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Old Posted Apr 13, 2010, 1:35 AM
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I'm surprised this hasn't caught the attention of the media...someone needs to let 'em know so that they can rip this up. They've definitely gone too far.


BTW, with regards to those new bulbs...I absolutely hate them. Even the higher watt bulbs aren't as bright as the old "non-green" models, you end up having to turn on more lights in the middle of the night when you're studying.
Also isn't it rumuored that the CFL light bulbs emits mercury? Even thought I am a green type of person I still wont be using those CFL light bulbs
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2010, 2:19 AM
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Emit mercury? sure if you break a bunch of them and lick the glass shards. I recommend investing in some quality cfls the good ones are practically instant on and you can get any colour temperature you want, so you can match incandescent light output if you want.
I do find it interesting that people are so upset about the disappearance of fireplaces, no one cared when the subject was being discussed, heck wood burning fireplaces have been banned for years and no one complained.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2010, 3:13 AM
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I'm very surprised to learn about the fireplace ban (it can only be described that way).

There is a line, and I think this passes it.

When will city hall start handing out fines for driving a car rated below 40mpg in city limits?
I dunno, I think the proposed shelter for homeless chickens crosses the line for for me!
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the CFL bulbs contain mercury and you are not supposed to throw them in the garbage but take them to a proper recycling facility
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2010, 6:00 AM
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Emit mercury? sure if you break a bunch of them and lick the glass shards. I recommend investing in some quality cfls the good ones are practically instant on and you can get any colour temperature you want, so you can match incandescent light output if you want.
I do find it interesting that people are so upset about the disappearance of fireplaces, no one cared when the subject was being discussed, heck wood burning fireplaces have been banned for years and no one complained.
I'm more outraged by the ban on new wood burning pizza ovens.
Grrrrrrrrrrrr
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2010, 1:37 PM
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Emit mercury? sure if you break a bunch of them and lick the glass shards. I recommend investing in some quality cfls the good ones are practically instant on and you can get any colour temperature you want, so you can match incandescent light output if you want.
I do find it interesting that people are so upset about the disappearance of fireplaces, no one cared when the subject was being discussed, heck wood burning fireplaces have been banned for years and no one complained.
Funny, when you think about it. Wood-burning fireplaces are a natural heat source from a renewable resource. I grew up in a house where we used the wood burning stove in the basement. Man, when that thing got hot, it would heat the whole house.
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Funny, when you think about it. Wood-burning fireplaces are a natural heat source from a renewable resource. I grew up in a house where we used the wood burning stove in the basement. Man, when that thing got hot, it would heat the whole house.
Yep, its strange when you consider that resource is right on our doorstep. If you accept the fact fossil fuels are finite (as I assume most do) then research should be going into how to clean up the emissions from woodburning fireplaces. Some of us can remember when many Vancouver homes had sawdust burning furnaces. A smart use of the milling process waste products.
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I'm surprised this hasn't caught the attention of the media...someone needs to let 'em know so that they can rip this up. They've definitely gone too far.


BTW, with regards to those new bulbs...I absolutely hate them. Even the higher watt bulbs aren't as bright as the old "non-green" models, you end up having to turn on more lights in the middle of the night when you're studying.
We can't stand the super-white "hospital" light from those things. In overhead lamps with two bulbs, we have one of the green bulbs, and one of the old style in order to soften the overall light.

I'm about ready to stock up on the old bulbs.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2010, 5:19 PM
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Yep, its strange when you consider that resource is right on our doorstep. If you accept the fact fossil fuels are finite (as I assume most do) then research should be going into how to clean up the emissions from woodburning fireplaces. Some of us can remember when many Vancouver homes had sawdust burning furnaces. A smart use of the milling process waste products.
I'll never ever use a wood burning fireplace in my home. Yes they are nice to look at, but they are a health hazard. The toxic gases and carcinogens those things can spew into your home is scary. The fine carbon particulate matter stays in the air, on every surface, and you keep breathing in this 'third hand smoke' long after the fire has been put out. Even if it is a glassed off hearth.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2010, 5:55 PM
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Yeah, the prohibition on wood burning fireplaces isn't about efficiency - it's about air pollution, particulates and smog.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2010, 2:23 AM
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Lots of news on SEFC today, first a proposal is going to the UDP on the 21st.

1553-1577 Main Street It's the old Chyrsler dealership if anyone is wondering.
DE: Rezoning
Use: To rezone from FC-1 to CD-1 to construct an 18-storey mixed-use retail/residential building.
Review: First
Architect: Hotson Bakker Boniface Haden

City council is tabling an amendment to increase density in SEFC next week. Details in the following link.

http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20100420/documents/p8.pdf

The weird thing is they will probably have to re-table another amendment shortly as they are still looking at increase density again, there will be another open house on the 22nd regarding adding upto 2 floors to the private lands. That would increase density across the the area by 425,000sqft which is pretty substantial.

Here are the boards that will be at the open house

Why review height
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/southeast/heightreview/heights.pdf

What are the changes
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/southeast/heightreview/changes.pdf

What are public benefits
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/southeast/heightreview/publicbenefits.pdf


And this is what is currently envisioned for the area if the changes go ahead.
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/southeast/heightreview/map.pdf
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Interestingly, the proposal shows another stream along the eastern edge of Cambie Stree Bridge.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2010, 4:31 AM
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I like how they are putting in tennis courts under the bridge, probably be really well lit up at night so it won't be so creepy around there at night.
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Interestingly, the proposal shows another stream along the eastern edge of Cambie Stree Bridge.
Perhaps not a stream that feeds into False Creek, but rather a water feature instead that re-uses its water?
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2010, 8:51 AM
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I like how they are putting in tennis courts under the bridge, probably be really well lit up at night so it won't be so creepy around there at night.
Isn't a shame that it's apparently too difficult to have something like that under the Georgia and Dunsmuir viaducts, so Meggs wants to have them torn down instead.

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Old Posted Apr 16, 2010, 2:46 PM
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Definitely has the streetcar in there too. And I like the tennis courts under the Cambie Bridge.
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Old Posted Apr 16, 2010, 6:12 PM
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Not sure if this has been posted yet.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/Time%...lage%20market%20rates/2791270/story.html

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Time for the city to make a tough decision: Rent the Olympic village at market rates

By Miro Cernetig, Vancouver Sun April 12, 2010

Now that the Olympics are over, minds at Vancouver city hall are turning to their post-Games migraine: Time to reassess the mess at the Olympic village.

At the top of the agenda is what to do with the 250 units of social housing in the village. You might recall, they were supposed to be built at $65 million. They came in at a whopping $110 million.

That's $45 million over budget, a bill now being supported by Vancouver taxpayers. It probably makes these units -- at about $500,000 apiece, excluding land and future operating costs -- the most expensive social housing ever built in Vancouver. Whoever gets to live there is in for some great, taxpayer-subsidized digs.

But the political question being fought out behind the scenes is whether the Olympics units should ever be used as social housing at all. While there's plenty of ideological rhetoric that the city can't turn its back on the needy, there isn't much of a business case for this social housing palace on the edge of the waterfront.

Here's the reality. At a construction cost of about $500 per square foot, the Olympic housing project is wildly out of whack with what social housing usually costs governments to build. You can usually build social housing at a third to half the price, which means with the same money you could have built two or three times as many units.

But we're stuck with them.

Real estate experts and city staff don't believe the city's initial investment could be recovered in a sale anytime soon. And even if you did take these green-plated units to market, the city would be in a pickle. It would in effect be competing with the other Olympic village condos that will soon be coming on the market, which need to be sold at a high price if the city is going to recoup the $750-million plus interest it has loaned to the developer, Millennium Properties.

So what can be done with those social housing units?

One creative option that's been on the table is to set up the social housing as an institution that can give out charitable receipts. Find some well-heeled investors to put in $110 million, it's been argued, and the investors would get an immediate charitable deduction. The city would be absolved of the debt.

Those units could then be rented out at market rates -- or perhaps slightly lower, to allow Mayor Gregor Robertson to claim he's providing affordable housing -- and turn a profit. The investors would get a share of those profits, much like a landlord, and would even be able to gift it back to the institution, in return for more charitable receipts.

It's some fancy financial footwork. The problem here, however, is that it's complex and could take months to set up. There's also no guarantee the money exists in the city for such an investment. At the moment, philanthropists are being hit up for donations for a Children's Hospital expansion and a new art gallery, and both organizations are finding that pretty slow going.

That leaves only one smart option for the city. It can play landlord itself. Use the city's credit rating to get a preferential mortgage to cover the city's exposure in the investment and rent out the 250 units at market rates.

Those units, in one of the city's coolest areas, would easily net about $1,500 an apartment a month, or about $4.5 million annually for the city. That would likely be enough to service the mortgage, which the city could get at preferential rates, thanks to its Triple A credit rating. It might even make Vancouver taxpayers a small operating profit.

Many in the city's leftish circles, who are led by the mantra that the waterfront shouldn't just belong to the rich, won't like this option. Playing Olympic landlord would need some heavy selling by Robertson, who it should be said inherited this headache from past administrations.

Yet it's easily defensible, even to that element of his political power base.

First, there may be profits from the market rental scheme from the very start. And when the city's investment and cost overruns are paid off in a few decades, the units could certainly be sold off free and clear at a handsome windfall for the city. Or they could be held onto, to supply a steady income stream for decades to come.

Robertson could then create a truly sustainable Olympic legacy with one bold idea: Once he resuscitates the Olympic village social housing project, declare that every dollar of future profits be dedicated to building the homeless shelters and the social housing he correctly tells us the City of Vancouver needs.

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^ Not a bad plan.

As an additional compromise I think the seniors' housing building should still be subsidized. The operating profit from the rental units could provide an internal subsidy to the seniors' housing, which we should remember was purpose built and co-funded by CMHC for the specific requirements of senior citizens.

Next the SEFC ODP should be adjusted to increase the density of social and below market housing sites elsewhere in the SEFC lands and the CACs for the precinct increased slightly to fund the additional density. We can still probably end up with the same number of non-market sites in the broader neighbourhood.
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With regards to the increased density in the ODP for areas 1A, 3A, 3B, does this translate to higher building heights as well? That P8 document wasn't very clear (at least to me) and seemed to focus on reduced parking.

As for the increased density (and building heights) for the SEFC private lands, I am all for that. Will definitely be attending that open house. Bastion's Opsal Steel was left out because it has already submitted for extra density above and beyond what is being proposed, correct? A 13 and a 24 storey towers?
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Lots of news on SEFC today, first a proposal is going to the UDP on the 21st.

1553-1577 Main Street It's the old Chyrsler dealership if anyone is wondering.
DE: Rezoning
Use: To rezone from FC-1 to CD-1 to construct an 18-storey mixed-use retail/residential building.
Review: First
Architect: Hotson Bakker Boniface Haden
check out the site from Google Maps.....notice the 卐 symbol there....🞵🞵🞵!

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=1577...23.100887&spn=0.001125,0.002575&t=h&z=19
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