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Old Posted Mar 22, 2010, 5:40 PM
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Great post kgc087!

And I agree circle33...congrats to the dawgs! And yes, it's a good, affordable event to take kids to! Took my 3 year old son to a game this year and he loved it!
     
     
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Fantastic initiative kgc087! It's very enlightening and encouraging to hear Hill's views on the state of affairs at City Hall and that his attitude reflects our vision for Saskatoon.

We just need a couple more like-minded councilors to tip the scale in favor of a more sustainable Saskatoon. The future is bright

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Took my 3 year old son to a game this year and he loved it!
Free thunder sticks, a guy in a dog suit, getting to run around the track. What's not to like?
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The Sandbox & Traxx

So I just heard today that Traxx Footwear in Grosvenor purchased "The Sandbox" in Waskesiu and will open it as "Traxx in the Sand" this summer. Traxx is also eyeing and apparently in negotiations with the owner of "The Sandbox" here to sell their Broadway location in the near future.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 3:04 AM
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Well Nasser and Lob showed up with the money tonight and promised excavation of the site would be started within 45 days and the entire project completed within 36 months. I'm sure they'll be more about this in the SP tomorrow morning.
     
     
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That's great! I can't wait to see some action on the site!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 4:12 AM
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This just in.... more talk....

Lake Placid Developer Ready to Build
Saskatoon City Council told project could be done in three years

Reported By Joe Hoover
Posted March 22, 2010 - 9:24pm

Saskatoon City Council wants to hear more.

Michael Lobsinger, the developer behind the on-again, off-again River landing project appeared before Council Monday night.

Except this time, he had a pretty interesting pitch.

"We are in position, along with Dr. Nasser, are in a position to close on the land immediately," started Lobsinger. "And start excavation on the site within 45 days."

He says with Council's approval, the massive condo-hotel complex could be completed in 36, to 38 months.

The deal with Lake Placid was pronounced dead last fall after the company failed to meet a critical payment deadline.

However, Lobsinger has always maintained interest in the project and now has the financial backing of local businessman Dr. Karim Nasser as well as the potential for Marriott Hotels to be an anchor tenant.

City Council wants to talk more with Lobsinger and his backers.

They've sent the issue back to administration.

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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 4:22 AM
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And the S-P with the details...

Lobsinger and Nasser want first dibs on land to resurrect River Landing Village development

By David Hutton, TheStarPhoenix.com March 22, 2010

SASKATOON — The group looking to resurrect a dead sales agreement and build the massive River Landing Village told city council Monday the riverfront megaproject could be built within three years.

“We could complete (this project) in its entirety within 36 to 38 months,” said Michael Lobsinger, CEO of Lake Placid Developments.

Lobsinger was joined at council by Karim Nasser, the retired University of Saskatchewan professor who confirmed his company, Victory Majors Investment Corp., has signed a partnership with Lake Placid to help build the hotel-condo-office project contingent on city hall reviving the sales agreement that ended last October.

The pair, in separate speeches, praised the project’s potential to create jobs, rejuvenate the downtown, add parking and improve tourism.

“The project is exciting, economical and self-sustaining,” Nasser said.

Both parties told reporters after the meeting they are not interested in participating in a request for proposals with other developers, which city administration was working to get in front of councillors on April 19.

They also would not comment on whether they are willing to pay more for the land, last valued four years ago at $4.5 million. The city has new appraisals and is working to verify the numbers, officials said.

“It will be waste of time for the city because they have been trying for over 30 years to get that project going from one delay to another delay and so on,” Nasser said. “If they really want that project to go, we hope they make the decision as soon as possible.”

“Am I interested in another (request for proposals)?” Lobsinger said. “No I am not. The process that it took me to get approval was 30 months. . . . We’re ready to get going literally in May. We can start now instead of two years from now.”

City councillors asked administration Monday to investigate the financials of the Lake Placid and Victory Majors deal and report to city council April 12 seeking direction from council on whether to enter in negotiations on the sale of the land and the terms of the development.

“We’d report back on any additional information on what we’d be able to glean,” said city manager Murray Totland. “City council will need to make a decision on how they want to proceed.

“This is totally dependent on how much information Lake Placid and partners are willing to share with us. . . . I hope they will be willing to provide a lot of information.”

Coun. Charlie Clark was the only councillor to vote against referring the group’s bid back to administration, citing his belief the deal died in October when a firm commitment was made that the agreement was null and void.

He said reviving the agreement at this time sends “uncertain messages” to the wider development community.

“It’s time to take the next step,” he said.

Other councillors asked administration to provide as much information as possible, including the updated land appraisals and due diligence on the financials of the deal.

“I believe the fact that Dr. Nasser has stepped up to the plate has caught the public imagination, but at the same time we need to make sure we’re making an informed decision,” said Coun. Pat Lorje.

“I don’t want to see a hole in the ground and then nothing goes forward.”

Lobsinger, asked about the elusive signature that he said was forthcoming within days when he spoke to council last year on financing the project, said it was “not an issue for the public.”

“Nothing has happened, I’m one signature away,” he said.

Manlio Marescotti, Marriot Hotel’s vice-president of development, said the chain is looking to develop smaller-scale Courtyard by Mariott hotels, with 150 to 200 rooms and meeting room space.

“Saskatoon remains a development priority,” he said.

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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 6:15 AM
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"Like sands through an hourglass, so are the days of our lives."

Hopefully the construction process will have a tad less drama than the approval process. 36-38 months eh? It may be completed just in time for the 2013 municipal election...

I wonder how RLV will impact other projects in the pipeline (275 2nd Avenue).
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 7:38 AM
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Charlie Clark was the only councillor to vote against Lobsinger getting reconsidered, cause he thought that sent unclear messages to other developers.

What other developers, exactly? I thought before Lake Placid stepped in, the only other interest in the site was by Remai, and they pulled out. Has there been ANY other interested parties in this project?
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 1:45 PM
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I was also rather surprised at Charlie's comment. There has not even been a rumor about someone else being interested in developing this property.

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Hopefully the construction process will have a tad less drama than the approval process. 36-38 months eh? It may be completed just in time for the 2013 municipal election...

I wonder how RLV will impact other projects in the pipeline (275 2nd Avenue).
I'm sure it will have an impact on the condo towers being considered at St. John's Cathedral, St. Paul's Cathedral and the rumored "sliver" next to the Renaissance all along Spadina Crescent. There is only so much the market can absorb.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 3:55 PM
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Well..... I have to admit, that for as excited as I am about the potential for this deal to go through, something doesn't feel right. Lobsinger said at last night's meeting that they can start in May, but scheduling was never the problem - financing was. We saw him sitting with Nasser and the guy from Marriott hotels - are they going to cover a portion (or all) of the investment cost? If not, then who? Lobsinger's previous plan was to get all $200M of investment capital lined up before he started digging. Does he have it? If not, then his plan has changed to start building before securing all financing? What investors will go along with such a plan? Will city council?

I'm hopeful that Lobsinger had a portion of his $200M set up in rock-solid agreements, but couldn't top up the required total, and hopefully between Marriott and Nasser, they can fill in what's required. Otherwise, I can see city hall waffling on this.

To restore Lobsinger's credibility with council and the public, he's going to have to give some details, but true to his form, he's not. I doubt that's going to win any favour from anyone. Hopefully he's provided a complete and unambiguous financial breakdown to council, which they're reviewing.

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I'm hopeful and my fingers are crossed that this will all come together, but like Shmakim, I still have some doubts/questions.

I found Lobsingers response, when asked about the mysterious "one more signature" a little off putting. I believe his quote is "Nothing has happened. I'm one signature away". So, does he still need this 'signature' to proceed along with Nasser's support? Is he no longer seeking that financing? Just seems a bit strange.

Also, I would have thought that the hotel being secured for this project would be quite high end. However, it sounds like the Marriot rep is looking at a 'courtyard' version. These are nice, but hardly the high end flagship hotel first discussed.

I just hope this overall project is not 'down-graded' for it to proceed.
     
     
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I'm hopeful and my fingers are crossed that this will all come together, but like Shmakim, I still have some doubts/questions.

I found Lobsingers response, when asked about the mysterious "one more signature" a little off putting. I believe his quote is "Nothing has happened. I'm one signature away". So, does he still need this 'signature' to proceed along with Nasser's support? Is he no longer seeking that financing? Just seems a bit strange.

Also, I would have thought that the hotel being secured for this project would be quite high end. However, it sounds like the Marriot rep is looking at a 'courtyard' version. These are nice, but hardly the high end flagship hotel first discussed.

I just hope this overall project is not 'down-graded' for it to proceed.
Ditto that. I would hate to see some cheaped out RL. Hearing about the Courtyard by Marriott was seriously disappointing. But beggars can't be choosers... can they?
     
     
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Put me under the fingers crossed/skiddish camp as well. Nasser riding in on a white horse does not erase Lake Placid's past performance. Council needs to protect the public interest, not some developers who may or may not have solid financing.

And shmakim, it doesn't sound like Marriott is contributing any capital towards construction of the hotel. They're simply interested in providing franchise rights, or they may operate it for another party.

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River Landing development piques interest of hotel company
By David Hutton, The StarPhoenixMarch 20, 2010

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"(The Marriott is) prepared to make a deal with us and if anybody who wants to use the Marriott flag they would give them the franchise rights."

The hotel chain would likely require a franchisee, but the company and the Hilton hotel chain have shown interest in putting their name to the development, Nasser said.

A spokesperson for Marriott said the company is "very interested in being part of the development." She doesn't yet know, however, if it would be a franchise, which is owned and operated by another company with the Marriott flag, or a managed agreement, where the owner pays Marriott to operate and staff the hotel.


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I'm also questioning whether Nasser is contributing part of the $200 million.

From Sean Shaw's blog...

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Mr. Nasser, during questioning, at first stated that he would not be interested in participating in a new RFP process, but on a follow up question he neither answered yes or no to basically the same questions. When asked if financing was in place to complete the project he indicated that his company was prepared to supply the funds needed to “secure title of the land” and would then “support” the project as it progressed. He would not answer if he was willing to pay more for the land than what was present in the original agreement.

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No matter how fancy the renderings are, being non-committal at this point in time does not bode well for public support (and they need it...or do they?).

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Old Posted Mar 23, 2010, 5:06 PM
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I have a strong feeling that Lake Placid FINALLY has the financing they require and will be able to move forward with their project. Yes they have not performed well but DAMN they have one sexy project which will FINALLY push the boundaries of Saskatoon's architecture and open the door, no make that BUST DOWN THE DOOR, for high end development in the city!

On a completely different topic, I was wondering what everyone thought of promoting roof top gardens and green spaces in the city. I feel that this should be a city wide promotion, say buildings with it get a tax rebate or energy bill discount just as incentive. This would create an incredible identity for the city and really push us onto the next level of sustainability. The gardens would reduce light pollution, greenhouse emissions as well greatly enhance any space they are added to. Now when I say this I don't mean 5 potted trees along the edge of a building i mean full fledged gardens, it would be like the 25th street median planters transposed to a roof top. What's everyone's opinion before I send off a letter!?
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I think it's a no brainer. The City could offer incentives such as reduced property taxes, or rebates due to lower demands on the storm water system. To make up for the reduced tax revenue, the City would require new developments to pay a fee that gets pooled into a 'green initiative fund'. Some of the funds could be used to fund other sustainability initiatives as well. These kinds of programs and policies definitely need to be available and applied city wide.

The unfortunate thing about green roofs is they're not fully understood by the public, and the local development and construction industry does not have much experience with it. I don't know of any local firms that specialize in green roof technology, either manufacturing the materials or installing them.

I am confused about your statement regarding reduced light pollution. How does that work?
     
     
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I agree with Ruckus, the public does not understand green roofs. and yes in a place where there are little to none built its hard to get people invested in it. For a highly dense city green roofs are way more viable. But in Saskatoon we have so much unused space in the form of vacant lots and parking lots or brownsites, i think these areas would be a better option to start with.
Maybe giving tax breaks to owners of these properties if individuals or the city were able to grow or plant on them would be an option (until the land is actually used for development).
Places like Vancouver, Seattle and various other cities have started programs like this. Building huge rows of planters in vacant parking lots to create an urban forest or garden from which food could be harvested.
Also to curb water drainoff and flooding in areas San Francisco has done a similar project where by they have created green space along a great majority of their sidewalks so that water can be absorbed into the ground and by plant life. Less strain on the cities water system.
This all creates a more green atmosphere, cools the surrounding areas(ashphalt produces so much heat in the summer), and can raise poeple's appreciation for surrounding space.

There is a lot more people can look into too, urban fish/hydroponic farms, vertical farming.

If you guys wanna take a look at some research me and some other people did last fall on green technology and ideas, here is our groups blog:

http://blue2arch100.blogspot.com/

Guess what i am saying is that building green roofs in saskatoon would take a bit of work, but its not impossible. Its just easier to show people the possibilities of planting green when its something they can see happen day to day, a rooftop garden is not very visible to a person walking the streets.
     
     
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Yes it would be a hard push in Saskatoon, but def not impossible and should be something considered. I like the idea of transforming unused spaces into green spaces but in Saskatoon that spells disaster b/c the spaces would become permanent and just wouldn't be a temporary thing before a large infill project could take its place.

When I was in agriculture one of the profs was really pushing vertical farming and in a place like Saskatoon it is an excellent idea. It would be a way to almost nudge people into feeling increased density is fine by building essentially community farms along the side of a building. I think it would ease peoples minds knowing that we are actually creating more green space by building up then by having yards for everyone and building out. Does that make sense?

I would really like to see slim tall structures placed in tiny spaces like say that bizarre parking lot between the Broadway bridge and the renaissance tower that are purely devoted to greenery, there are no inhabitants or parking or offices or anything in the structure its just a framework with plant life in it to encourage urban wildlife and again the vertical greenery which will also give the illusion of density which may make people feel more comfy with it when they "see" it.
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Has anyone pondered that Nasser recently secured $6 million in cash from his unusual donation to the U of S, and is now in the position to fund the land purchase of at least $4.5 million for the Lake Placid development. It is a curious coincidence, which makes me wonder just how much ultimate financial backing that Nasser could provide if he needed the U of S deal to possibly secure simply the land purchase funds.

Just food for thought.
     
     
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