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Old Posted May 11, 2010, 9:16 PM
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Some news about how things are going in the tunnels under Broad:

Girard Station has these nice renders up:



Platform work there is going apace as well, but I had to run to catch a train (which, as it turned out, was the wrong train) so I didn't get any pics of it.

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Also of note: When I passed by it this afternoon, I noticed that a column at Girard's gotten its tile cladding. It looks rather handsome (but no pics).
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Hammer, thanks for the update
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Old Posted May 13, 2010, 10:36 PM
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Hmm...I've been by there recently. Thanks for the update, dude. It's good to see something in the way of progress involving the subways.
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Bikecab service begins again

It's a simple development that makes complete sense, but like many great ideas in Philadelphia, is long overdue. The city has been notoriously antagonistic towards bike cab companies in the past, going as far as shutting them down a few years ago and forcing them to use temporary permits during the summer months. Thankfully those days are behind us, hopefully for good.

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Starting Saturday, two companies, Chariots of Philly and Velo-Park, will have bicycle taxis available for customers in Center City, Northern Liberties, and near the Art Museum. Prices will be $1 per person, per block, with a $5 minimum. The bikecabs can hold 2-4 people and are powered by a taxi- "driver" who pedals in the front seat. The cabs average speed with passengers is between 10 and 15 miles per hour. Between the two companies, 15 cabs will be available this weekend, with more to hit the streets in the future.

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The renders for the Girard Ave station may be pretty but how about something I can use...like a fucking token vending machine instead of some overpaid bitch who can't break a five?
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^ Hahaha.

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Thu, Jun. 10, 2010

SEPTA stars in Thursday's 'World's Toughest Fixes'

By Paul Nussbaum
Inquirer Staff Writer

You always wanted somebody to fix SEPTA?

Well, wait no longer. Professional fix-it guy Sean Riley tackles the transit agency Thursday at 9 p.m. in an hour-long episode of World's Toughest Fixes on the National Geographic Channel.
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I caught it last night. Very interesting program but did anyone else notice that on the 3D map of the rail system that the Roosevelt Blvd subway and El extension to The Boulevard were both depicted? Like...WTF?
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I caught it last night. Very interesting program but did anyone else notice that on the 3D map of the rail system that the Roosevelt Blvd subway and El extension to The Boulevard were both depicted? Like...WTF?
Dammit , i knew i missed something last night......so how many lies did septa spew?
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Actually the program was very objective. There was virtually nothing at all about SEPTA management beyond how it applies to the men and women who keep the physical plant in good working order.

It did, though, seem to be a big "This is why" sort of deal for SEPTA's constant shutdowns and diversions. Much of the last half hour was spent following the night owl maintainence crews on the El and Subway. Though we often complain about how early the system shuts down they do sometimes need more time than they get to do work (but we can't even get Friday and Saturday nights for an extra two hours, SEPTA?)

In one particular case near the eastern portal on The El, a section of track had suffered heat damage and was pitted and warped - the main ingredient for a derailment and it took a while to complete the repair.
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Hey, Megabus is making Philadelphia its second hub in the Northeast. Now we can go straight to D.C. for a dollar.

Company offering $1 bus trips adds Philly, Harrisburg to destinations.
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Well, SEPTA finally went and did it. Pattison Station will soon be known as AT&T Station.

Heading to game? Stop at AT&T Station.
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I would have to think this terrible marketing on AT&T's part. I can't think of a more disgusting place to sponsor than a SEPTA subway station. Next thing you know AT&T is going to sponsor Dilworth Plaza.

Maybe they have a plan on cleaning it up?
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If you all have been following the Denver Union Station and FasTracks thread in here, you will have noticed in the last couple days the announcement that two more rail lines are now under contract to be built. They will be EMU lines and they will use a variation of the new Silverliner V's going into service in Philadelphia.

So anyway, the reason I'm posting this here, is because I'm curious what everyone thinks of the Silverliner V's. Do you like them? Will they serve Denver well? The line from downtown Denver Union Station to Denver International Airport will begin construction later this summer. Do you think these Silverliner V's will be good for an airport line, where a combination of luggage space and plenty of seating will be needed? How fast do these Silverliner V's cruise at?

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So anyway, the reason I'm posting this here, is because I'm curious what everyone thinks of the Silverliner V's. Do you like them? Will they serve Denver well? The line from downtown Denver Union Station to Denver International Airport will begin construction later this summer. Do you think these Silverliner V's will be good for an airport line, where a combination of luggage space and plenty of seating will be needed? How fast do these Silverliner V's cruise at?
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The Silverliner V's are still being tested, none have actually entered service.
I suggest reading the Septa forum's Silverliner V thread at a different website.
http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=60491
And a recent YouTube video
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These cars are probably rated to go at least FRA Class 4 track speeds, at least 80 mph. How fast they can actually go in the Denver area will depend upon the condition of the tracks they will run on. As you can see in the video, these rail cars have overhead racks that can be used for luggage.
There's room for 2 by 2 or 2 by 3 seating, depending upon what RTD wants. Hyundai-Rotetm based the design upon an existing Septa subway (heavy rail) railcar, modifying the design for FRA compliant EMU commuter rail (using an overhead catenary vs third rail for power and beefing up the structure).

So, basically these cars are basically subway cars modified for commuter rail service. I believe they will suite the Denver area well.

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I toured a test car last year and the design is essentially that of a modified M4 car for the El.
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I kinda think the Silverliner V's are fugly, and focus too much on high platform boarding which is not very widespread on the SEPTA system.

As far as the world's toughest fixes go, that'd be the attitude of the Token booth girls at Frankford TC.
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There have been two ideas rotating through my head so I wanted to share them here and see what you folks thought:

A) The alignment for the Waterfront Light Rail.

Since virtually the whole of Center City falls within PATCO's study area for expanding transit options, I figured why not kill two birds with one stone.



Since many agree that the alignment along Market Street is disruptive and redundant, I figured why not put that alignment on Arch Street until LOVE Park and then along The Parkway to 20th or 21st Street and then along the City Branch tunnel to at least the Art Museum. A transit tunnel is expensive, of course, so suppose that option were to operate WB on Arch and EB on Race?

This is, of course, pretending the resources to do this are available. The problems with the Market Street routing are dealt with, a new transit option is opened on The Parkway and, as a side benefit, this does travel to or near several tourist corridors.

B) 15th/JFK Bus station

The alignment of the major bus stop at 15th/JFK in front of the MSB has always bothered me. There is no "direct" access to the stop from the SEPTA concourse underground, the station can be disruptive for traffic and requires crossing a busy intersection to access from the west and south.

I've wondered if a bus station, exclusive for buses with access to the concouse, would be a sensible solution. The layout would be similar to bus stands at Olney Terminal, for instance, which have stairs to access the subway station below.

I've drawn the current alignment and what I've envisioned:

This is the current alignment. The X's denote direct access to either subway station fare lines or regularly used portions of the underground concourse. Circled X's denote access to relatively unused/indirectly accessed portions of the concourse.



This denotes a new alignment. The island would double the current capacity of the curbside station by allowing two buses to load simultaneously, reducing dwell time (some buses load on the green side, some on the red - ignore my note there). The yellow dots denote stairs/elevator to the concourse. Improved/altered signage and striping could ensure drivers are in the proper lane for making turns from Broad Street.



Several cities, such as Cleveland, have a similar set-up for their major city bus stops/terminals downtown. As 15th/JFK is most likely the busiest stop downtown as well as a major transfer point, I thought this idea made some sense, particularly if it employs modern shelters with message boards.

Any issues that I'm neglecting here? These are simply thoughts on paper.
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I toured a test car last year and the design is essentially that of a modified M4 car for the El.
If these are modified standard guage subway cars, why not have them built with both the third rail and the overhead wires? Is there anything that would prevent linking the Regional Rail lines to the Broad Street subway? There is a connection at Fern Rock Station, although some construction would be needed to make it usable. This way those living in the Northern suburbs could take one train ride directly to Pattison, er uh, AT&T station for games. Also, when wire problems occur south of Fern Rock station in the city, the trains can simply divert to the subway lines. Has Septa ever thought about this before?
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VZ, this sounds like a good idea, but can you map out that center island bus stop a little more? Although the street is very wide, a bus strip would take up an awful lot of space in the middle of the street. And since the bus doors are on the right side of the bus, bus patrons would still need to cross a lane of traffic to get to the island bus stop. And with the sheer number of people that wait at that stop, how big would the island be? I do agree that this bus stop could use some improvement.

I wish the MSB building could just be torn down altogether. Create a bus station for both Septa, NJT and Greyhound on the ground floors. (I'm thinking multi-level station a la Port Authority, 42nd street, NYC) and and office building on the floors above. But that's a dream.

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There have been two ideas rotating through my head so I wanted to share them here and see what you folks thought:

A) The alignment for the Waterfront Light Rail.

Since virtually the whole of Center City falls within PATCO's study area for expanding transit options, I figured why not kill two birds with one stone.



Since many agree that the alignment along Market Street is disruptive and redundant, I figured why not put that alignment on Arch Street until LOVE Park and then along The Parkway to 20th or 21st Street and then along the City Branch tunnel to at least the Art Museum. A transit tunnel is expensive, of course, so suppose that option were to operate WB on Arch and EB on Race?

This is, of course, pretending the resources to do this are available. The problems with the Market Street routing are dealt with, a new transit option is opened on The Parkway and, as a side benefit, this does travel to or near several tourist corridors.

B) 15th/JFK Bus station

The alignment of the major bus stop at 15th/JFK in front of the MSB has always bothered me. There is no "direct" access to the stop from the SEPTA concourse underground, the station can be disruptive for traffic and requires crossing a busy intersection to access from the west and south.

I've wondered if a bus station, exclusive for buses with access to the concouse, would be a sensible solution. The layout would be similar to bus stands at Olney Terminal, for instance, which have stairs to access the subway station below.

I've drawn the current alignment and what I've envisioned:

This is the current alignment. The X's denote direct access to either subway station fare lines or regularly used portions of the underground concourse. Circled X's denote access to relatively unused/indirectly accessed portions of the concourse.



This denotes a new alignment. The island would double the current capacity of the curbside station by allowing two buses to load simultaneously, reducing dwell time (some buses load on the green side, some on the red - ignore my note there). The yellow dots denote stairs/elevator to the concourse. Improved/altered signage and striping could ensure drivers are in the proper lane for making turns from Broad Street.



Several cities, such as Cleveland, have a similar set-up for their major city bus stops/terminals downtown. As 15th/JFK is most likely the busiest stop downtown as well as a major transfer point, I thought this idea made some sense, particularly if it employs modern shelters with message boards.

Any issues that I'm neglecting here? These are simply thoughts on paper.
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