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Old Posted Jun 20, 2010, 5:56 PM
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I am inclined to agree. In the article it said, that if all goes well, they should be in full construction by late July.

NB liquor said they are planning on negotiating out of the lease with the Super Store. I wonder what will happen with that space? If they manage to negotiate out of the lease I wonder how much impact it will have on the Super Store being that a number of people prefer the 'one stop shopping' experience.
I was surprised that they were actuallly closing that store. In my opinion it is a mistake to close it. Like you say people like having the one stop shopping, plus they will likely have to pay a large penalty for breaking the lease. Im pretty sure that they still have atleast a couple years left in their agreement. It probably wont help the superstore since sobeys in the Fredericton mall has the much larger liquor store attached to it.
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I was surprised that they were actuallly closing that store. In my opinion it is a mistake to close it. Like you say people like having the one stop shopping, plus they will likely have to pay a large penalty for breaking the lease. Im pretty sure that they still have atleast a couple years left in their agreement. It probably wont help the superstore since sobeys in the Fredericton mall has the much larger liquor store attached to it.
I agree, the convenience of 'one stop shopping', especially in the wintertime, may have some people thinking about where they might shop.
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NB liquor said they are planning on negotiating out of the lease with the Super Store. I wonder what will happen with that space? If they manage to negotiate out of the lease I wonder how much impact it will have on the Super Store being that a number of people prefer the 'one stop shopping' experience.
I really don't think it will have that much of an impact. People tend to be pretty brand loyal when it comes to grocery stores.

That said, the liquor store at the Superstore is very convenient, but it's always so busy and they don't have a great selection of products.
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I don't get it either. I'm pretty sure there are cases in Halifax where there's a Sobeys across the street from a Superstore and they both have NSLC stores attached.

NB Liquor still hasn't mastered this whole "convenience" thing.
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Old Posted Jun 21, 2010, 5:10 PM
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Was in by the Costco site at lunch, there is some equipment parked there now. Must be starting very soon since the building permits are all issued.
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Was in by the Costco site at lunch, there is some equipment parked there now. Must be starting very soon since the building permits are all issued.
I didn't notice the equipment but did see several vehicles and personnel at the construction trailer.
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I didn't notice the equipment but did see several vehicles and personnel at the construction trailer.
I guess it was probably a bit after lunch, more like shortly after 2 (took a late lunch today). Noticed on the way home after work it looks like they had been bringing more equipment to the site this afternoon. There were 2 bulldozers there and one large excavator.

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I guess it was probably a bit after lunch, more like shortly after 2 (took a late lunch today). Noticed on the way home after work it looks like they had been bringing more equipment to the site this afternoon. There were 2 bulldozers there and one large excavator.
Yeh....It was about noon hour when I was by there. Approx 8 or so guys outside the construction trailer. Likely waiting for some of the equipment to arrive
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noticed this morning that work has started at the Costco site, quite a bit of activity going on there this morning.

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Lots of projects planned for airport
Published Tuesday June 22nd, 2010
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By STEPHEN LLEWELLYN
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A second storey for the Fredericton International Airport terminal, a rehabilitated runway and new flights to Ontario, New England and the Caribbean are all projects taxiing across David Innes' desk.

"With the increase in traffic that we've had we've got to really do something to expand the size of our terminal," said Innes, president and CEO of the Fredericton International Airport Authority Inc., on Monday.

"We've got to go up and out I think. We have to put a second floor on the terminal area and build it out onto the airfield a little bit."

The airport has applied to the federal Atlantic Gateway program for $30 million which includes $20 million for the terminal expansion.

"We have had a 30 per cent increase in passenger traffic between 2003 and 2009," said Innes.

"This summer we have 92 outbound flights per week and we have 3,650 outbound seats per day. Everything we have ever done in terms of building facilities was to give us capability to do more work."

The airport did a terminal renovation a few years ago but didn't increase the footprint of the building.

"What we extended was the departure lounge," said Innes. "We still have the same number of square feet that we had in 2001.

"Quite frankly we think the traffic can grow here pretty substantially over the next few years."

Innes knows that people love to watch airplanes take off and land and right now that is hard to do at the Fredericton airport.

Currently, there is only one small window facing the runway by the passenger arrival door.

It opens itself up to that kind of (viewing area) possibility," he said, about the proposed expansion.

"We are really tight for space right now as anybody knows."

The other $10 million in the Gateway application would go to rebuild the airport's older runway 15/33 which still has the original wiring and drainage dating back 50 years.

The runway is 1,800 metres or 6,000 feet long.

"It is like building a highway, a long, straight and very wide one," said Innes. "We really have to tear it apart and put it back together again."

He said the airport application is the only Gateway project from the Fredericton area.

"It has been endorsed by the New Brunswick Gateway Council," said Innes. "We would hope when the Gateway projects spool up again that the Fredericton Airport terminal would be part of that funding package."

He said the timing for a big airport project is perfect as the North American economy emerges from the deep recession of the last couple of years.

"Our traffic last month (in May) was nine per cent more than it was in the same month last year," said Innes. "Our traffic is 1.5 per cent over last year cumulative. We are starting to see a rebound."

He said he recently attended a major conference for airlines and airports in San Diego, California and the level of optimism across North America is very good.

"The level of optimism is there like it hasn't been in the past," said Innes. "It is better than it has ever been since I have been in the airport business and that is 2001."

Last week the airport announced a new daily Air Canada Jazz flight to Toronto. Innes said the airport is actively looking for new flights and new airlines.

"We are talking to all (three) Canadian carriers," he said.

Air Canada has a new team in Montreal that is looking in a new direction which would be better for Fredericton, said Innes.

"They are being aggressive in the marketplace and that is a good thing," he said.

Innes said there is also a new executive team at Westjet and Porter Airlines is also looking at expanding.

"Eastern Canada has become a place of interest for all Canadian carriers," he said. "We are talking to U.S. carriers as well."

The airport's wish list includes a business class flight to Ontario, service east to St. John's, Newfoundland and the return of a flight to New England.

Innes said he expects one of those to happen in the next year. "We are working on all of the possibilities and I would hope at least one of them would come to pass," he said.

He declined to hint which one, saying any announcement would come from the airline rather than the airport.

Caribbean winter charter flights from Fredericton have been one of the airports success stories in recent years.

"This year we had three: two to Cuba and one to the Dominican Republic," said Innes.

"We look to increase that by one more next year."

The new destination in the Caribbean is up to the airlines and charter operators, said Innes.

"They are the leaders on that issue," he said. "We just provide them a pretty good market place."

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Motty: Work on aerospace park is expected to start this year
Published Tuesday June 22nd, 2010
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Work is expected to start on the new 500-acre aerospace park at the Fredericton International Airport as soon as this year, says Enterprise Fredericton CEO Doug Motty.

"I would think probably we should see some significant activity there within the next six to eight months for sure," he said Monday.

"We do have a couple of potential tenants for the park now which is what we didn't have a year or so ago. They are very patient. They are just waiting for us to start construction."

The names of those companies are still confidential but they have committed to the park both on the air service side as well as the road side, said Motty.

There has been talk about an aerospace park at the Fredericton International Airport for at least five years.

The planned site for the aerospace park is at the end of the main runway on the CFB Gagetown side of the airport.

"We are sort of at the point now of just trying to put together the funding model which will allow us to build the infrastructure," said Motty.

That includes roads, access ramps to the runways and water and sewer lines, he said.

The projected cost is several million dollars and the park is expecting that money to come from various government programs, said Motty.

"We've put the tenants before the infrastructure," he said. "Some groups have done it the other way around."

He said the park can't tell someone that space will be available in two or three months. "That is just not realistic right now," he said.

The aerospace park is a partnership between Enterprise Fredericton and Fredericton International Airport Authority Inc. and authority president and CEO David Innes said Monday the aerospace park is definitely not on the back burner.

"We think the opportunities are even more than they were here a year ago," he said. "We are looking forward to the development of it."

Innes said the airport authority formed a company with Enterprise Fredericton called ADP Park Inc. and has a board of directors that held their first meeting in May.

"It is going slower than we would like but it is going in the right direction," he said.

"Developing an industrial park is a little bit beyond our means so we have to work fairly carefully with our federal and provincial partners and see if we can get that going."

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Old Posted Jun 22, 2010, 12:14 PM
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As I mentioned in a comment to the Gleaner article, it sounds like they may be considering a Jetway or two for YFC. That would certainly help lure more in I think.

And even without one, having a viewing gallery that you can watch traffic from would be a great addition. The current small window is horrible for plane watching from.
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I am back...I have to be back whenever I read one of these airport comments...they get me going like a yak in heat...

So, I read this article and either the journalist did a poor job or the people at the airport are idiots. Not sure which but I think from previous posts I am going to go with the later.

"We've got to go up and out I think" was the first quote that shocked me...I understand the putting a second floor on an airport part but the "I think" troubles me as an answer. Are you sure? Have you folks thought this out? What are you doing it for? I then read that it is so people can look out the window. Are you kidding me? $30 million so people can look out the window? Maybe you should be a bit more specific here like..."we are adding a bridge for larger planes, a secure waiting area with a brighter feel, and enhanced food and beverage space"...that I can go for. A place to look out the window? This isn't a nursing home and stop wasting my taxes on gateway projects that don't drive growth! Oh but wait, "It has been endorsed by the New Brunswick Gateway Council", so that MUST mean it is a good thing...right???

Speaking of growth...I would expect nothing less than 30% growth between 2003 and 2009 - you have a new flight school and we were at war (still are). The number of scheduled commercial flights are back to where they were at that time if you add Ottawa and take out London and Boston. So, unless you started a war and the flight school personally Innis, please sit down..

They also say they are in talks (like they do every article) with many airline opportunities...yet none seem to be there. Quote: "Innes said there is also a new executive team at Westjet and Porter Airlines is also looking at expanding." That doesn't convince me that you have these people ready for your expanded terminal and they are ready to join your big plan for the future of this airport and its expanded $30 million plane viewing window. It sounds like fluff and it may work for the yocals but not me.

Sorry folks for the rant, but getting really tired of this BS from the old government desk watchers who have nothing better to do but spend money without really doing much planning and calling their "good intentions" the same thing as "mission accomplished" ... demand more!
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Amen to that, Pugsley.

Good intentions are fine, but don't spend millions on a plan unless you've got something concrete behind it. What concerns me is that they were only able to keep the flight to Boston because of a government subsidy. Is that the plan for the future? Seems rather ridiculous when you think about it. Justify an airport expansion because of the flights you're subsidizing to fly there.
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Work on the Costco has begun. Full crew and equipment on site this afternoon
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Amen to that, Pugsley.

Good intentions are fine, but don't spend millions on a plan unless you've got something concrete behind it. What concerns me is that they were only able to keep the flight to Boston because of a government subsidy. Is that the plan for the future? Seems rather ridiculous when you think about it. Justify an airport expansion because of the flights you're subsidizing to fly there.
Not only was Delta brought in on government subsidies but from private companies in the area that contributed to the "travel bank". Too much fine print and a limiting expiration date cost several businesses a lot of money.
I hope this will never be a way to convince people the airport needs direct or more frequent flights again.
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Not only was Delta brought in on government subsidies but from private companies in the area that contributed to the "travel bank". Too much fine print and a limiting expiration date cost several businesses a lot of money.
I hope this will never be a way to convince people the airport needs direct or more frequent flights again.
Yeah, I think that there could be demand, but the prices would need to be more reasonable just to keep people from driving 2.5 hrs to Bangor. I thought the Delta flights were quite pricey (I could be wrong on that though). I highly doubt that Fredericton could complete with Bangor on price, but if it were somewhat reasonable I would think that most people would fly here for convenience, especially business travel.
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Granted I haven't been out there often, but it seems to me from the times I was out there, that YFC is getting near to that tipping point where they do need to expand the terminal (again). The current traffic may not quite warrant it, but they seem to be near that place where if they don't expand, they won't have the facilities and space needed to lure in more groups to expand the traffic to make the expansion worth it. That said, the interview in the Gleaner was awkward and could have been explained better.

IIRC in the Moncton or Saint John thread, someone linked to a Porter Airlines story that said they were looking at YFC as another destination at some point too.
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I have it from an extremely reliable source that Porter Airlines to Freddy is a "done deal". Expect flights to Toronto to "take-off" Spring 2011.

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I have it from an extremely reliable source that Porter Airlines to Freddy is a "done deal". Expect flights to Toronto to "take-off" Spring 2011.
Really? That is not what I heard from my Porter sources here in Toronto...I think it became a rumour when it was part of the text in their IPO, which the since chelved. If they do go, great...but I still think they should come up with a better plan to develop the airport than adding a viewing area to attract the likes of Porter.

I will have a vision entry for the airport later under the "Fredericton Project" Thread I started in a few weeks. Be gentle when I reveal it! LOL
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Really? That is not what I heard from my Porter sources here in Toronto...I think it became a rumour when it was part of the text in their IPO, which the since chelved. If they do go, great...but I still think they should come up with a better plan to develop the airport than adding a viewing area to attract the likes of Porter.

I will have a vision entry for the airport later under the "Fredericton Project" Thread I started in a few weeks. Be gentle when I reveal it! LOL
I consider my source "solid" on this one. Have faith...
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I think their expansion plans may be a bit ambitious here, considering it has taken several years just to have enough tenants for three buildings, another 14 in a similar time frame seems unlikely
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Enterprise Fredericton helping businesses succeed, encouraging entrepreneurs
Published Wednesday June 23rd, 2010
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Enterprise Fredericton is about to open a nursery for new businesses in the capital's Knowledge Park.

It is actually called the business accelerator centre and it will let rookie entrepreneurs concentrate on their ideas and not worry about basic office operations.

"The centre will have eight offices and a small board room," said Enterprise Fredericton CEO Doug Motty Tuesday.

The first tenant is expected to move into the centre in a couple of weeks and the official opening is planned for the middle of July, he said.

Motty said there has been a lot of interest in the centre and it will expand based on demand.

The business accelerator centre is just one of the projects Enterprise Fredericton is working on.

On Tuesday the organization held its regular community advisory forum to explain those projects to the public.

"We usually do it four times a year so that way we can keep the community up to date with what is going on," said Kevin Kilbride, chair of Enterprise Fredericton.

He said the general community probably doesn't know all the services available through Enterprise Fredericton.

"We are kind of dominated here by the government and the university so business does its own thing under the radar," he said.

Kilbride said the goal of Enterprise Fredericton is to help business succeed, encourage new entrepreneurs, bring in immigrant entrepreneurs and grow the economy.

"Activity breeds activity," he said.

Kilbride said the attitude of the business community right now is positive. But there is a large demand for quality employees that is concerning many businesses, he said.

"Business can't grow without them," said Kilbride.

Motty also gave an update on the Fredericton Knowledge Park off Regent Street and its potential for future growth.

He said the park currently has three buildings and a new client is talking about leasing 30,000 square feet ,which would require a fourth building.

"We have plans to have a total of 17 buildings "¦ over the next 10 to 15 years," he said.

Enterprise Fredericton commissioned an economic impact of the Knowledge Park that shows three buildings generate $68 million a year in employment and taxation, said Motty.

The study also shows that 17 buildings would generate $414 million annually, he said.

"The impact of doing an initiative like this is significant," he said.

Enterprise Fredericton recently moved its office to the Knowledge Park.

Motty also said some private developers have asked about constructing a building in the Knowledge Park for clients.

The original development agreement for the park did not allow private buildings, he said.

But a new third party development policy has been reached which would allow it in the future, he said.

"The long-term vision is to have continuing growth based on demand," said Motty.

Enterprise Fredericton board member Mark Wies reported on the organization's attempt to attract new investment and businesses to the capital.

He said Enterprise Fredericton hosted 17 different companies to visit Fredericton last year and it is currently working with nine companies.

Two new companies, ING Engineering and Research in Motion, recently agreed to set up operations here, he said.

Board member Susan Alexander provided an update on the organization's population growth strategy and said it hosted 2,325 individuals last year, 874 of whom were from China.

She said in the past six years nearly 2,500 new residents came to Fredericton along with 814 temporary workers and 1,774 foreign students.

To help businesses and workers find each other Enterprise Fredericton is working on a new online resume and job posting tool that will be free and easy to use, said Alexander.

Enterprise Fredericton also named the Multicultural Association of Fredericton as the winner of its quarterly economic champion award.

"We are delighted to be the recipient of this award," said association president Dr. Baukje Miedema.

She said last year the association provided 610 newcomers to the region with employment services.
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