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Old Posted Apr 26, 2010, 10:42 PM
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Well when one is taking a bus between the two sectors of the Greater Vancouver region arguably worst serviced by transit, it is no surprise that the ridership is small.

Most people going between Maple Ridge and Pitt Meadows to Surrey and Langley are going to drive, and a good chunk of it will be commercial and industrial traffic (as I have seen)

Still, the bridge is built to last 50 years plus, and many on here always argue to build for the future, and the second something is built beyond its current capacity need for the first year everyone is now suggesting flop and boondoggle. It takes time for two regions recently opened up to each other to form stronger business and commuting patterns.

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Well when one is taking a bus between the two sectors of the Greater Vancouver region arguably worst serviced by transit, it is no surprise that the ridership is small.

Most people going between Maple Ridge and Pitt Meadows to Surrey and Langley are going to drive, and a good chunk of it will be commercial and industrial traffic (as I have seen)

Still, the bridge is built to last 50 years plus, and many on here always argue to build for the future, and the second something is built beyond its current capacity need for the first year everyone is now suggesting flop and boondoggle. It takes time for two regions recently opened up to each other to form stronger business and commuting patterns.

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Well said

It is as if people expect others to suddenly change there commute patterns when a new way of getting around is built. Whether that be a new bridge or a new transit line.

I'm sure when the Port Mann was first built. It was under used and people were probably bitching about the fact that why did we spend on this money on this new bridge when hardly anyone is using it.
     
     
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It's not like people pick up and move their homes on opening day of a bridge. For a long time going from Maple Ridge to Langley was the worst Commute imaginable. I doubt there are many people who decided on that commute willingly. Now that it's actually a very short commute, people with stable jobs in Langley/Surrey can seriously look at homes in Maple Ridge (and vice versa). People in Maple Ridge/Pitt Meadows probably have the best commuting options out of all the suburbs (2 new bridges and the WCE). It's made living easier for those who already do that. I'm sure up until the 60's it was a bad idea to live in Surrey and work downtown, now look.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2010, 9:25 AM
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It's not like people pick up and move their homes on opening day of a bridge. For a long time going from Maple Ridge to Langley was the worst Commute imaginable. I doubt there are many people who decided on that commute willingly. Now that it's actually a very short commute, people with stable jobs in Langley/Surrey can seriously look at homes in Maple Ridge (and vice versa). People in Maple Ridge/Pitt Meadows probably have the best commuting options out of all the suburbs (2 new bridges and the WCE). It's made living easier for those who already do that. I'm sure up until the 60's it was a bad idea to live in Surrey and work downtown, now look.
My brother lives on the far east end of Maple Ridge and works right by the Portmann Bridge. What he has found with the opening of the GEB and the new PRB. Is the Mary Hill is a quick and easy and no problems until Harris Road and it really starts to slow down and then once you get past the GEB. It really slows down. In fact his commute isn't really any faster. Its that where before the Mary Hill and the PRB was the bottle neck it is now the Lougheed east of GEB.
     
     
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Old Posted Apr 27, 2010, 9:31 AM
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It's not like people pick up and move their homes on opening day of a bridge. For a long time going from Maple Ridge to Langley was the worst Commute imaginable. I doubt there are many people who decided on that commute willingly. Now that it's actually a very short commute, people with stable jobs in Langley/Surrey can seriously look at homes in Maple Ridge (and vice versa). People in Maple Ridge/Pitt Meadows probably have the best commuting options out of all the suburbs (2 new bridges and the WCE). It's made living easier for those who already do that. I'm sure up until the 60's it was a bad idea to live in Surrey and work downtown, now look.
You don't even know! The new Pitt River bridge has made commuting to the west so much easier / faster! No more idling for 30 minutes during counterflow or the openings of the bridge!

The Golden Ears bridge has amazingly opened up south of the Fraser. It has really helped my business in filming weddings in the summer, especially since many of my clients seem to live in Langley / Surrey. No more waiting 45 minutes in a ferry line up (though I do miss the ferry for the bike trips I would take over to Fort Langely), and no more driving 30 to 40 km out of the way via the Port Mann or Mission Bridge.

Then, when I have some of my part time office work downtown I can use the park and ride at Maple Meadows station (thats right anti park and ride people on this forum, I use the evil park and ride) and take the WCE and be downtown in 45 minutes. Trust me, the day that WCE service is expanded to weekends, both directions and mid day / late evening can not come soon enough for those living in Maple Ridge.

Last but not least, the Evergreen line extension will also be welcomed by those in Maple Ridge for it will give us easier access to the skytrain network (and if WCE service is expanded actually make use of the Coquitlam hub. A park and ride at the Coquitlam hub would also be wise since they seem so unwilling to build one at Braid to give those from Maple Ridge, Poco and Pitt Meadows a viable transit option to downtown, Burnaby and Richmond during non WCE times).
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My brother lives on the far east end of Maple Ridge and works right by the Portmann Bridge. What he has found with the opening of the GEB and the new PRB. Is the Mary Hill is a quick and easy and no problems until Harris Road and it really starts to slow down and then once you get past the GEB. It really slows down. In fact his commute isn't really any faster. Its that where before the Mary Hill and the PRB was the bottle neck it is now the Lougheed east of GEB.
Lougheed east of the GEB has been slow for about 15 years now. I have lived my entire life (except for short periods in Metrotown and Japan) in Maple Ridge and there has been no noticeable difference in the traffic clog east of the GEB since it opened. That area has been a bottle neck for a long time, hence I usually avoid it via Dewdney Trunk, GEW+Old Dewdney Trunk or the roads along the river. Why doesn't he try one of those 3 alternative routes? They have their own little clogs that have existed for about 10 years now at some of the 4 way stops but they are far better.
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Well said
I'm sure when the Port Mann was first built. It was under used and people were probably bitching about the fact that why did we spend on this money on this new bridge when hardly anyone is using it.
You are absolutely right; This was happening! I remember talking with my bosses father (probably in his 80's now), a few years back about transportation improvements in the region, and he was telling me that when they built the Port Mann Bridge, people didn't know why they needed a 4-lane bridge at Port Mann. Surrey as we know it today was all agriculture, and long-distance commuting was basically non-existant. The "far" suburbs were Port Moody / Coquitlam.

Like I said, add some more houses, big box, and industrial parks and there will be plenty of traffic going across that bridge in no time. I don't think this will be a problem since office-space growth within the regional town centres has been virtually non-existant over the past 10 years (with a few exceptions).

The express Port-Mann Bus will be used considerably more than the 595 service.
     
     
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You what's been a real flop? The 595 express route that connects Langley to Maple Ridge. Nobody ever rides that thing. Maybe five people max. The idea that people would take the bus to avoid the toll has been totally proven false.
The 595s that connect with West Coast Express are actually quite busy. The rest of the day it's pretty quiet though.
     
     
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The 595s that connect with West Coast Express are actually quite busy. The rest of the day it's pretty quiet though.
And I imagine that once Gateway is done and the Rapid Bus and Park and ride is in place at 200th there, and Evergreen Line connects with WCE, that driving to the Park and Ride right on the freeway then taking an express shuttle to WCE will become even more popular.
     
     
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A little Evergreen update.

Since I was at the Cape Horn Interchange project meeting it also gave me a chance to ask some reps from Coquitlam about the Evergreen Line.

They told me that land acquisition is currently happening as is detailed design, and we should not fear this project being stalled anymore.

They also told me that they are actively perusing for the Lincoln station with the province and indeed have been talking with the owners of Coquitlam Centre mall and other local entities about funding They said at the very least the line will be built to accomodate a future station in that location (but obviously they would rather have it built for opening day).
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Visited the Evergreen office last Friday, asked about the status of the project, rep said that they're committed to completing the project. Plus, she mentioned that sometime in the late summer/fall that they'll be holding workshops and open houses to show preliminary station designs for feedback and such. Lastly, she mentioned that the project is at the Environmental certification stage, and once that's passed, construction will start late 2010/early 2011.

Hope this means we'll soon hear..."Evergreen Line to Douglas College"
     
     
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A little Evergreen update.

Since I was at the Cape Horn Interchange project meeting it also gave me a chance to ask some reps from Coquitlam about the Evergreen Line.

They told me that land acquisition is currently happening as is detailed design, and we should not fear this project being stalled anymore.

They also told me that they are actively perusing for the Lincoln station with the province and indeed have been talking with the owners of Coquitlam Centre mall and other local entities about funding They said at the very least the line will be built to accomodate a future station in that location (but obviously they would rather have it built for opening day).
This is the P3 system I would have liked to have seen with the Canada Line...the current one just doesn't work.


Very glad to hear things are still moving behind doors on the Evergreen Line....loll, I still remember the first preliminary station design open house for the Canada Line. It was for Bridgeport..."I don't understand. Are we now building the world's longest airport people mover???".
     
     
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A little Evergreen update.

Since I was at the Cape Horn Interchange project meeting it also gave me a chance to ask some reps from Coquitlam about the Evergreen Line.

They told me that land acquisition is currently happening as is detailed design, and we should not fear this project being stalled anymore.

They also told me that they are actively perusing for the Lincoln station with the province and indeed have been talking with the owners of Coquitlam Centre mall and other local entities about funding They said at the very least the line will be built to accomodate a future station in that location (but obviously they would rather have it built for opening day).
Was there any mention of how Coquitlam Center Station will be built regarding the possibility of expansion into Port Coquitlam? I recall an article a while back about how the Mayor of Poco was pushing for building the station much like how they built Lougheed station, with the extra platform to allow for expansion. Improbable, but possible. Surrey would most likely get any kind of expansion before Poco would, but it's always nice to see the potential there.
     
     
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No I didn't, but I should have, haha, sorry. At least news sounds promising towards a Lincoln station.
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They've already promised to build switches at Coquitlam Central station so that an extension to the east can be built. Probably they'll just have a central platform with two tracks and the switches to the east. I think it would be a long time before an extension to the east is built. I doubt it would go over the new PMB. I think they would use the extra lane for cars and then build a skytrain / CPR bridge to replace the 100 year old nasty train bridge.
     
     
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Visited the Evergreen office last Friday, asked about the status of the project, rep said that they're committed to completing the project. Plus, she mentioned that sometime in the late summer/fall that they'll be holding workshops and open houses to show preliminary station designs for feedback and such. Lastly, she mentioned that the project is at the Environmental certification stage, and once that's passed, construction will start late 2010/early 2011.

Hope this means we'll soon hear..."Evergreen Line to Douglas College"
It's good to hear. I still think though we'll get lots of posturing between the province, cities, and translink for a while though. It still sounds like they are doing final design work, so it's not quite ready for construction.

Here's how I think it's going to go down: posturing will continue until the engineers and architects are done (which will be right after everything passes environmental spec), then we'll get this big huge media event and open houses where station design is revealed. There will be models, renderings, ribbon cutting, first shovels, and other photo ops galore (maybe even some fare gate and smart card mock ups), then the funding issues will magically be solved. It could be anything from a reorganizing of Translink, to new funding sources, to just the province picking up the tab. But the liberals will be keen on showing they can solve these problems, then remind you to vote for them in the next election.

But the bickering will continue until this thing is ready to go from the design and approval end of things. No point in solving all the problems until the thing is ready to go and in the media spotlight.
     
     
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Thanks for the info - hopefully a deal with the mall owner will be reached for Lincoln Station
     
     
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Evergreen building now set for 2011

By Jennifer McFee, Coquitlam NOW May 26, 2010

Construction was supposed to begin in 2010. Now it's slated for spring 2011.

Despite the delays, Transportation Minister Shirley Bond says the Evergreen Line is continuing on course.

"I can understand how people have been waiting for a very long time -- in fact, decades -- for this project. We have made a commitment that they're not going to have to wait any longer. We are going to go to construction next spring," Bond told The NOW.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Premier Gordon Campbell announced federal and provincial funding for the project last February. At that time, both levels of government jointly issued a press release stating that "construction is expected to start in 2010 and be completed by 2014."

But Bond said the important thing is that the preparatory work is underway. Design and environmental assessments have begun, and the procurement phase will start this summer.

"We've made it clear we're going to move forward with the Evergreen Line. We are going to construction next spring. In the meantime, we are continuing to have a discussion with the mayors' council about how we can work together to ensure that the adequate funding is in place," she said.

"We currently have over $800 million on the table from the province and the federal government, and there certainly is a gap in funding. We're having discussions as we speak with the mayors' council to work through how to close that gap."

In spite of funding uncertainties, Bond said the project is going forward. However, she said the mayors' council will need to bring its share to the table as well.

"They recognize -- I'm sure that everyone else does -- what a priority this is, not just for Coquitlam and that area but, in fact, for everyone who would benefit from the use of that line being connected to SkyTrain and ultimately Canada Line," she said.

"Bottom line, we understand how people can feel frustrated. We feel we share some of that frustration, and that's why we've said this is a priority ... We've had some very productive discussions with the mayors' council and we are going to move forward with this project one way or another."

The Evergreen Line remains top priority, Bond said, although planning has also begun for future lines.

"The first project we will be considering, we will be moving forward with, is the Evergreen Line. We are obviously now doing planning and thinking about the UBC and Surrey lines, but there's much work to be done as we prepare for those in the future," she said.

"But in the short term, the Evergreen Line is long past overdue ... we will move forward with this and that's our intent."

As vice-chair of the mayors' council on transportation, Port Moody Mayor Joe Trasolini recently met with Bond and discussed the long-awaited line.

"Sustainable funding and the Evergreen issue need to be resolved fairly quickly. Nobody has the answers yet, but at least we're talking," he said.

Trasolini said he believes the Evergreen Line will be built, adding that TransLink will need new funding options to be sustainable.

"The province is too entrenched in the promise," he said. "To me, it's not a question of happening or not happening. To me, it's a question of how it's going to be paid for. It comes down to the political will."

However, Tri-Cities residents are tired of waiting, Trasolini said.

"I think they're steamed. I think they're throwing their hands up in the air and they're tired of hearing the province say, 'We're committed, we'll build it.' Well when? What if the province gets into political hot water? Aren't they there now? What happens if there's a shift in the priorities?" he asked.

"I think it's too late for that. I think the project in essence is underway -- perhaps not physically, not visibly, but I think that for this or any other government, they would have a hard time mothballing this one now."

Coquitlam Mayor Richard Stewart is also confident the Evergreen Line is finally on its way.

"Every time I've spoken to the premier about it, he's been tenaciously adamant that it is being designed right now and it will be built on schedule," Stewart said.

But Port Coquitlam Mayor Greg Moore is less optimistic.

"I'll be concerned until the day that the shovel's in the ground. We've got some major hurdles to overcome between now and then, one being financial. We need to be working together to figure out the financial aspects of the project and the ongoing operational costs of the project," Moore said.

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http://www.thenownews.com/news/Evergreen+building+2011/3072697/story.html
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If they're having funding problems then why don't they just terminate at Coquitlam Central for the time being, and expand to Douglas at a later time like they did with the Millenium line and VCC. Most people taking public transit to Douglas typically have to transfer at Coquitlam Central anyway. It's only a 2km bus trip which Douglas students who take transit are already used to making. If the budget is what is causing delays then I think this should be considered an option.
     
     
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