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i was downtown last night and it was so dead around 8-9 pm

there was a band playing at robson square and the zip line was going still but no crowds just a typical saturday night, granville was also pretty quiet and lifeless, probably less than a typical saturday night

I heard the Royal Canadian Mint lineup was 3 hours instead of 6
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2010, 1:14 AM
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Apologies for the Olympics and Paralympics

While the 2010 Winter Olympics Closing Ceremonies was an embarrassing mess, the 2010 Paralympics Opening Ceremonies on Friday night was a tasteful affair that tugged at heartstrings.

Robyn Ludwig Posted: Mar 14th, 2010

In the two weeks since the Vancouver 2010 Winter Olympics ended, city crews have picked up the garbage, and rain has washed the alleys clean. But one strong stench lingers: the Closing Ceremonies. What should have been an inspiring final impression of Vancouver to the world was an embarrassing mess, unbefitting the newfound patriotism of our country.

The lone bright spot of the night came early, with Neil Young warbling “Long May You Run.” From there, the ceremonies devolved into clichés: William Shatner rehashed his tired routine from the Molson beer ads, the always-milquetoast Michael Bublé sang before a cadre of inflatable beavers, and SCTV-alumni Catherine O’Hara gave an inexcusably unfunny monologue on the Canadian tendency to over-apologize.

Equally uncomfortable were John Furlong butchering the French language for over ten minutes, Avril Lavigne singing the wildly inappropriate “Girlfriend,” and the blatantly lip-synched performances by Alanis Morissette and K-os. (No surprise, NBC aired a mercifully truncated version of the ceremonies, knowing American audiences would be frantically clicking over to Desperate Housewives.)

On the flip side, the 2010 Winter Paralympics Opening Ceremonies on Friday night was a tasteful affair that tugged at heartstrings. The cauldron was lit by 15-year old snowboarder (and amputee) Zach Beaumont, there were video tributes to Terry Fox and Rick Hansen, and disabled break-dancer Luca "Lazylegz" Patuelli brought the capacity-crowd at BC Place to its feet. The national anthem was sung by former paralympic athlete Terry Kelly and performed in sign language by White Rock's Mari Klassen.

Still, CTV chose to broadcast live the Opening Ceremonies only in B.C., leaving the rest of the country to watch a rebroadcast on Saturday afternoon. Televised coverage of the Games themselves will also be limited: CTV and its affiliates had more than 2,200 hours of coverage during the Olympics, but the Paralympics has been allotted a mere 27 hours in English. And the only live broadcasts will be of sledge hockey games involving Canada.

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http://www.vancouverobserver.com/culture/television/2010/03/14/apologies-olympics-and-paralympics
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Heres an interesting article discussing the problems Sochi faces for their games. This author states that Sochi may end up having the worst games ever, and he actually has some pretty good and valid reasons, unlike the British and their empty claims






The Olympic Test
09 March 2010
By Alexei Bayer

The Olympic flame in Vancouver has barely gone out and four years remain until the opening day of the next Winter Olympics in Sochi. But the first, most important race is already under way. From now until the closing ceremony on Feb. 23, 2014, the world will be on the edge of its seat, wondering whether Russia can pull it off.

The stakes for the Kremlin are huge. The Sochi Olympics are already different from most previous Winter Games, which were largely organized by local or regional authorities with only limited input from federal governments. Sochi, on the other hand, has always been a federal undertaking, driven by Vladimir Putin and controlled directly from Moscow. It is a national priority meant to showcase Russia’s accomplishments. In this respect, it is part of a long line of “propaganda Olympics,” which began in 1936 in Berlin and continued in Moscow in 1980, Seoul in 1988 and, most recently, Beijing two years ago.

If everything goes as planned, by 2014 Putin would already have reclaimed the presidency for a new, six-year term, which would mark his 15th year in power. Just like China’s authorities introduced “New China” to the world in 2008, Putin’s Olympics will put on display the system he has built — which is why I have so many doubts about the outcome.

Putin surely couldn’t have chosen a more challenging test for his system. Not only will all the athletic and tourist facilities and communications and transportation infrastructure be built from scratch, but it will be a winter event on a summer beach. There are many things that could go wrong — and knowing Russia’s history, most of them will.

It is also a major global event that will be held in direct proximity to a restive, lawless region where terrorism is a near-daily occurrence. Even though Canada is one of the world’s safest countries, the security tab in Vancouver still ran at more than one-third of the games’ initial budget.

Finally, it took a lot of chutzpah for the International Olympic Committee to pick Sochi. Heretofore, it had been an exclusive preserve of rich nations. Russia will be the poorest Winter Olympic host — even coming in below Yugoslavia, which hosted the 1984 games in Sarajevo.

Questions might arise about the structural soundness of a roof here and there, but the main facilities in Sochi are likely to be finished on time. Building large on an unlimited budget in an over-the-top, Dubai style has been a particular forte of the Putin system. Politically connected oligarchs working in Sochi, including Oleg Deripaska and Vladimir Potanin, have proven organizational skills. The money is also there, provided by Russian Railways, Sberbank, Rosneft and other state conglomerates. Even though Gazprom has reportedly balked at paying its $2 billion sponsorship, the budget is already estimated to be about $14 billion. Putin and other top officials make regular personal visits to Sochi to make sure that everything is on schedule.

But a successful Olympics is so much more than facilities and equipment. For many visitors the fun is not only attending the events but also seeing the host city, straying from the beaten path, discovering quaint local restaurants and driving around the countryside.

That is where problems will arise. Putin’s Russia functions relatively well for the wealthy who inhabit gated communities along Moscow’s elite Rublyovskoye Shosse, get chauffeured around pot holes and traffic jams in luxury limousines, eat at expensive restaurants and vacation abroad. For everyone else, the infrastructure of daily life is a lot sparser and tougher — and exponentially worse outside Moscow.

It will be interesting to see where the organizers find the kind of cheerful, multilingual volunteers who steered crowds to Olympic venues in Turin and Vancouver. They are probably not going to find them in Sochi. Sochi authorities already complained to Putin last year that locals don’t speak much English. But this is only part of the problem. More to the point, the Olympics have already disrupted and dismayed Sochi residents. Many have been displaced to make room for Olympic sites. The rest will have to live for the next four years on a construction site.

In most countries, Winter Olympics are staged to boost tourism and provide revenues for local businesses and services. But because there are so few small businesses, local restaurants, nice boutiques selling regional products and private hotels, Sochi residents will benefit very little from the Olympics. The lion’s share of visitors’ money will end up at large hotel and restaurant chains.

The Olympics is also about organization, and this could become the ultimate undoing of the Sochi games. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, the bureaucratic infrastructure in Russia has disintegrated. Or rather, it has been privatized. Officials at every level have stopped doing their jobs and have become more like feudal lords, using their position either to siphon money from the budget or get kickbacks from the people they are supposed to serve. In the Soviet Union, the bureaucracy was unwieldy and inefficient. Today, bureaucrats simply refuse to do anything unless they see an opportunity to make some money on the side.

The results are plain. Police don’t protect citizens but rob and harass them. Sports officials don’t generate Olympic victories but live high on the hog at international competitions. Sochi 2014 may very well earn the dishonorable distinction of being the costliest and most unsuccessful Olympic Games in history.

In 2008, the Beijing Olympics showed that China’s post-communist system, for all its problems and shortcomings, definitely works. Four years from now, the Sochi Olympics may reveal that the post-Soviet Russia, for all its pretensions, doesn’t.

Alexei Bayer, a native Muscovite, is a New York-based economist.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/the-olympic-test/401147.html
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should be interesting

my friend was looking it up cause he had olympic fever and he was like there are no flights and there are no hotels there!
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Don't tell the Brits ... they"ll start the negative press coverage before the games are even underway!
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^Actually, they already have started setting their gaze on Sochi.

In the meantime, they are still trashing Vancouver's Games, as well as Canadian athletes. This was published on Friday in the Guardian.

Amy Williams accuses Canadian Winter Olympics organisers of bias

• Amy Williams speaks out over lack of access to facilities
• 'Other began looking at it as the rest of the world v Canada'
guardian.co.uk, Friday 12 March 2010 10.17 GMT

The Winter Olympics skeleton champion Amy Williams has called for Olympic hosts to allow equal access to facilities in the run-up to a Games after describing the Canadian approach for Vancouver as "sad".

Williams won gold in the skeleton despite minimal access to the sliding track in Whistler, where the male Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili died on the eve of the Games. In contrast, the Canadians, including the women's skeleton world No1, Mellisa Hollingsworth, enjoyed the benefit of hundreds of runs.

"It is not right to compete against someone who has had 400 runs when you've only had 30, because to the athlete each run slows the process down in your head and your reactions get quicker," she told the Daily Mail. "I thought it was sad the way the Canadians acted.

"And what happened in the sliding sports was that the other nations began looking at it as the rest of the world versus Canada. You wanted your own country to win, but beyond that you didn't care who did as long as it wasn't Canada.

"The way the Canadians behaved united the rest and then they finished out of the medals in my event anyway. I hope people will now realise it is not fair. You should want to win but only if everybody has the same chance. It's not winning if you've given yourself an unfair advantage. The hosts should set out a level playing field, that's the point of the Olympics."

Williams also had to contend with Canadian claims that her helmet had illegal aerodynamic modifications on the eve of her gold-winning run. The protest failed and Williams says it was motivated by "sour grapes".

"It was only because Mellisa didn't win that they tried to claim my equipment was illegal," she said. "It was just sour grapes. I thought Mellisa was a friend but the Canadians could not bring themselves to say of me: 'She drove the best, she was dominating in training."'

guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2010
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"It was only because Mellisa didn't win that they tried to claim my equipment was illegal," she said. "It was just sour grapes. I thought Mellisa was a friend but the Canadians could not bring themselves to say of me: 'She drove the best, she was dominating in training."'
That sounds a lot like hypocrisy to me.

Williams: " Canadians are sore losers, how dare they accuse the helmet of being illegal! Sour grapes is what it is, they are just jealous because Melissa did not win!

British: " Those cheating Canadians. They won but only because they cheated and gave their team an unfair advantage in training."

Me: No sour grapes from you guys either hey? None at all? O.K, so your allowed to complain but Canadians are not.
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Nobody likes whiny athletes. Please go away, Amy Williams.

You get paid tax dollars to throw yourself down a hill in a sled. Dance, monkey, dance!
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^Actually, they already have started setting their gaze on Sochi.

In the meantime, they are still trashing Vancouver's Games, as well as Canadian athletes. This was published on Friday in the Guardian.

Amy Williams accuses Canadian Winter Olympics organisers of bias

• Amy Williams speaks out over lack of access to facilities
• 'Other began looking at it as the rest of the world v Canada'
guardian.co.uk, Friday 12 March 2010 10.17 GMT

The Winter Olympics skeleton champion Amy Williams has called for Olympic hosts to allow equal access to facilities in the run-up to a Games after describing the Canadian approach for Vancouver as "sad".

Williams won gold in the skeleton despite minimal access to the sliding track in Whistler, where the male Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili died on the eve of the Games. In contrast, the Canadians, including the women's skeleton world No1, Mellisa Hollingsworth, enjoyed the benefit of hundreds of runs.

"It is not right to compete against someone who has had 400 runs when you've only had 30, because to the athlete each run slows the process down in your head and your reactions get quicker," she told the Daily Mail. "I thought it was sad the way the Canadians acted.

"And what happened in the sliding sports was that the other nations began looking at it as the rest of the world versus Canada. You wanted your own country to win, but beyond that you didn't care who did as long as it wasn't Canada.

"The way the Canadians behaved united the rest and then they finished out of the medals in my event anyway. I hope people will now realise it is not fair. You should want to win but only if everybody has the same chance. It's not winning if you've given yourself an unfair advantage. The hosts should set out a level playing field, that's the point of the Olympics."

Williams also had to contend with Canadian claims that her helmet had illegal aerodynamic modifications on the eve of her gold-winning run. The protest failed and Williams says it was motivated by "sour grapes".

"It was only because Mellisa didn't win that they tried to claim my equipment was illegal," she said. "It was just sour grapes. I thought Mellisa was a friend but the Canadians could not bring themselves to say of me: 'She drove the best, she was dominating in training."'

guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2010
Funny thing is they need to complain to the IOC and the International Luge and Skeleton Federations. They are the ones that set the minimum amount of times an athlete must have on a track.

Sure Canada could of opened the doors and let everyone go on the track over and over again. But by the rules they only have to do it so many times. Nothing says Canada has to give more access. So if you want more access at future games talk to the governing bodies and not a Country.
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Funny thing is they need to complain to the IOC and the International Luge and Skeleton Federations. They are the ones that set the minimum amount of times an athlete must have on a track.

Sure Canada could of opened the doors and let everyone go on the track over and over again. But by the rules they only have to do it so many times. Nothing says Canada has to give more access. So if you want more access at future games talk to the governing bodies and not a Country.
Besides, after Russia's desire to do just as well in Sochi as we did here, do you think it's going to be any different 4 years from now?
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You do have to sympathize with Amy Williams' position. After all, the training imbalance did shatter her Olympic dream by forcing her to settle for a gold medal, while her Canadian competitor unfairly triumphed in fourth place. So, on the face of it, her complaint clearly has merit, and I think we would all be equally resentful if placed in the same position as her and a host nation's biased policy robbed us of fourth place and we recieved gold instead. So let's try to show a little sensitivity to the injustice she has had to endure.

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CTV to air Paralympic Closing Ceremony Live: http://www.ctvolympics.ca/paralympics/news/newsid=55440.html#ctv+rds+show+closing+ceremony+live

guess they heard from the viewers.
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my friend was looking it up cause he had olympic fever and he was like there are no flights and there are no hotels there!
I did the same as well. I definitely wanted to go to Sochi 2014 but it's hard to preplan when there are almost no affordable flights to Sochi Airport. I found one for $8800!!

And seriously, their website: http://sochi-airport.com/ is no better than your average wordpress blog. It's sad.
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My pictures of the Paralympic Cauldron.


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there was a small crowd down there today and CTV had a truck thing there perhaps to get the word out that its worth checking out again
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Isn't Russia building High speed rail from Moscow to Sochi? If so, probably the best way to get there would be fly to Moscow and take the train.

Now... about direct flights to Moscow...
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^ the current train ride from moscow to sochi can take up to 32 hours so i hope some form of high-speed rail is built (the distance between the two is 1,358km).

but no need to fly all the way to moscow. it would be much easier and faster to fly into Istanbul and take a ferry across the black sea over to Sochi. That's about a 12 hour ride and much more pleasant.

that's my plan if i go.
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Good idea.. possibly there are ferries from Odessa as well. I just checked and air fares seem cheaper to Istanbul than Odessa. You can get to Istanbul or Moscow from here in 1 stop, then either ferry or fly to Adler-Sochi.
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