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Old Posted Mar 13, 2010, 10:46 PM
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I don't think we have direct flights to Frankfurt or Paris - unless they have been added in the last 3 months or so. You can fly direct to Frankfurt on Condor I believe, but only from May - October, and it maybe 3 times per week at most (maybe only once). FlyGlobeSpan used to fly direct to Glasgow from Halifax, but they went Bankrupt in December 2009.

If you really do know of a direct flight from Halifax to Paris, please share! because as far as I know it doesn't currently exist - all AC currently fly via Montreal.
The flight to Paris isnt on Air Canada, so it may be why its not known of too much. Here is a list of the international destinations (outisde the carribean) that Halifax currently services: http://www.hiaa.ca/default.asp?mn=70.1.201.203

You can also find the information on Canadian, US, and Carribean flights there. The service to Paris isnt very frequent, but it exists.

edit: Oh, I forgot, Helsinki is a destination too

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Old Posted Mar 14, 2010, 10:19 AM
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The flight to Paris isnt on Air Canada, so it may be why its not known of too much. Here is a list of the international destinations (outisde the carribean) that Halifax currently services: http://www.hiaa.ca/default.asp?mn=70.1.201.203

You can also find the information on Canadian, US, and Carribean flights there. The service to Paris isnt very frequent, but it exists.

edit: Oh, I forgot, Helsinki is a destination too
These lists can kind of be misleading. Take for example Helsinki. Halifax is only a fuel stop for FinnAir flight (not sure of the #) which touches down, gasses up and continues on it's way to Cancun or Miami. Nobody exits the plane and you can't buy a ticket to fly on FinnAir from Halifax to Helsinki.

I'd love to see more frequency and different routes to Europe but the reality of it is that the passenger numbers just aren't there. Despite this Halifax has quite a large quantity of destinations served considering it's relatively small size. As far as being a hub for Europe, not likely now or ever for that matter.
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2010, 6:04 PM
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Actually RyanNS - I don't agree with you on the Europe theory.

Halifax's location is perfect on the eastern great circle route - there are 2 great circle routes, one for Europe and one for Asia. Halifax is the last major airport on the great circle to Europe - one could argue about Gander or St. John's but when I did a study on them in university; they didn't have the capacity of infrastructure to support a major hub.

I don't think it would happen right away, but if the population of Halifax were to grow - I could see it happening at some point down the road. I maybe 50 when it happens (so 18 years lol), but it could happen. I'd estimate HRM's population is over 400,000 now and has been growing around 2 to 3% a year.

Certainly the addition of US airways helps with the idea that the Star Alliance could focus here - but AC's decision to close the flight attendant base wasn't helpful.

It will all come down to economic base, population and capacity at the airport. Having a US preclearance is great to build up US flights, what we need to focus on is getting more European destinations. If we could land Lufthansa from Frankfurt and BA from London - then you'll see the european demand grow - same with KLM to Amsterdam.

Also - if oil goes above $100 a barrel; off shore oil and gas development will spur economic growth - which 'should' lead to rising income levels, more investment, population growth etc.

Just a guess tho.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2010, 10:18 PM
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Airport wants buffer zone
Facility seeks development restriction to stave off possible noise complaints
By CHRIS LAMBIE Business Editor
Tue. Jan 12 - 4:46 AM

HALIFAX Stanfield International Airport wants to limit future development in an airplane-shaped tract of land surrounding the facility to stave off noise complaints from future neighbours.

The proposed restrictions around the airport, which would affect a piece of land more than 15 kilometres long and over 10 kilometres wide, will be discussed today at a Halifax regional council meeting.

"We operate 24-7 and we don’t have any noise restrictions," Peter Spurway, a Halifax International Airport Authority spokesman, said Monday.

"This would allow us to maintain that status, which is obviously important to us in the long run so that we will continue to have an uninhibited 24-7 operation."

In Vancouver and Montreal, development crept up to airports that once appeared to be on the edge of town, Mr. Spurway said.

"Before you know it, there’s a petition before a council to impose restrictions on the airport in order to meet the demands of the new property owners," he said.

The proposal, outlined in a municipal staff report, would limit new development where the noise level is forecasted to produce "sporadic to repeated individual complaints" and "group action is possible."

It wouldn’t impact existing developments or new developments on existing lots, said the report.

"Furthermore, uses that are not characterized as being noise-sensitive and that are currently allowed under the existing zoning will continue to be permitted," said the report.

"The greatest impact of the amendments would therefore be upon the establishment of new residential subdivision development."

The municipality is trying to avoid a situation where a developer amasses land around the airport and builds a subdivision, said Richard Harvey, a senior municipal planner.

"Then people move in and you have an instant compatibility issue," Mr. Harvey said Monday in an interview.

If council gives the go-ahead, staffers will hold a public meeting about the plan as soon as early next month, he said.

"No decision’s been made on whether to approve something or not," Mr. Harvey said.

Coun. Steve Streatch (Eastern Shore-Musquodoboit Valley) is opposed to the plan to limit development near the airport.

"It affects a lot of people there and I’ve got concerns," Mr. Streatch said.

"This involves communities around the Oldham area and the Goffs area and the Guysborough Road there, and over into the area of the Big Stop in Enfield and around Ledwidge Lumber. There’s a lot of land there that is privately owned and I know there will be concerns about having limitations put on it."

The proposed limitations would "infringe a bit on those people’s rights," he said.

"The noise, really, quite frankly, has never been an issue, except during the time of the air show. There were some concerns then; there was some pretty low-flying, high-powered machines there. But (other than that), I have never in 11 years had a noise complaint from that area.

"People know that they’re close to the airport and they know what to expect. So I think this is a little presumptuous, quite frankly, of the airport authority to be assuming that this may be as big an issue as some think it is."

Ledwidge Lumber Co. owns thousands of acres of land bordering the airport, said company spokeswoman Cassie Turple.

Most of it is used for forestry, but the company also sells lots in the area for residential purposes, she said.

"That seems kind of silly to me, just because I would think you would understand that you’re obviously going to have noise issues if you’re going to build your house next to an airport," Ms. Turple said of the proposed restrictions.


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The Calgary Airport (and I believe the Edmonton Airport) have an airport vicitinity protection regulation that is part of the Municipal Government Act - so it sets out limitations on what development can occur at the various noise contour locations. So as the noise exposure gets higher - things like residential is restricted. There is actually a community in the south, along the departure route of the long runway where the NEF contour makes a dramatic bend - because of that bend residential uses are restricted - so the road follows the bend.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2010, 3:32 AM
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Actually RyanNS - I don't agree with you on the Europe theory.

Halifax's location is perfect on the eastern great circle route - there are 2 great circle routes, one for Europe and one for Asia. Halifax is the last major airport on the great circle to Europe - one could argue about Gander or St. John's but when I did a study on them in university; they didn't have the capacity of infrastructure to support a major hub.

I don't think it would happen right away, but if the population of Halifax were to grow - I could see it happening at some point down the road. I maybe 50 when it happens (so 18 years lol), but it could happen. I'd estimate HRM's population is over 400,000 now and has been growing around 2 to 3% a year.

Certainly the addition of US airways helps with the idea that the Star Alliance could focus here - but AC's decision to close the flight attendant base wasn't helpful.

It will all come down to economic base, population and capacity at the airport. Having a US preclearance is great to build up US flights, what we need to focus on is getting more European destinations. If we could land Lufthansa from Frankfurt and BA from London - then you'll see the european demand grow - same with KLM to Amsterdam.

Also - if oil goes above $100 a barrel; off shore oil and gas development will spur economic growth - which 'should' lead to rising income levels, more investment, population growth etc.

Just a guess tho.
I'm not going to lie, I hardly have a firm grasp on airline economics so anything I do say is clearly speculation on my part.

From my understanding, there still aren't the passenger numbers coming out of Halifax, or Atlantic Canada for that matter, to operate high frequency flights from Halifax to Europe. If you look at AC's sevice to London Heathrow it drops to once per week during the winter. If BA or anyone else for that matter thought they could step in and pick up the slack, they would have by now. The fact of the matter is there is no slack to pick up. If you look at cities of comparable size in North America, Halifax already is leaps and bounds ahead of them in service to Europe.

I'd love to see Halifax as a major airline hub but can't see it happening unless like you said, the economy grows and population grows. Also I don't imagine Halifax gets a great deal of business travel from Europe (i could be way off on this) which hurts as this is where airlines make a good deal of money. Maybe with new coroporations setting up in Halifax with the growing oil and gas industry this can change.

Here's to hoping for increased service tho!

I'd actually like to see someone step in and fill the void left by AC when they abandoned their St. John's - Heathrow route. But I think it shows how unprofitable it was if AC still expects passengers to fly to Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa or Toronto before making the trip across the Atlantic. In some cases that would mean going from what was a 4.5 hour, direct, non stop flight to a 2.5-3 hour flight to central Canada and switch planes for a 6 plus hour flight to Heathrow.


They actually used to operate it on a A319 on the St. John's - Heathrow route. I'm not sure if you're familiar with commercial aircraft but this was a pretty amazing feat considering the size of a A319. It really shows how close geographically Atlantic Canada is to Europe. I'm starting to get way off topic here now, but yea, I'd love to see more service from Halifax/Atlantic Canada to Europe, just don't see it as very likely anytime soon.

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Old Posted Mar 26, 2010, 3:58 AM
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For fun here is a comparison of comparably sized North American cities and their service to Europe:

Quebec City

Seasonal service to Bordeaux, Nantes, Paris and Marseille.

London, On

No European service

Windsor, On

No European service

Winnipeg

Direct service begging in June to Reykjavik, Iceland with connections to Copenhagen and Gatwick.

Saskatoon

No European service

Regina

No European service

Victoria

No European service

Hartford, CT

No European service

Portland, ME

No European service

Providence, RI

No European service

Charlotte, NC

Service to London Gatwick, Munich, Paris


Granted many of these cities are within driving distance to much larger locales.

Now for Halifax. Direct, non-stop service to:

London Heathrow, London Gatwick, Reykjavik, Frankfurt, Paris, and St. Pierre and Miquelon (only a 1 hour flight but hey it's still Europe!)
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2010, 4:02 AM
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I don't know if it has been mentioned yet but Porter Airlines is startiing a St. John's - Halifax - Montreal service that will run 4 times daily in the summer and 3 times weekly in the winter.

I think I read its planned to start in June.

EDIT: Found the article;

Porter starts Montreal-Halifax run
Service begins June 25 with two daily round trips
By CHRIS LAMBIE Business Editor
Thu. Mar 25 - 4:54 AM

If you’re looking to fly between Halifax and Montreal in leather seats while sipping free drinks and making idle chit-chat with flight attendants in retro pillbox hats, Porter Airlines has just the ticket.

It just announced non-stop service between the two cities, with connecting flights to St. John’s, N.L., via Halifax. The service starts June 25, with two daily round trips.

"The whole experience that we try to promote is one of refinement and we work pretty hard at designing an overall travel experience that moves in the direction of restoring dignity to air travellers," Robert Deluce, the company’s president, said Wednesday.

The Montreal-Halifax market is "significantly bigger" than the Ottawa-Halifax market, where Porter now has five flights a day, Deluce said.

"So I think it’s a pretty safe bet that the Montreal-Halifax route ought to be equally as strong."

The service will be scaled back after Labour Day to four weekly round trips for the winter.

"Both of those offerings — the year-round service and the over-winter service — will probably grow in time as we develop that route," he said. "Halifax and Montreal are both significant destinations for us."

One-way fares for the Montreal-Halifax flights will start at $129, plus fees and taxes.

"Typically, we find that when we go in, even without us changing pricing, most of our competitors react to our coming in there and the consumer is the winner," Deluce said.

By late April, Porter will have a fleet of 20 Bombardier Q400 turboprop aircraft.

"It’s a modern, fuel-efficient aircraft and one that thrives on some of these higher fuel prices," he said. "With a 30 to 40 per cent better fuel burn than some of the typical or comparable regional and narrow-bodied jets, that really does give us quite a significant advantage."

Porter is based on Toronto Island, where it has built a 150,000-square-foot terminal. The airline now flies out of Halifax year-round.

"Halifax is Porter’s fourth-busiest market by number of flights," Deluce said. "We will be up to, with this schedule change, 22 daily arrivals and departures. And Halifax has also been our busiest destination, as measured by load factor, since we first introduced service to Halifax in 2007. We’ve often (had), particularly over the summer months, load factors that ran well over the 90 per cent level."

Porter flies to Boston, New York, Chicago and Myrtle Beach, S.C., from Toronto and Deluce hopes to expand its Atlantic service south of the border.

By next month, Porter will be flying into Boston five times a day out of Toronto, Deluce said.

"That’s been our fastest-growing U.S. destination."

But it’s too early to say if the airline will add a service between Halifax and Boston, he said.


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I've never flown Porter but with the offer of free drinks I'd be inclined to take a slower, louder Dash-8 over a jet!
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I've never flown Porter but with the offer of free drinks I'd be inclined to take a slower, louder Dash-8 over a jet!
Porter flies Bombardier Q-400s that have special noise and vibration reduction technology - something to do with frequency sensors and speakers... not sure I totally understand, but I will say that I've flown Porter before, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.
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I'd actually like to see someone step in and fill the void left by AC when they abandoned their St. John's - Heathrow route.
Someone will: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2009/12/17/nl-flights-london-171209.html
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I love Porter, last few times I've flown I used them. Yeah it is louder inside, and there is a bit more vibration, but it's really not bad. Plus I think their service is awesome.

So, does this mean Porter is still offering the St. John's-Halifax-Ottawa-Toronto run?
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Porter flies Bombardier Q-400s that have special noise and vibration reduction technology - something to do with frequency sensors and speakers... not sure I totally understand, but I will say that I've flown Porter before, and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.
Sounds like they are using active noise control (opposite sound waves to those being generated by the plane): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_noise_control
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They actually used to operate it on a A319 on the St. John's - Heathrow route. I'm not sure if you're familiar with commercial aircraft but this was a pretty amazing feat considering the size of a A319. It really shows how close geographically Atlantic Canada is to Europe. I'm starting to get way off topic here now, but yea, I'd love to see more service from Halifax/Atlantic Canada to Europe, just don't see it as very likely anytime soon.
I'm not surprised - the geography is rather close; which is why often cities at the end of the great circle route to Europe or Asia are better positioned - since they'd be the first places aircraft would stop on the way back to North America.

Seattle and Vancouver are excellent examples of that theory.

I'm not surprised about the A319 - they could probably do it from Halifax; or an extended range 737. Planning routes to europe requires such a huge number of factors to be met - mainly economic (GDP, $ per family, disposable income, employment levels (type, level of unemployment)). It's staggering what goes into thinking about these things.

I think once Halifax reaches the 500,000 mark and if the economic power of families or people in general improve, you'll see more airlines look at YHZ.
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For fun here is a comparison of comparably sized North American cities and their service to Europe:


Charlotte, NC

Service to London Gatwick, Munich, Paris


Granted many of these cities are within driving distance to much larger locales.

Now for Halifax. Direct, non-stop service to:

London Heathrow, London Gatwick, Reykjavik, Frankfurt, Paris, and St. Pierre and Miquelon (only a 1 hour flight but hey it's still Europe!)
US Airways has a hub in Charlotte - so they have those routes to Europe. They also have a hub in Philadelphia - which will be where they fly from to YHZ when they start in June.
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US Airways begins Service...

"US Airways starts Philadelphia service


Fri. May 28 - 4:54 AM
Halifax has a new air connection with Philadelphia.

The Halifax International Airport Authority said Thursday its new airline partner, US Airways, will make its inaugural landing in Halifax from the American city at 12:45 p.m. on June 1.

The new, year-round service will operate three times daily and is US Airways’ first service to Halifax.

Nova Scotia Premier Darrell Dexter is scheduled to attend and bring greetings from the province. U.S. consul general for Atlantic Canada, Anton Smith, is also scheduled to attend.

Airport authority fire trucks will greet the aircraft with a traditional water canon salute.

"Philadelphia is a major hub for US Airways and can provide links to a wide variety of locations," said authority spokeswoman Ashley Barnes."

From the Chronicle Herald website.

Good start - now lets see the service levels increase. Would be great if this became 3x a day with an Embrarer 170 or even an A319. The same is true with United's services from New York (former Continental), Washington (United) and Chicago (United). I'd love to see these get boosted to an Airbus A319/320 - would add quite a bit of seats. Not sure what they will do with the Newark service from Continental though. It had been using Embrarer regional jets (and sometimes Boeing 737's); but for the past while it's been regional jets. Hopefully they'll reduce the freeqency but up the capacity.
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Fri. May 28 - 4:54 AM
Halifax has a new air connection with Philadelphia.

The Halifax International Airport Authority said Thursday its new airline partner, US Airways, will make its inaugural landing in Halifax from the American city at 12:45 p.m. on June 1.

The new, year-round service will operate three times daily and is US Airways’ first service to Halifax.

Nova Scotia Premier Darrell Dexter is scheduled to attend and bring greetings from the province. U.S. consul general for Atlantic Canada, Anton Smith, is also scheduled to attend.

Airport authority fire trucks will greet the aircraft with a traditional water canon salute.

"Philadelphia is a major hub for US Airways and can provide links to a wide variety of locations," said authority spokeswoman Ashley Barnes."

From the Chronicle Herald website.

Good start - now lets see the service levels increase. Would be great if this became 3x a day with an Embrarer 170 or even an A319. The same is true with United's services from New York (former Continental), Washington (United) and Chicago (United). I'd love to see these get boosted to an Airbus A319/320 - would add quite a bit of seats. Not sure what they will do with the Newark service from Continental though. It had been using Embrarer regional jets (and sometimes Boeing 737's); but for the past while it's been regional jets. Hopefully they'll reduce the freeqency but up the capacity.
Has Continentals YHZ-EWR route ceased to operate?
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