YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion - Page 132

Yume-sama · #**2621** Posted **Apr 18, 2010, 2:33 AM**

And it sand blasted the outside of the 747, it came home with no paint.

MalcolmTucker · #**2622** Posted **Apr 18, 2010, 2:47 AM**

Love the quote from the Captain of the flight if I remember it correctly from the tv show.

Quote:

Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control. I trust you are not in too much distress.

Pure brilliance.

Coldrsx · #**2623** Posted **Apr 18, 2010, 2:49 AM**

^speedbird... good ol St. Elmo's fire baby.

trofirhen · #**2624** Posted **Apr 18, 2010, 6:26 AM**

When this volcanic ash problem subsides, and the conversation gets back to business, and the obligatory remarks about when what flights will go to KIX again, and where can you buy the best Japadogs, etc ............

I wonder if we'll get our teeth into destinations again. Otherwise stated, making sure that YVR becomes a real hub, and does not remain the hybrid spoke-hub that it is.

Other than the Emirates issue (which is dead in the water, let's face it), what about the following, all of which have been mentioned before: Westjet joining Skyteam with Air France, Korean, Delta..... (sounds surreal doesn't it)....

Southwest codesharing with Westjet, providing vastly improved access to the USA..... etc etc etc

It's time to make sure Vancouver becomes the all-round hub it should be. With the powers that be at the helm, that is unlikely. Wouldn't it be great to have a federal Minister of Transport who hailed from BC? (dream on...... Ontario rules...... )

jsbertram · #**2625** Posted **Apr 18, 2010, 7:05 AM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

When this volcanic ash problem subsides, and the conversation gets back to business, and the obligatory remarks about when what flights will go to KIX again, and where can you buy the best Japadogs, etc ............

I wonder if we'll get our teeth into destinations again. Otherwise stated, making sure that YVR becomes a real hub, and does not remain the hybrid spoke-hub that it is.

Other than the Emirates issue (which is dead in the water, let's face it), what about the following, all of which have been mentioned before: Westjet joining Skyteam with Air France, Korean, Delta..... (sounds surreal doesn't it)....

Southwest codesharing with Westjet, providing vastly improved access to the USA..... etc etc etc

It's time to make sure Vancouver becomes the all-round hub it should be. With the powers that be at the helm, that is unlikely. Wouldn't it be great to have a federal Minister of Transport who hailed from BC? (dream on...... Ontario rules...... )

typed too soon ....

Partner ends pact with WestJet.
Southwest exits.
Airlines part ways over arrangement for codesharing
http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Partner+ends+pact+with+WestJet/2917763/story.html

lezard · #**2626** Posted **Apr 18, 2010, 11:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by jsbertram

An antique device called a 'BOAT', sometimes called a 'SHIP'.
Quite popular for moving passengers until the 50's when jetliners became reliable and cheap.

My solution: Fly the planes to an east coast airport; roll them off the runway onto barges; tow them to England or France; roll them onto nearby runways; continue the flight as if nothing has happened.

Brilliant!

trofirhen · #**2627** Posted **Apr 18, 2010, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbertram

typed too soon ....

Partner ends pact with WestJet.
Southwest exits.
Airlines part ways over arrangement for codesharing
http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Partner+ends+pact+with+WestJet/2917763/story.html

Yikes! I goofed again. Oh well, it seems they have other stuff cooking, and if part of it is with AF/KLM, it may turn out to be something big-time. I hope so. (Would this mean Westjuet is going to start European flights, I wonder??)

jsbertram · #**2628** Posted **Apr 18, 2010, 4:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yikes! I goofed again. Oh well, it seems they have other stuff cooking, and if part of it is with AF/KLM, it may turn out to be something big-time. I hope so. (Would this mean Westjuet is going to start European flights, I wonder??)

According to the article, Southwest killed their agreement because WestJet wants to get cozy with Delta.

Seems to me like killing the Southwest + WestJet codeshare agreement makes it easier for WestJet to codeshare with Delta now. After all wasn't that a primary motivator for WestJet to go though the pain of switching to Sabre? To make it easier to codeshare with everyone else using Sabre too?

Yume-sama · #**2629** Posted **Apr 18, 2010, 4:43 PM**

I hope it was for something good, because I don't like Sabre. It looks ugly.

trofirhen · #**2630** Posted **Apr 18, 2010, 6:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Yume-sama

I hope it was for something good, because I don't like Sabre. It looks ugly.

Could you elaborate on that, Yume? I'd be interested to hear what you think might happen. Thanks.

ps: why don't you like Sabre? I'm not criticizing your choice, just curious, as I know
little or nothing about the different booking engines.

SpongeG · #**2631** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 12:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by jsbertram

According to the article, Southwest killed their agreement because WestJet wants to get cozy with Delta.

Seems to me like killing the Southwest + WestJet codeshare agreement makes it easier for WestJet to codeshare with Delta now. After all wasn't that a primary motivator for WestJet to go though the pain of switching to Sabre? To make it easier to codeshare with everyone else using Sabre too?

thats what i heard - that delta and westjet were going to do a codeshare thing

speaking of air travel - bellingham airport is closing in september for a month or something - i got an email from allegiant air about a special sale they will be having before the airport shutdown - i think its a few weeks or something for construction $75 with all fees etc one way to most places like LA, Las vegas, san fran etc. they are adding flights in anticipation of the lost business

trofirhen · #**2632** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 2:25 AM**

If Westjet and Delta are going to do a codeshare, does that mean that they'll be covering some of the same routes? Surely not, as Delta's routes (in addition to being 100 times more extensive and longer) are in a different region altogether.

Will Westjet simply allow passengers to transfer to Delta (and Vice versa) with a single ticket?

Is Westjet planning to start overseas service? This seems improbable with an all-737 fleet, but I heard somewhere that they were a candidate for Skyteam, which includes Air France/KLM, Korean, and several other major airlines, including now-gigantic Delta.

It would be great if Westjet got big and offered real competiton for Air Canada. Then we might see some real changes in the Canadian aviation industry, including more traffic out of Vancouver.

SpongeG · #**2633** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 2:28 AM**

it would be like the deal they have or had with southwest i guess - meaning you can book a flight on westjets site for southwest only now it will be with delta

trofirhen · #**2634** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 2:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

it would be like the deal they have or had with southwest i guess - meaning you can book a flight on westjets site for southwest only now it will be with delta

Thanks for the clarification. Do you think that Westjet will ever become a big airline, or at least bigger than it is now, with possible flights overseas? That would be GREAT, in my opinion.

SpongeG · #**2635** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 2:39 AM**

my friend told me i have no clue - he has a friend who works at delta and they talk i have no clue we were driving past the airport last week and he said he heard westjet and delta were going to do something together like a codeshare or something

jsbertram · #**2636** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 6:36 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

it would be like the deal they have or had with southwest i guess - meaning you can book a flight on westjets site for southwest only now it will be with delta

Why would WestJet bother with becoming an international and overseas airline? With the codeshare, they can funnel their passengers to a hub like Calgary, and the passengers can switch to a Delta flight to the US, or an AF / KLM flight to Europe, or an KAL flight to Asia. These international and overseas flights would likely route through another hub for further connections. All of this can be booked on the Westjet website as one ticket. The codeshare partners can feed their international and overseas passengers to WestJet, and have the flights booked on the AF /KLM / KAL websites as one ticket too.

And of course Sabre can tie all this together too for travel agents.

ie: Saskatoon to Calgary using Westjet; continue to Paris using AF; Use AF regional for the last hop in Europe to your true destination.

MalcolmTucker · #**2637** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 11:09 AM**

^ If WestJet can secure landing slots flying to Europe, especially England can be really profitable. Considering Delta's weak position in the transatlantic market and Skyteam's lack of an English player there is room there. Shareholders expect continuous growth, once they have saturated domestic, transborder and sun destinations, there is only international to go. Edging out Thomas Cook and Transat wouldn't be a bad thing.

whatnext · #**2638** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 3:05 PM**

Looks like NIMBYism is alive and well in Richmond when it comes to the aviation fuel pipeline. Harold Steves makes it sound like Armageddon:

..Take it someplace else," an angry Harold Steves told VAFFC representatives.

"Richmond council has told you over and over again that we reject your project putting a pipeline through Richmond. You're going to be endangering portions of the estuary, endangering the fishery, endangering agricultural land, and endangering the citizens of Richmond...
http://www2.canada.com/richmondnews/news/story.html?id=7d010641-1474-4a7c-b5c9-5fc99d9974db&p=1

trofirhen · #**2639** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 4:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sir.Humphrey.Appleby

^ If WestJet can secure landing slots flying to Europe, especially England can be really profitable. Considering Delta's weak position in the transatlantic market and Skyteam's lack of an English player there is room there. Shareholders expect continuous growth, once they have saturated domestic, transborder and sun destinations, there is only international to go. Edging out Thomas Cook and Transat wouldn't be a bad thing.

Humph, are you saying that you think there is a possibility that Westjet might take the quantum leap, and start overseas flights, or am I misinterpreting you?

(Incidentally, somewhere on the Web, I saw talk of Westjet joining Skyteam. How probable do you think THAT might be? I'd like your opinion. Thanks)

trofirhen · #**2640** Posted **Apr 20, 2010, 4:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbertram

Why would WestJet bother with becoming an international and overseas airline? With the codeshare, they can funnel their passengers to a hub like Calgary, and the passengers can switch to a Delta flight to the US, or an AF / KLM flight to Europe, or an KAL flight to Asia. These international and overseas flights would likely route through another hub for further connections. All of this can be booked on the Westjet website as one ticket. The codeshare partners can feed their international and overseas passengers to WestJet, and have the flights booked on the AF /KLM / KAL websites as one ticket too.

And of course Sabre can tie all this together too for travel agents.

ie: Saskatoon to Calgary using Westjet; continue to Paris using AF; Use AF regional for the last hop in Europe to your true destination.

I wonder if YVR will EVER get that Paris nonstop I harp about? BTW, it isn't just me. In that survey of desired destinations, Paris came out Number One, way ahead of all others. The second, surprisingly, was Rome.

We lost Air France to Seattle thanks to the feds. I wonder if the Open Skies will remedy that?

Most of YVR's ovrseas destinations (not counting charters) are in Asia, which is great. But I'd like to see one or two more scheduled services to Europe, too. ..... and to Dubai, for that matter, although I think that's a dead duck.