast & convenient it was to take the SkyTrain after the fireworks (although they probably won't admit they didn't pay for a ticket)?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2010, 12:07 AM
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Seattle also had to re-lay the LRT tracks in the bus tunnel because the initial tracks laid when the tunnel was built did not insulate against stray current.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2010, 12:30 AM
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Would you rather have someone grumbling to everyone they know about how long the lineup was just to get a G*d D*mned ticket before getting on the train?

or have them tell everyone they know how fast & convenient it was to take the SkyTrain after the fireworks (although they probably won't admit they didn't pay for a ticket)?
there were no line ups - i walked to the machine all 4 were empty - the woman said you guys don't have to pay tonight

the platform wasn't that bad either - the train was packed but no one complained - this was at the peak of travel too - just about 15-20 mins after the show - we decided to walk to granville cause we wanted to look around a bit - can't comment on what was going on at waterfront

usually when its busy - like they were doing during the olympics - telling you could buy a ticket at the end of your trip instead of before

if the machines are empty and there are no crowds why tell people not to buy a ticket? the volume of people wasn't any worse than rush hour

once it starts backing up than make the decision to give em a free ride - just seems stupid they whine they have no money and than give away free rides
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2010, 8:42 AM
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Vancouver gets mentioned!

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Old Posted Jul 6, 2010, 9:03 AM
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Vancouver gets mentioned!

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It should have never been built according to Zwei
Only 112,000/day on a ~60km system
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2010, 2:18 PM
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But CLC... I wouldn't use that argument. It's Dubai. Everything about Dubai is about excess and show.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 6, 2010, 5:06 PM
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Has anyone noticed service reductions on Skytrain In surrey & New West causing waits of 10 mins?
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 7, 2010, 5:00 PM
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Gordon Price has linked to a Board of Trade survey that's asking for people's reactions to the Olympic transportation plan.

Gordon's post here: http://pricetags.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/board-of-trade-goes-viral/

Survey here: https://www-950.ibm.com/events/wwe/ca/canada.nsf/glsurvey?OpenForm
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2010, 8:57 PM
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Gordon Price has also linked to the sign-up for "A FIELD GUIDE TO TRANSIT DEBATES" with Jarrett Walker of humantransit.org. He says "I have a feeling this new City Program lecture will fill up quickly. Reserve now."

http://pricetags.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/great-debater-jarrett-walker-on-transit/

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A FIELD GUIDE TO TRANSIT DEBATES

August 4, 7 pm
Venue: SFU Harbour Centre, 515 West Hastings Street, Vancouver
Admission is free; reservations are required.
Reserve at www.sfu.ca/reserve

As transit becomes more popular, many cities are having intense and often bitter quarrels about what kind of transit to build or operate. Working from his 20 years of experience as a transit planning consultant, Jarrett Walker examines some of the most common confusions that affect debates about transit, and that often lead to disappointing outcomes.

He then suggests strategies for clarifying transit debates, by recognizing the unavoidable “hard choices” that arise from transit’s intrinsic geometry and costs.

Jarrett Walker is a consultant specialising in transit network design and policy, with 20 years experience on four continents. He grew up in Portland and has been based in Portland, San Francisco, and Vancouver. Currently, he is a Principal Consultant for McCormick Rankin Cagney, based in Sydney, Australia. He holds a Ph.D from Stanford University and writes the popular transit weblog humantransit.org.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2010, 9:03 PM
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Gordon Price has also linked to the sign-up for "A FIELD GUIDE TO TRANSIT DEBATES" with Jarrett Walker of humantransit.org.
I follow Jarrett's blog and find him to be very articulate with a well balanced outlook. I'm looking forward to seeing this.

Thanks for posting!
     
     
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In that video the host said that when Dubai's Green Line opens it will usurp Vancouver's title as home to the longest automated metro in the world by 3km. For what it's worth, when the Evergreen Line is complete the SkyTrain network will be about 80km in length and once again the longest of its type in the world.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2010, 12:01 AM
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In that video the host said that when Dubai's Green Line opens it will usurp Vancouver's title as home to the longest automated metro in the world by 3km. For what it's worth, when the Evergreen Line is complete the SkyTrain network will be about 80km in length and once again the longest of its type in the world.
Add in a Broadway extension (12-kms) and possible Surrey extension (6-12 kms), and assuming Dubai goes permanently broke, I think we're good.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2010, 12:02 AM
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In that video the host said that when Dubai's Green Line opens it will usurp Vancouver's title as home to the longest automated metro in the world by 3km. For what it's worth, when the Evergreen Line is complete the SkyTrain network will be about 80km in length and once again the longest of its type in the world.
Then Dubai passes us with new additions, but we will pass them with UBC extension
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 9, 2010, 1:35 AM
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Dubi is planning 300km in automated trains from what I remember.
     
     
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