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Old Posted Feb 17, 2010, 9:02 PM
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TTC gets provincial subsidies, they won't in 2010.
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2010, 10:33 PM
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If anything sinks this ship it's going to be lack of funding. Some pizza / crack shop owner or several of the like will not convince a majority of council to turn down $700 million. So those with negative energy, cast your FUD upon the ability of the provincial government to come up with it.
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Old Posted Feb 17, 2010, 10:37 PM
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Funding won't come out until the 2011 Budget, which is also an election year For Dalton McGuinty. In the 2010 Budget they'll either ignore or mention about Hamilton's rapid transit.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2010, 11:14 AM
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Light rail a 'once in a lifetime opportunity'

March 15, 2010
Meredith Macleod
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/737369

The prospect of light-rail transit for Hamilton is about much more than moving people from place to place.

For many, it's about moving the city itself.

Terry Cooke, former regional chair of Hamilton-Wentworth who now heads the Hamilton Community Foundation, believes light-rail could transform Hamilton.

"This is a once in a generation opportunity to change the city's economic base and land use planning."

It's clear Hamilton city planners and many residents are pinning their hopes for renewal on landing an east-west LRT line from Eastgate to McMaster University.

Business, environmental, neighbourhood and student groups have lined up behind light rail, which was also unanimously approved by city council as the preferred option.

They see LRT as a critical component to bringing people downtown to live, work and spend money, to linking key destinations, to bringing back ailing sections of the core, to enhancing the city's image as a progressive and growing city.

"The history of rail anywhere is that there is overwhelming evidence that you get major development across the corridor," said Don Hull, director of transit for the Hamilton Street Railway.

"It's a primary instigator of economic renewal. There are pros and cons on LRT, but everyone can agree on that."

Real estate agent Colette Cooper is already highlighting the light-rail project in her home listings, including a $479,000 home on King Street in the east end.

"Where I really see the city of Hamilton and properties benefitting is through central Hamilton. There are a lot of homes there that are undervalued," said Cooper.

She has sold homes to a half-dozen young families from Toronto in the last year who were looking for older houses in established neighbourhoods close to transit routes.

Jill Stephen, Hamilton's director of strategic planning, says LRT dovetails perfectly with other city-building initiatives, such as the Pan Am Games, the Gore Park master plan and redevelopment of the west harbourfront.

"Each are great projects on their own but you combine them and there is a greater chance for success. This isn't a transit project but a city-building project, just like the Pan Am Games aren't just about sports but about legacy benefits."

LRT is definitely a better tool for achieving development goals than its rubber-wheeled cousin, says Antonio Paez, an associate professor at McMaster University who studies urban transportation.

Light-rail attracts more diverse ridership, because trains are seen as higher status than buses, he says. In other words, while buses in Hamilton are heavily populated with students, seniors and those who can't afford a car, LRT is expected to land many riders who have a choice about how they travel. It's faster because it's separate from vehicle traffic.

As well, the permanence of rail tracks encourages higher-level investment along routes and beside stations.

Paez lived in Japan, where LRT stations are social and commercial hubs.

"It affects the optics of how it will help downtown Hamilton ... It would be nice to see people want to meet and have fun in the downtown."

But Barry Wellar, a retired University of Ottawa geography professor, says he would give an F to any student who argued that LRT automatically brings economic renewal.

"Light rail does not bring magic. It hasn't happened anywhere in the world."

He says in many cases taxpayers pay for the system and developers and land speculators cash in. All the pieces have to be in place to ensure broad renewal.

That includes drastically containing urban sprawl and allowing higher densities in the transit corridor.
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2010, 3:59 PM
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But Barry Wellar, a retired University of Ottawa geography professor, says he would give an F to any student who argued that LRT automatically brings economic renewal.

"Light rail does not bring magic. It hasn't happened anywhere in the world."

He says in many cases taxpayers pay for the system and developers and land speculators cash in. All the pieces have to be in place to ensure broad renewal.

That includes drastically containing urban sprawl and allowing higher densities in the transit corridor.
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Old Posted Mar 19, 2010, 1:23 PM
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Apparently Bob Bratina will present his Rapid Transit map that will cover the mountain to the GO Station within a month. Suppose to cost $500 million instead of 2 billion for both A and B-Line.
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Apparently Bob Bratina will present his Rapid Transit map that will cover the mountain to the GO Station within a month. Suppose to cost $500 million instead of 2 billion for both A and B-Line.
I wouldn't put too much stock in anything Bratina has to say. He hasn't had an intelligent thought since getting elected to council.
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2010, 1:29 AM
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I'm skeptical as well but hey I don't mind hearing about visions as long it's realistic.
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2010, 2:31 AM
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I'm skeptical as well but hey I don't mind hearing about visions as long it's realistic.
That was my point, being realistic. Don't forget this was the guy who wanted to put a fountain in the bay.
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Old Posted Mar 20, 2010, 2:33 AM
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Hey I don't mind the fountain idea, especially for West Harbourfront. Windsor and now London, Ontario has it and looks great.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2010, 2:34 PM
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Tomorrow is provincial budget day. Hopefully it'll include a reference of Hamilton's rapid transit.
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2010, 2:54 PM
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Tomorrow is provincial budget day. Hopefully it'll include a reference of Hamilton's rapid transit.
Should be interesting, considering the deficit they are facing...wonder if they will delay the investment?
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Old Posted Mar 24, 2010, 3:03 PM
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Obviously we won't get any funding for 2010. 2010 will be for EA ($3 million from Queen's Park), design and finalizing the plans for the B-Line. What would be nice is to hear from Queen's Park whether they'll fund LRT or BRT so the City can accurately plan out the B-Line during this year.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2010, 8:42 PM
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Should be interesting, considering the deficit they are facing...wonder if they will delay the investment?
Unfortunately, looks like the province is delaying some funding per the new budget:

"The Ontario government is delaying funding for major transit projects in the Greater Toronto Area"

No mention of Hamilton rapid transit funding, but will have to wait for more details.

source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nati...sit-projects-put-on-hold/article1510564/
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2010, 9:20 PM
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But it did say it'll fund transit projects for 2015 Pan Am Games. What are those transit projects? Dunno I'm looking.
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Old Posted Mar 25, 2010, 9:27 PM
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"Duncan also said that priority will be given to transit that will help support the 2015 Pan Am Games."

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontariobudge...-delay-transit-projects-as-deficit-soars
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I'm not at all surprised that no funding announcement was given. Toronto got shafted big time, too.
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Old Posted Mar 26, 2010, 11:10 AM
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Is city affected by transit lines delay?

March 26, 2010
Emma Reilly
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/742989

Ontario released plans in its budget yesterday that will mean significant delays in building new transit lines in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton area.

But city officials don't yet know what that means for Hamilton.

The province said yesterday it hopes to save $4 billion over the next five years by setting a new schedule to "phase" transit projects across the GTHA. However, officials remained unclear about which projects will be stalled.

Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said priority will be given to transit that will help support the 2015 Pan Am Games, which could mean good news for Hamilton.

However, Premier Dalton McGuinty said during his last visit to Hamilton that he sees the city's participation in the Games and its pitch for rapid transit funding as "separate issues."

According to a report released last month, Metrolinx planned for Hamilton's first rapid transit line to finish construction in 2014 and begin operating the next year, just in time for the Pan Am Games.

Jill Stephen, Hamilton's director of strategic planning and the city's key transit lieutenant, said it would be premature to comment about how Duncan's announcement will affect the timeline.

"We haven't heard whether it means any changes or no changes for us," she said.

Mayor Fred Eisenberger said Hamilton is "still in the queue" for rapid-transit funding.

"I think the opportunity to get the light rail that we're looking for is still very much alive," he said.

"Can it all come in the space of a couple of years? Probably not, but that was not our expectation in any event."

Duncan said rescheduling the transit plans is necessary because of other priorities.

"We have a deficit to be concerned about, we have schools to be concerned about, we have enormous investments in a cleaner environment," he said.

But the province will "continue to work with Metrolinx" to improve transit, he said.
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we have enormous investments in a cleaner environment
I find it humourous that this "priority" supercedes transit.

I'm guessing they aren't going to delay any road projects in order to fast-track the environmental projects....
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