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Old Posted Mar 25, 2010, 4:27 PM
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I dont think this project will ever end up being what they say it is. They are starting on it in a couple months but that will probably be the first of 20 phases to be built over 20 years if ever. I have heard no mention of a time frame for completion. Also, I think you can kiss the other planned billion dollar projects (3 I think) goodbye. There is no way this area can support all of these projects. I wish HSV could, i'm just being realistic.
Always with the negative waves...Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change? (Oddball. Kelly's Heroes.)

Seriously though. Don't expect it to be built out overnight. CRP was established in 1962 and STILL has over 500 acres available, but has been a huge success and a boon to the area.

Also, this may actually help the other developments. This is primarily a business park with some restaurant and hotel features. If anything, it should provide a better business base for some of the proposed commercial projects.
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Redstone Office Park

Some more info from the web.

Here is the press release from COPT: Joint Venture to Develop Redstone Gateway Business Park

They call for 3 phases. 468 acres total. (Still less than what is available in CRP, but it is a very different business model.) They call for 4.4 million sq ft of office space.

Retail space appears to be 100,000 to 200,000 sq ft. The retail space is small compared to the office space or to something like Bridge Street at about 550,000 sq ft or the proposed Waterstone development with over 900,000.

Here's an older JWA property sheet that has probably been posted before. I'm sure plans have evolved. Redstone Technology Park Property Sheet
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I dont think this project will ever end up being what they say it is. They are starting on it in a couple months but that will probably be the first of 20 phases to be built over 20 years if ever. I have heard no mention of a time frame for completion. Also, I think you can kiss the other planned billion dollar projects (3 I think) goodbye. There is no way this area can support all of these projects. I wish HSV could, i'm just being realistic.
At the present time, the city cannot support it. But, the whole thing is that companies want to move to cities these days that have highly skilled workforces, cities that are attractive to younger individuals, basically everything that makes for a productive business environment. Huntsville provides that. There are certain cities where the "build and they will come" mentality works, and Huntsville is one of them. A project like this probably couldn't work out in somewhere like Buffalo, NY where you have so many people leaving town. But, Huntsville is a fresh city that is attracting people by the thousands.

Besides, North Alabama has a relatively high occupancy rate for office space, and at the rate of growth that we are experiencing, this couldn't have come at a better time.

EDIT: Also, when you factor in the number of contracting jobs that will be spinnoffs of the BRAC jobs, everything pretty much equals out. What the arsenal is building will house the BRAC employees, and Redstone Gate can house the thousands of contractors that will ultimately set up shop to service the Redstone expansions and ventures.
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Old Posted Mar 29, 2010, 7:06 PM
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Info brief on Redstone Gateway development has been posted on the COPT web site.

Redstone Gateway.pdf

As previously reported, 3 phases of build-out. Initial occupancy expected in late 2011 or early 2012. Not bad! Phase 1 includes the retail portion and a 150 rm hotel. Also includes a lake with a performance venue or amphitheatre.

Total build-out expected to take 10-20 years.
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Old Posted Apr 2, 2010, 3:03 AM
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Will the Redstone construction affect the Constellation Project Downtown. I cannot find any information on the progress of Constellation. Also why did the Huntsville times change their online format? I live in Virginia but I try to keep up with Huntsville. I plan to eventaully come home. Any positive information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
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Will the Redstone construction affect the Constellation Project Downtown. I cannot find any information on the progress of Constellation. Also why did the Huntsville times change their online format? I live in Virginia but I try to keep up with Huntsville. I plan to eventaully come home. Any positive information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Constellation is currently under construction, so I'm not sure if it will affect that project. The Redstone project is probably geared more towards people who are in and out of the Arsenal on a regular basis. I think alot of it will be office space. The Constellation project is geared towards anybody who might want to go there. I think there are suppose to be restaurants, bars maybe, hotels for sure, and anything else that might attract people downtown.

As for The Huntsville Times, if you're talking about al.com, they update that site every so often. I think The Times is an affiliate of the New York Times along with The Birmingham New, and Mobile Press-Register, so that probably has alot to do with what the site looks like.

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Constellation is currently under construction, so I'm not sure if it will affect that project. The Redstone project is probably geared more towards people who are in and out of the Arsenal on a regular basis. I think alot of it will be office space. The Constellation project is geared towards anybody who might want to go there. I think there are suppose to be restaurants, bars maybe, hotels for sure, and anything else that might attract people downtown.

As for The Huntsville Times, if you're talking about al.com, they update that site every so often. I think The Times is an affiliate of the New York Times along with The Birmingham New, and Mobile Press-Register, so that probably has alot to do with what the site looks like.

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Pretty much every newspaper in Alabama is owned by the NY Times. BUT, AL.com is owned by someone completely different, and yea, they pretty much effed up my daily news reading routine.
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Pretty much every newspaper in Alabama is owned by the NY Times.
Do you have a list of the papers? The only two I know of are The Tuscaloosa News and The Gadsden Times.
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As for The Huntsville Times, if you're talking about al.com, they update that site every so often. I think The Times is an affiliate of the New York Times along with The Birmingham New, and Mobile Press-Register, so that probably has alot to do with what the site looks like.
Nope; the Times, News and Press-Register are owned by the same company, but not the New York Times. They are owned by Advance Publications, a descendant of the Newhouse newspaper group. If you scroll to the bottom of an al.com page, you can click on the "Advance Internet" logo and see other sites/newspapers they own, such as the Cleveland Plain-Dealer (cleveland.com), the New Orleans Times-Picayune (nola.com) and the Portland Oregonian (oregonlive.com).

Dyingyak is right in that there are only two Alabama newspapers owned by the New York Times: the Gadsden Times and the Tuscaloosa News. The Florence Times-Daily was owned by them until about a year ago, when it was bought by the Decatur Daily (an independent paper).

But back to the original topic-- yes, the Times moved all of their stories to the "breaking news" page, which makes it somewhat harder to read than the old "list" format IMO. Guess they want you to subscribe to the real thing instead.
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Watercress Green

There is a lot more planned for the Watercress Green development than the 100,000 sq. ft. Kroger. Check out the flyer, http://www.theshoppingcentergroup.com/DS...pcom/Commerce/ProductImages/pf001207.pdf
and you can see lots designated for two hotels (located behind the Kroger)as well as numerous parcels for restaurants and offices. All together it is very close in size and scope to the Harris Hill development and in fact is being developed by the same developers - the Walker family.

A number of outparcels which are directly on University and Jeff Rd. will be sold to other retail businesses. While the scale of the development is impessive, it is hard to see how there is a market for more hotel rooms (given the number of new hotels being built) and new apartments (ditto). It may take ten years for this development to be built out. In the long run, however, it further establishes the western areas of Madison County as the primary growth corridor for the HSV Metro.

A significant figure hidden in the Shopping Center Group flyer is the Median Household Income for a three mile radius of the development - $81,000. This figure is a magnet for many retailers and is one of the highest income areas of Madison County. Another nearby corridor with similar stats would be the County Line Rd. area of western Madison which attracted the Publix shopping center. The Airport Rd. corridor is another retail mecca with similar (even higher) household income figures.
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Nope; the Times, News and Press-Register are owned by the same company, but not the New York Times. They are owned by Advance Publications, a descendant of the Newhouse newspaper group. If you scroll to the bottom of an al.com page, you can click on the "Advance Internet" logo and see other sites/newspapers they own, such as the Cleveland Plain-Dealer (cleveland.com), the New Orleans Times-Picayune (nola.com) and the Portland Oregonian (oregonlive.com).

Dyingyak is right in that there are only two Alabama newspapers owned by the New York Times: the Gadsden Times and the Tuscaloosa News. The Florence Times-Daily was owned by them until about a year ago, when it was bought by the Decatur Daily (an independent paper).

But back to the original topic-- yes, the Times moved all of their stories to the "breaking news" page, which makes it somewhat harder to read than the old "list" format IMO. Guess they want you to subscribe to the real thing instead.
OHHHHHHHHHK, thanx for clearing that up, I apologize for missinforming everyone.

At the moment, the Decatur Daily (and Times Daily) and the Anniston Star are the only newspapers that are still privately owned. I'm quite sure that's still the case with the Anniston Star, but I can't be certain. I know it's true for the Decatur Daily though.
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Do you guys have any word on the new big retail centers planned for the area?
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I was downtown this week and the construction on the Arts Museum expansion is coming along quickly. They've already got the framwork up and some of the bricking done. They should have it completed by end of summer or early fall at the rate they're going.

The Propst Arena renovations are coming along as well. They should be starting the construction on the new glass lobby entrance very soon. I was told that the new expansion will allow suites and open area access into the arena from the fron entrance. As it was before, there were doors to enter the arena seating exiting to the consession stands. They're taking a wall out and opening it up like a modern day arena would look. You won't miss any action while getting your food.

I was told by a worker on the arts museum that the city is talking about expanding Big Spring Park and possibly adding a new lake, an outdoor amphitheater, restaurants and shops. I would assume they're targeting the south area of downtown across from the park where the doctors offices are now. That's where I am hoping the new science museum will also be to compliment the Arts and Early Works museums.
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I was told by a worker on the arts museum that the city is talking about expanding Big Spring Park and possibly adding a new lake, an outdoor amphitheater, restaurants and shops. I would assume they're targeting the south area of downtown across from the park where the doctors offices are now. That's where I am hoping the new science museum will also be to compliment the Arts and Early Works museums.
That would be sooo cool. Big Spring Park is such an asset to downtown. Everytime I've gone recently it's been packed. Some more restaurants and shops lining (but not IN) the park would be a great idea and I'm sure they would lease very quickly with all the pedestrian activity.

I assume you're talking about those brick professional buildings? I kind've like those but more park space would be worth it. It would be ideal if they could take it all the way to the medical district since they'll be demolishing more of the Councill Courts housing project. I've always wondered why there wasnt more urban infill along Gallatin and Madison in that area, but a park expansion would probably make that area a lot more attractive to developers.

Maybe something mixed use if they pass the Green 13 recommendations.
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Metro area adds nearly 64,000 people in last decade, tops 400,000 for first time
By Lee Roop, The Huntsville Times
April 04, 2010, 7:00AM


You're right; it is more crowded on Memorial Parkway. New government estimates show Huntsville's metropolitan area grew by nearly 64,000 people in the past 10 years to top 400,000 for the first time.
State experts call that "eye-popping" growth in the two-county metro area of Madison and Limestone counties. If the trend continues, it means passing Mobile this decade to become the state's second-largest metropolitan area, trailing only Birmingham.

And the growth is expected to continue - or even accelerate - as BRAC transfers continue to arrive by the hundreds with their families.

The numbers released by the U.S. Census Bureau last week are the last official estimates of changes to the U.S. population during years between 2000 and 2009. They do not reflect the 2010 national census now under way, but sociologist and demographer Dr. Don Bogie of Montgomery said Thursday "they are usually pretty close."

Now available at the official census Web site, www.census.gov, the estimates show the two-county metropolitan area's estimated 2009 population at 406,316, up from 342,376 in 2000. That's an increase of nearly 19 percent.

By comparison, the state's other major metro areas had estimated 2009 populations as follows (2000 populations in parentheses for comparison): Birmingham-Hoover 1,131,070 (1,051,300), Mobile 411,721 (399,843) and Montgomery 366,401 (346,522). Chattanooga's metro area posted a population of 524,303 (476,502).

Most of the increase came in Madison County itself, where the population is now estimated at 327,744, up 18 percent from 276,952 in 2000, according to a companion set of county figures also released last week. "Metropolitan statistical areas," or MSAs, are closely related population groups the government uses to guide decisions such as highway funding.

Huntsville's MSA includes both Limestone and Madison counties. Retailers also use population numbers to make decisions on locating new stores and franchises.

"That's huge," said Annette Watters, manager of the Alabama State Data Center at the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa.

"Eye-popping," agreed retired university sociology professor and demographer Bogie of Montgomery. The cause is "a really hefty net migration into the area," Bogie said, and that's significant, too.

The numbers show about 36,000 of Madison County's 50,792 increase from came from immigration, Bogie said. About 14,000 came from births over deaths in the existing population, a number that is also significant. It shows a population with a good number of young, growing families and households.

Approximately 5,400 of the immigrants to Madison County and 7,000 to the MSA as a whole came from a different county, the Census Bureau estimates. Bogie said many of the immigrants are likely Hispanic and mostly from Mexico, which the Census Bureau identifies as the country of origin of the overwhelming percentage of immigrants to the U.S.

But given Huntsville's international economy, Watters said immigration could be from around the world and at both ends of the economic spectrum. "Doctors and engineers, roofers and brick masons," Watters said.

Growth like this first strains infrastructure, Watters said. That means crowded roads and schools and shortages of affordable housing. More cars on the road means a harder time meeting tightening federal clean air standards, noted Alabama A&M University professor Dr. Jacob Oluwoye, who does research in A&M's Department of Community Planning and Urban Studies.

Soon after infrastructure issues, people notice a need for more goods and services. That means more stores and groceries, more doctors and dentists, more plumbers and roofers, Watters said.

The needs create "challenges and opportunities," Watters said. New niches open that can be exploited by nimble entrepreneurs, but existing businesses can find themselves bypassed if, for example, traffic patterns change. Growth at this rate strains public services, Watters noted.

Cities and counties need more schools, more teachers, more police, and more firefighters, among other things, and those public servants increasingly need to know at least some Spanish.

If the official census bears out the numbers, changes will be come on the political map, too. Watters said the 5th Congressional District will be redrawn, and the population increase should mean more representation in Montgomery, as well.

It sounds like one tough challenge after another, but the demographers point out that, in Bogie's words, "it's better than the other problem, which is out-migration." Several Alabama counties recorded population decreases, particularly in the Black Belt south of Tuscaloosa where the economy is still struggling. That means fewer people to pay for needed and existing services.

In growing counties, Bogie said the question is "to what extent those coming in pay for these things." Madison County's history suggests its new arrivals do pay their share, both experts agree. The history also suggests local leaders know how to deal with growth like this.

"These are the kind of problems Huntsville is accustomed to," Watters said. "I am confident Huntsville is going to handle this well."

Overall, Alabama's population increased 5.9 percent to nearly 4.7 million in the same period. The population shrank in 34 of 67 counties.




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I was just looking at a googlemap of that location and it seems it's a straight shot to the already demolished portion of Councill Courts. As far as I know, the city hasn't sold any of that land yet. So I think they should use the mid block half of it for park expansion.

I was also just looking at the most recent addition they've done to the park(between Embassy Suites and the VBC and if some creek improvements were made to the south where it currently dead ends in that waterfall feature, it would be really easy to follow the creek to the Lowe Mill neighborhood. I think the city is still trying to revitalize that neighborhood so easy downtown pedestrian/bike corridors would be a great way to do that. the creek even passes through some open fields currently so it seems that land aquistion would not be much of a problem. I would envision it looking a lot like the Embassy Suite/VBC addition but hopefully with a wider creek portion and more open fields.

The creek also passes under the Memorial Parkway but it's already an elevated bridge so the only concern there would be DOT approval which I understand is ridiculously hard to get.
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Metro area adds nearly 64,000 people in last decade, tops 400,000 for first time
By Lee Roop, The Huntsville Times
April 04, 2010, 7:00AM


You're right; it is more crowded on Memorial Parkway. New government estimates show Huntsville's metropolitan area grew by nearly 64,000 people in the past 10 years to top 400,000 for the first time.
State experts call that "eye-popping" growth in the two-county metro area of Madison and Limestone counties. If the trend continues, it means passing Mobile this decade to become the state's second-largest metropolitan area, trailing only Birmingham.

And the growth is expected to continue - or even accelerate - as BRAC transfers continue to arrive by the hundreds with their families.
Only "eye-popping" to those not paying attention, methinks.

How about some "eye-popping" road expansions? As much as I hate the way the census is being done, hopefully it will finally get the much needed road dollars to come our way.

Pretty sad that we are about to pass Mobile for the 2nd largest metro of Alabama and yet we only have half of an interstate going through town.
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Yes it does! It's also just half a mile from me and very convenient.
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Us 72 W

What's a better solution for the present and future US 72 W issues?

Continual widening of US 72 or just building a controlled access highway that tracks 72? Possibly even building the highway all the way out to 65.
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