Halifax Stadium Discussion

[fenwick16]

Originally Posted by brettinhalifax

Getting a stadium built in Canada is a hard sell. The newest permanent CFL stadium is 21 years old and 5 out of 8 CFL teams play in stadiums over 50 years old. You might think that "If Halifax were to build a stadium, it would be the first large stadium ever built in Canada without a big event to justify it or without an existing team to move into it." is just rhetoric.

But it is true.

Great, you just explained all the reasons why Halifax won't build a stadium. Let's all give up dreaming and admit that Halifax isn't going to build a stadium any time in the near future. Instead of finding ways to get it done, people will debate why it can't be done. Meanwhile, Moncton will get a stadium and I and millions of other CFL fans across Canada will wonder what the is wrong with Halifax whereby much smaller cities can make things happen but the Halifax municipality can't. However, many people already know the answer - Halifax is closed for business - there are too many naysayers. Maybe at times having a highly educated workforce is a negative, there are too many debaters and not enough doers.

[brettinhalifax]

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[halifaxboyns]

I think Brett has a point in terms of the long term development of a stadium - although I would take it a little differently.

A temporary stadium is all fine and good to gage demand/need and see if there would be appetite for a team and gage whether there would be corporate sponsorship interest (and yes, SMU/DAL could use it for university football as well).

Corporate sponsorship is where many of these teams get a lot of their money and there are a few developers, corporate citizens that I'm sure could be persuaded to donate money. Ken Rowe (owner of IMP) is a pretty generous guy when it comes to sponsorship; or at least he seemed to be; there is one example. The family that owns eastlink could be approached, the Piercey family, Sobeys...and so on.

Once the temporary field is established - the other thing to consider is that the place could be used for bigger/better things too such as concerts, but that may not work with a temporary field.

When the temporary field is established and say a team comes here; or it's use is justified - then you can move onto securing land a permanent structure. But in considering it's design - it should be designed to be able to support a multitude of sporting and non-sporting events. For example - it should be able to have a football field, but could also have a hockey rink (with the surface for football play that could be put on top - is that possible??), or baseball - then it could also hold concerts and other events.

While I've said before that I think a downtown location would be great (as it would be an addition to the skyline) - I'm not necessairily opposed to a suburban location either (in the right context). McMahon stadium here in Calgary is not in the downtown - it's just outside in the NW (by the university) - but it is easily connected to downtown through the LRT system - the Banff Trail station (adjacent to Motel village) is well positioned. Speaking of motel village; I would highly suggest that if a sub-urban location is considered and the building of this stadium were to be conditioned with getting a team - that hotel/motels be readily accessible from the location. It should also be close to transit (future high speed ferries, rail or potential LRT as well as bus).

But back to my thought on downtown - I think downtown would be better to achieve having it close to hotels/motels and other tourist type venues - so it could be a great addition to that mix. But; sub-urban can work with the right context. Perhaps a location like the Brightwood Golf course could work if it was re-developed - but I'm not sure on that one. Another location to consider would be here:
Akerley Blvd. This is a location that could provide a high speed ferry location with bus access into Burnside Park and there is land adjacent where hotels could be built. The stadium itself could be built on fill - although being so close to the Bedford Munitions depot causes me some concern.

One other site might be as part of the Bedford Waterfront development - say the highway commercial section or as an additional area of land fill.

But I don't think anyone here is trying to say a stadium isn't something to shoot for - I believe people are trying to be realistic in what money HRM has now and in the future. Where I think people under estimate things is corporate sponsorship; because I'm sure many businesses like Sobey's would be right on board.

[fenwick16]

Originally Posted by brettinhalifax

I trust the Mayor about as far as I can throw him, but why would he say anything about a stadium? IMO just by whispering stadium,for every vote he picks up from a CFL fan, he'll probably lose 5 NIMBY votes. We all know that there are thousands of Haligonians who don't want anything built until every pothole is filled, there are twice as many hospital beds, etc. etc. etc.

A recent survey showed that 60% either totally or mostly agreed that a stadium should be built whereas only 36% felt either mostly or completely that it should not be built ( http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/local/ar...k-survey-on-the-topic-of-hrm-development ). Although I would like to believe in the Mayor's sincerity, I have heard other HRM council members say the same but they always add that a large event would be required. Thus they get both sides of the vote, the supporters of a stadium (the majority) and the opponents who see these politicians as being fiscally responsible. However, you mentioned the FIFA woman's soccer tornament - if Canada gets this, will Halifax be one of the hosting cities?

I think the following can reasonably happen:



Stage 1: Build a 10,000 seater to keep up with Moncton, for SMU football and maybe even an NASL soccer franchise. With some temporary endzone seating CFL exhibition games and Vanier Cups can be hosted.

Step 2: Next time Canada hosts a FIFA or CONCACAF soccer tournament, the stadium gets expanded. The horseshoe configuration is ideal for international soccer tournaments and concerts.

Step 3: When an investor finally shows up, the final expansion takes place for a CFL team.

Absolutely, this is what I would like to see happen. Possibly some of us will have to start a Not For Profit organization to get step 1 going and after that, Halifax will be in a much better position to attract sports events. The only slight difference that I have is in the diagram, after stage 1 and stage 2, expand upwards in stage 3 so that it remains as a horseshoe configuration - this will allow more people for concerts (the band can set up at the open end) and will allow for temporary expansion in order to host the Grey Cup. (the temporary Lion's facility will never host a Grey Cup so it is not a requirement). However, the stadium design should not be a sticking point.

Montreal: The Alouettes finally succeeded in expanding Molson Stadium to 25,000 seats. Molson Stadium is still pretty spartan, but the Als long-term financial health is assured according to the Al`s owner Bob Wettenhall. This is concrete proof that 25,000 seats is enough for a CFL franchise.

Spartan isn't necessarily bad, many US university stadiums are spartan but considered to be beautiful stadiums (Yale Bowl, Rose Bowl ...). I would prefer spartan with lots of landscaping as long as it is a solid structure (i.e. not aluminum bleachers but concrete instead which can last 100 years). However, aluminum benches on concrete stands are not bad, they can later be easily replaced with folding seats.

To sum up: 10 years ago, Canada had never hosted an international soccer tournament. Soccer was still the sport of the future. Nobody had ever constructed a bare bones stadium for CFL use, all "newish" CFL stadiums were 50,000+ seat monsters far too big for Halifax. The only way to get a new stadium built in Canada was for a major international event. CIS football only attracted crowds ranging from the hundreds up to a few thousand. The CFL had never played a neutral site regular season game, nor had the Vanier Cup ever been held outside of Toronto.

10 years ago the only way to get a stadium built in Canada was by hosting something big like the CWG and the only potential long-term use for the stadium was a franchise in the sickly CFL.

Now, all that has changed.

You have my vote - you should run for Mayor.

[brettinhalifax]

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[fenwick16]

This quote was taken from http://worldcupnews24.com/?p=927.

The 2015 event is currently being contested between Canada and Chile.

If Canada does get the FIFA 2015 Women's World Cup, this would be the size of event that would be suited to Halifax (at least some games, which would be distributed across Canada). Halifax has a good reputation for hosting events this size (IIHF World Hockey Championship, CIS tournaments, Canada Games, etc.)

I think that the organizers would require a serious commitment from the provincial and municipal governments to provide funding for a stadium (federal funding would likely be available). I assume the Huskies Stadium wouldn't be considered because of the artificial turf and low capacity. I haven't heard any politician in the Halifax area ever mention the 2015 FIFA Woman's World Cup. Maybe people on this forum should start writing to the Mayor. Also, people should be writing to the Premier and provincial sports officials to let them know that the majority of people want an outdoor stadium (economically priced, built in stages). Otherwise there is a risk that if the topic comes up then the premier might simply state outright that the HRM doesn't need a stadium (I don't know if the Premier is a sports fan).

[Jstaleness]

I don't want to change topic but is there any threads on here where we've discussed the possibility of Halifax Supporting an AHL Hockey Team?

[fenwick16]

Originally Posted by Jstaleness

I don't want to change topic but is there any threads on here where we've discussed the possibility of Halifax Supporting an AHL Hockey Team?

I don't think so, but the AHL was in the Maritimes in the past and did well for a while, but now the major junior hockey league has taken over the market. The Quebec Major Junior Hockey League (QMJHL) is the majors as far as amateur hockey goes, whereas the AHL will always be seen as the minor leagues.

[halifaxboyns]

I know someone brought up Ottawa's Landsdowne stadium in this discussion as an example - I saw on the national the other night that apparently they have an clause in that deal that the City won't support any other stadium proposal. Crazy!

[fenwick16]

Originally Posted by halifaxboyns

I know someone brought up Ottawa's Landsdowne stadium in this discussion as an example - I saw on the national the other night that apparently they have an clause in that deal that the City won't support any other stadium proposal. Crazy!

One proposal was outside of town. They don't want to spend money on a new stadium. Even supporting the renovation of Landsdowne took a lot of debate based on what I have read.

[beyeas]

Here's an article that I thought Fenwick might like, taken from the TSN website

SUITOR: NEW STADIUMS ARE ABOUT MORE THAN JUST THE CFL

-Glen Suitor, TSN

As a resident of the Lower Mainland in Vancouver I am constantly reminded of the tremendously positive impact the 2010 Olympic Games had on this province and our country.

Recently, I asked some kids on the street to what they dreamed of doing when they grew up, and I was amazed at how many said their dream was to represent their country at an Olympics. Their words sounded so sincere. Every athlete's accomplishments first begin with a dream.

Occasionally I get a chance to drive the Sea to Sky Highway to Whistler and drive by the new skiing facilities and infrastructure that has been left behind for every Canadian, as well as any guest to our country, to enjoy for many years to come.

Maybe most importantly, not a day goes by when someone doesn't bring up how patriotic they felt when Alexandre Bilodeau raced down the mountain to the Gold Medal or Sidney Crosby scored that famous, “Golden Goal.”

The Olympics were so much more than a sporting event; they inspired our youth and united our country.

I bring it up because on a somewhat smaller scale, but no less important, there are currently two stadium projects being negotiated in Canada that are so much bigger than the football teams that will play in them.

In Ottawa they are at the goal line on a project that will not only give the city and Ontario a new state of the art stadium, but will create a jewel on the bank of the Rideau Canal at Lansdowne that will make the entire country proud. There have been some contractual issues crop up in the deal, where by an outside businessman voiced some concerns about a clause in the paper work which would give the Ottawa Sports and Entertainment group a monopoly on the building of any new stadium. This has some local politicians sounding a little panicked. Meanwhile the OSEG has said it is not set in stone, there is a reason for it, but it is negotiable, and it can be worked out.

In Hamilton negotiations continue, not on whether or not to build a stadium for the Pan Am games, but where to build it. It seems both sides are getting closer and are optimistic, but this one is a real head-scratcher. The funds have been put aside and agreed upon and local business in the form of the Ti-Cat ownership wants to partner up in the project. It's basically a go, yet it may not happen because the two sides can't agree on where to build it, and apparently there are numerous locations to choose from.

Sports unite our country. Just look at what happened in Vancouver in February.

To those sitting at the negotiation table in both Hamilton and Ottawa, please keep that in mind. This is not just about the return of CFL football to Ottawa or a new facility for the Ti-Cats. It is about creating an environment that inspires the youth of our nation, by building facilities that can bring families together and encourage kids to get active, and be proud of their cities.

Sporting events are a chance to cheer for the home team, which can unite families, and can bring together a city, a province, and eventually a country.

To all the politicians involved: get these projects done. You will not regret the decision. In fact you will watch as facilities like these inspire our youth, generate tourism and revenue for your city, attract major events, and bring our country together, transcending political beliefs or geographical boundaries. If you do, I truly believe you will agree that you did the right thing for your community. Cut through the red tape and improve your city. There are private businessmen putting in hours of their time and millions of their dollars to help, but ultimately it is up to you.

The dreams of our kids are depending on you to do the right thing.

[beyeas]

arg. double post.

[fenwick16]

Thank you for the information beyeas. I completely agree with the article.

I was in Wisconsin for the past couple of days and had a couple of hours free today, so I went for a tour of Lambeau Stadium in Green Bay (home of the Green Bay Packers). It was a great experience; I kept thinking that Halifax doesn't realize what it is missing by not having a stadium.

Here is a picture, I have several others. I had my picture taken to prove that I was there. Although it looks big in the picture and even though this stadium has 72,000 seats (mostly bench style) the stadium bowl was very compact - there wasn't a bad seat in the stadium. Although this recently went through a $290 million dollar renovation, much of the basic bowl is from 1957 - 1965 (bottom 50,000 seats). Lambeau Stadium was built in 1957 for $960,000 with 32,500 bench style seats initially (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambeau_Field). I wish that some of the HRM councillors and Mayor would go to see what a great piece of architecture a stadium can be. Without all the bells and whistles this would still be a great stadium and economical. (just imagine starting with 16,000 seats and gradually expanding it to 32,500 like the Lambeau Stadium would of been back in 1957).

This is a beautiful stadium. It has had a lot of expensive renovations recently, but even without, this would be a great stadium. Thanks to Lee of Green Bay, the tour guide who gave us an amazing experience by explaining the history of the stadium.

[halifaxboyns]

I posted this in the Nova Centre thread, but I'm going to it to this thread as well.

After reading the Metro Centre/WTCC expansion report - it gives some good ideas.

If we were able to do a downtown stadium - this one came up in the Calgary SSP thread on a new stadium. It's well designed to intergrate into the design themes around it - which I think might be the way to think about it for Halifax.

[fenwick16]

Originally Posted by halifaxboyns

I posted this in the Nova Centre thread, but I'm going to it to this thread as well.

After reading the Metro Centre/WTCC expansion report - it gives some good ideas.

If we were able to do a downtown stadium - this one came up in the Calgary SSP thread on a new stadium. It's well designed to intergrate into the design themes around it - which I think might be the way to think about it for Halifax.

Yes it would be good to have it blend in. Are you thinking in terms of an arena (hockey size) or outdoor stadium (for football, soccer, and large concerts). When I think of a stadium, I am thinking in terms of an outdoor football size stadium.

Here is another interesting way to get a stadium to blend in. I got this first one off the internet of the Yale bowl.
(source of image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeshlabotnik/295532328/sizes/m/in/photostream/ )




Harvard Stadium doesn't blend in but it has an interesting exterior:
(source: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Harvard_Stadium%2C_Dudesleeper.jpg )


I think the Harvard Stadium would be a good size and shape for Halifax:
(source: http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pic...tates/massachusetts/boston_harvard.shtml )

[halifaxboyns]

Originally Posted by fenwick16

Yes it would be good to have it blend in. Are you thinking in terms of an arena (hockey size) or outdoor stadium (for football, soccer, and large concerts). When I think of a stadium, I am thinking in terms of an outdoor football size stadium.

Here is another interesting way to get a stadium to blend in. I got this first one off the internet of the Yale bowl.
(source of image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/joeshlabotnik/295532328/sizes/m/in/photostream/ )




Harvard Stadium doesn't blend in but it has an interesting exterior:
(source: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Harvard_Stadium%2C_Dudesleeper.jpg )


I think the Harvard Stadium would be a good size and shape for Halifax:
(source: http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pic...tates/massachusetts/boston_harvard.shtml )

It reminds me of the roman colleseum. If it was an outdoor football stadium, I suspect it would have to be built in land away from the harbour and fog.
My support would be mainly behind an indoor hockey arena so long as it was built to blend in the same style/materials as buildings around it. So in the case of say the Trade Centre site, because many of the highrises are brick - I'd like to see it done similar to the pic I showed.

[fenwick16]

Here is a Harvard-like stadium, the Princeton Stadium which would be a good size for Halifax. The Princeton Stadium has the benches in the enclosed endzone built parallel to the field which makes it more compact than the Harvard Stadium, thus providing better viewing in the endzone. This could be built partly sunken to keep the cost down. This was built in 1997 for $45 million and seats 27,773 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princeton_University_Stadium ). There are many advantages to aluminum bench style seating including lower initial capital cost, higher seating capacity, less visual obstruction and lower ongoing maintenance cost. Disadvantages over folding-seat style are less comfort and less row access width (important in the building code) - however the second is only the case if folding seats automatically fold up when people are not seated (counterbalanced seat design).

A very detailed list of all the dimensions and facts for Princeton Stadium is given here: http://www.princeton.edu/football/pustad.htm . The field length would have to be increased to accommodate Canadian Football, however this could likely be done by removing the seats from the open end (which is better for concerts). By increasing the length of the sideline seats, the final capacity could still be in the 25,000 - 30,000 range. Room could be left in the open end for expansion for special events such as the Grey Cup.

(source: username- visit princeton on flickr.com - http://www.flickr.com/photos/visitprinceton/3788220253/ )


(source: http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pic...tates/new_jersey/princeton_stadium.shtml )

[fenwick16]

Coach hopes to take Canada to World Cup

By GLENN MacDONALD Sports Reporter
Mon. Jul 5 - 4:53 AM

Stephen Hart enjoys watching the FIFA World Cup.

The head coach of Canada’s men’s national soccer team would enjoy it even more if Canada was involved.

The 50-year-old Hart, a Halifax resident, took over as head coach in December. He had served as interim coach since March 2009 after Dale Mitchell was fired for Canada’s weak 0-4-2 record in qualifying for the 2010 World Cup.

Canada has appeared in only one World Cup (1986). They are ranked 63rd in the latest FIFA world rankings, ahead of New Zealand, North Korea and South Africa, all of which had a team in this year’s World Cup.

With the international spectacle heading into its final week, Hart, who moved to Canada from his native Trinidad and Tobago in 1980 to attend Saint Mary’s University, said his goal is to lead Canada back to the world’s most widely viewed sporting event.

Q: How does the national team look at this stage?

A: We are in a process of rebuilding, so to speak. We are trying to increase the roster depth on our national team and we have been looking at quite a few players in our last three games. We’ll continue that trend until the end of 2010.

Q: Do you see Canada playing in the 2014 World Cup in Brazil?

A: Our whole goal is to have a squad prepared and with a complete understanding of each other going into qualification in late 2011. That time is going to rush up on us. We have prioritized what needs to be done. There’s always a possibility that we’ll have a team there. But it all comes down to how well we can compete in the (Confederation of North, Central American and Caribbean Association Football championship).

Q: What would a World Cup appearance mean to the sport in this country?

A: We weren’t at the World Cup before 1986 and we haven’t been there since. I think the whole country would get behind the team. The whole soccer infrastructure would probably grow out of it, hopefully. It would be a very, very healthy situation.

Q: Would we see a trickle-down effect if Canada qualified for the World Cup?

A: It could mean better infrastructure. A lot of young players would have a place to play. The biggest downfall for Canada has been the infrastructure on the professional side. Right now, they are dependent on a U.S. league. We have to take care of that as well as university soccer and senior soccer in each of the provinces. It’s that complete sort of thinking that is needed for our game to grow.

Q: Who do you like in the World Cup?

A: I think the way it’s shaping up, Holland are a very, very difficult team to beat. I don’t think they’re necessarily playing the best soccer but they’re a difficult team to beat and of course we’ve seen the consistency of Germany throughout the tournament.

But I think whichever team wins the Germany-Spain matchup will probably go on to win the World Cup.

How many people knew that the coach of Canada Men's Team is a Halifax resident and went to Saint Mary's University? Maybe he can put in a good word for Halifax hosting some 2015 FIFA Women's games (assuming Canada gets the games). However, Halifax will need a stadium.

Just imagine if Canada could build up its soccer program, then maybe Canada could host the FIFA World Cup sometime in the next 30 years. Just imagine Halifax hosting some FIFA World Cup games with billions of people watching.

This one below might be suitable for international soccer and would be economical to build (it looks good also). This is Princeton's stadium.

(source: http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pic...tates/new_jersey/princeton_stadium.shtml )

[fenwick16]

Pro soccer faces same old hurdles

By CHRIS COCHRANE Sports Reporter
Tue. Jul 6 - 4:53 AM

Soccer is a healthy sport in Nova Scotia these days.

At the minor level, registrations continue to boom under the guidance of Soccer Nova Scotia.

It’s the most popular participation sport in the province for kids. Its importance is being recognized by government, as shown by plans for the new three-field indoor facility in Halifax toward which the provincial government kicked in $3 million, the city $1 million plus land and Ottawa $1 million.

Soccer players dominated the recent Nova Scotia Sport Hall of Fame slate of inductees. The game is strong at the senior and university level as well. And the huge local interest in the World Cup shows that elite soccer has a mass following in the province.

It’s all good.

Well, almost all good. There’s only one thing missing. It’s that semi-pro team at the top of the soccer hierarchy, a team that could provide summer entertainment for soccer fans, positions for the best of the locally developed adult players and a goal for all the thousands of kids playing the game locally.

Semi-pro soccer was tried here once. It was back in 1991 when the Nova Scotia Clippers became a first-year franchise in the Canadian Soccer League. But the franchise lasted only one season before club president and co-owner Stan Brechin had to pull the plug.

With poor attendance at Beazley Field in Dartmouth — the team averaged about 1,500 fans per game and many of those were complimentary tickets — and no new investors on the horizon, the club lost money and folded.

"I don’t believe we’ve seen the end of it," Brechin said in 1992. "I think someone will come out of the woodwork, pick up the pieces and go with it." No one emerged to pick up the pieces. Now, almost two decades later, there’s little talk about bringing pro soccer back, despite all the game has going for it in this market.

Why?

Perhaps it’s that Nova Scotia attitude in regard to sports — just maintain the status quo and don’t take chances — that disregards any sporting opportunities carrying financial risk.

Or perhaps the lack of a modest stadium means any potential investors would have to rely on what most regard as inadequate facilities for semi-pro soccer.

Whatever the reason, George Athanasiou, Soccer Nova Scotia’s executive director, says there is seldom talk about trying it again.

"For the time being, it’s dead, until such time as there’s a proper facility for such a thing," said Athanasiou, one of the three original investors in the Clippers franchise.

Although he concedes infrastructure has improved greatly for his sport at the minor level, thanks to government investment, it’s the lack of a small stadium that dampens private-sector enthusiasm for the project.

"There’s another Canadian Soccer League now, in Ontario and Quebec, and that’s most likely the one we would look at if we had a proper facility," Athanasiou said, adding that the league has approached locals about joining.

"If we had a little stadium, such as the one built in Moncton, perhaps we could go back to the drawing board and see if we could get a semi-pro team down here. A facility certainly is a major obstacle. We could probably find sufficient people to pool money to invest in a pro franchise."

It’s a familiar story in Halifax: another sport limited in its growth because everyone waits for that elusive stadium.

"Nothing has changed since 1991," said Athanasiou. "(But) I also believe, sooner than later, Halifax will have a small stadium."

( [email protected])

Chris Cochrane is a sports columnist with The Chronicle Herald.

Chris Cochrane mentions the lack of a small stadium in Nova Scotia. How about the lowest level of the Princeton Stadium with a sunken bowl and no exterior walls and leave one end open (it would be about 15,000 seats). Then if the Halifax area attracts a CFL team or large sporting event it could be expanded in stages with the upper tier of seats and the exterior walls (and luxury suites). I would guess that the lowest level of seats (no exterior walls and no second level) would likely be about $25 - $30 million dollars. I reposted the Princeton Stadium below (just imagine it without the exterior walls and upper level of seats, which could be completed as a 2nd or 3rd stage).

(source: http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pic...tates/new_jersey/princeton_stadium.shtml )

[MonctonRad]

Is Denis Coderre Fenwick16's New Best Friend?

From Jane Taber's Parliament Hill Blog:

Wooing FIFA. The Canadian team may not have made it to South Africa but reports out of Quebec say there is a move afoot to bring the world’s premier soccer event to Canada.

La Presse says federal efforts to bring the World Cup to this country go back to 2001 and could be relaunched when the current competition is over.

According to the report, Liberal MP Denis Coderre, who was then the minister for sport, conducted months of meetings and exploratory studies and the Canadian Soccer Association had officially informed FIFA that Canada wished to host the World Cup.

The project envisioned using the stadiums that now house Canadian Football League games as well as new stadiums in places like Halifax. The opening and final games would be held in Montreal.

La Presse says it has learned that Mr. Coderre would like to revisit the concept once the current World Cup has ended

On the other hand, soccer experts point out that a country that has little chance of qualifying for the tournament has little chance of hosting it.

Personal note: I heard Coderre being interviewed on this point the other evening on CBC. For FIFA to seriously consider Canada, we as a country would have to have about 10 stadiums capable of seating between 40-50,000 spectators. In addition to speculating about a stadium in Halifax, Coderre also mentioned Moncton by name, suggesting that the IAAF track stadium could be expanded.

What do you think Fenwick?