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response to motion on safety/segregated cycling lanes... right now one problem is that they only seem to be looking at collisions as an indicator of safety, hopefully the consultant study will have a broader definition
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Bike lanes spur debate at City Hall
By JON WILLING, OTTAWA SUN
Last Updated: 6th January 2010, 3:46pm
http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/01/06/12367201.html

The idea of segregated bike lanes received some unlikely opposition Wednesday from a couple of cyclists at a city committee meeting.

As the transportation committee received a report proposing to study bike lanes, Alayne McGregor spoke out against segregated bike lanes, arguing they increase chances of collisions with vehicles at intersections.

McGregor, drawing on her experience using bike routes in Montreal, said drivers can’t see cyclists until the last minute at intersections. BIke lanes also leave no room for cyclists to avoid debris or broken pavement, she said.

Another outspoken cycling advocate, Charles Akben-Marchand, said he disagrees that segregated bike lanes are the answer to cycling safety. Akben-Marchand said it’s aggressive driving by motorists that causes many collisions with cyclists and pedestrians. The city should put more emphasis on education programs for cyclists and motorists, he said.

On the other hand, Diane Cox said she’s “shocked by the opposition” segregated bikes lanes have been receiving. She has collected roughly 2,000 signatures from people who want the lanes in Ottawa.

The committee agreed there should be a study done on whether segregated bike lanes could improve safety at high-risk locations in the city.

Capital Coun. Clive Doucet, who supports segregated bike lanes, said he’s “amazed” by the resistance shown by some cyclists. Segregated bike lanes are the “premier choice” for cities that are cycling-conscious, Doucet said.

The city this year is planning a pilot project of east-west segregated cycling lanes between Preston and Elgin streets. The details have not yet been worked out.

Doucet has been calling for the city to explore segregated bike lanes in the wake of a series of serious collisions involving cyclists in 2009.

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I don't know why anyone should be shocked or surprised that long-time cycling advocates don't like segregated bike lanes. If you decide to install them, they have to be accompanied by proper signalization at intersections, thought has to be given to how to get in and out of them (turns) and some kind of commitment made to keep them clear of snow and debris. Ottawa's track record (be it City or NCC) on the most basic aspects of this is not at all encouraging. Until someone at City Hall and the NCC decides to stop illegally dumping cyclists using pathways into pedestrian crosswalks, Ottawa has no business contemplating segregated bike lanes. They've even altered what were formerly safe crossings along former railways into unsafe ones (e.g. at Britannia, where they built a mound of earth to divert cyclists into an illegal crosswalk crossing, or in Stittsville where they planted trees to the same effect). Our bureaucrat engineers simply aren't mature enough to be trusted with the design of segregated bike lanes.

And it's rather quite rich for Diane Cox to be "shocked" at the opposition. She's known Alayne McGregor's and Charles Akben-Marchand's positions on segregated lanes for as long as she has been promoting them.
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It's funny how some people can't see the forest for the trees. The problem is not the segregated bike lanes, it's the intersections, so look at ways to make the intersections safer. If education is part of the solution, awareness of these intersections should be included.

Much like there are many types of roads for driving (parkways, freeways, arterials and residential streets), cycling advocates should endeavour to acquire different types of cycling facilities. "Segregated bike lanes" sound a little off to me, they should call them "urban bikeways" instead. These should be planned to compliment the recreational pathways and on street bike lanes, specifically to link commercial and business areas and make them more accessible by bicycle. I feel that this is what is missing in the city — while is great to circulate between the greenspaces throughout the region, cycling from Bank Street to the ByWard market remains an unpleasant experience.

I think it is stupid for these people to oppose urban bikeways because they are not meant to replace existing cycling facilities, but rather address issues that currently pose as barriers to the average cyclist.
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It's funny how some people can't see the forest for the trees. The problem is not the segregated bike lanes, it's the intersections, so look at ways to make the intersections safer.
Let's see how they deal with this pilot project. It's apparently going to run from Preston to Elgin, which suggests one of Somerset and Gladstone. Will they just put up a line of parking curbs along the lane lines and leave the intersections as is, or will they go out and install actual bicycle lane traffic signals tied into the rest of the traffic signals to deal with conflicting movements (esp. right-turning motor vehicles). They'll probably do the former.

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They have been dealing with the City and the RMOC and the NCC for so long that they have come to expect mediocre and poorly thought-out bicycle infrastructure, especially its off-street implementations. Getting bicycle through lanes marked out to the left of right turn lanes has been one of their few successes. Segregated bike lanes would basically undo that victory and there's no guarantee that it would be undone properly (with dedicated signals) because to do so requires more funding. They then have to decide whether to cycle in a dangerous facility or cycle on a narrowed road with ignorant motorists who are liable to yell at them for not using the bikeway. The current system of wide lanes and cycle lanes might not be the 'best' system compared to Copenhagen or the Netherlands, but it's better than some half-assed system of segregated cycle lanes without signals and confused notions of right-of-way. We already see this on roads without dedicated right turn lanes at intersections. Does a motorist turning right off Island Park Drive occupy the cycle lane or not? Occupy it and you block the lane; don't occupy it and you risk a collision with a cyclist coming from your blind spot when you do cross it.

An unfortunate reality is that the average cyclist doesn't know how to cycle in traffic. It's apparently too much to ask to apply the skills they learned in driving school to the operation of a bicycle. You'll find that basically all cyclists who are opposed to segregated cycling lanes have also taken CANBIKE II.
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The most logical solution to these potential problems raised in the last few posts is to ban turning right on a red light at every intersection which has a bike lane, coupled with installing seperate traffic signals for the cyclists.

This is what is done in Montreal, and it works quite well. It is less sophisticated than in Europe, but gets the job done.

As for snow removal, thats another story. I believe that Montreal is only experimenting with snow removal from bike lanes for the first time this winter, and it is only done on the principal bike lanes. So maybe Ottawa should follow the same timeline, by first experimenting with spring/summer/fall operation of cycling lanes, and removing them in the winter or using them to store snow, and only a few years later, once more Ottawa peeps are cycling, consider clearing them of snow in the winter.

As for complaints of avoiding broken glass and bad pavement, wow, talk about petty!!!
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An unfortunate reality is that the average cyclist doesn't know how to cycle in traffic. It's apparently too much to ask to apply the skills they learned in driving school to the operation of a bicycle. You'll find that basically all cyclists who are opposed to segregated cycling lanes have also taken CANBIKE II.
This strikes me as somewhat elitist view.

I am a fairly experienced cyclist and I think I handle myself pretty well on the road, but I have not taken a can-bike course.

If we want to get more people cycling, we need to provide people like my wife the ability to do so safely and comfortably. I'm sure that some would suggest that we just need to get everyone like my wife to take a can-bike course, and then ride on the road, but that's not realistic and it's missing the point.

Keep in mind this post of a little while back. We need to respond to the needs of people who are not currently cycling.

I don't understand what CfSC is trying to do by opposing this. If they're expert cyclists and want to ride on the road, go for it. But a lot of people don't want to do that, and if segregated lanes will get more people riding, then where's the harm?
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City's cyclists divided on use of segregated bike lanes
Posted Jan 22, 2010
BY DESMOND DEVOY
http://www.emcottawaeast.ca/20100122/news/City's+cyclists+divided+on+use+of+segregated+bike+lanes


EMC News - The city's cyclists appear divided on the notion of segregated bike lanes along area streets.

"Segregated cycling facilities are not a panacea," said Charles Akben-Marchand, a Centretown cyclist, during a presentation to the Transportation Committee meeting at Ottawa City Hall, 110 Laurier Avenue West in Centretown, on the morning of Wednesday, January 6. He pointed to the incident on July 19, 2009, when five cyclists were killed when they were hit by a mini van on March Road. "I disagree with this (segregated lanes). Cyclists were the victims, but they were the victims of bad driving. To suggest that we build separate paths for cyclists is to blame the victims."

Other cyclists present were very much in favour of their own lanes.

"I'm very shocked at the opposition it has received so far, but I suppose I shouldn't be," said Diane Cox of Cycling Vision Ottawa, who supports segregated lanes.

Cox pointed out that more than 2,000 people had already signed her group's petition calling for segregated bike lanes.

"They agree with our position that it is unsafe and insane to be cycling beside big vehicles," said Cox. "If you don't provide cyclists with segregated lanes...you won't get a large increase in the cycling population. We want to see an increase in cycling on our streets. The more cyclists you get on the road, the safer it is for cyclists."

Cox and Akben-Marchand were speaking out during a lively debate on a motion before the committee to ask staff to study "locations of potential pedestrian/cyclist vehicle conflict," and to see how these could be minimized, possibly by way of determining "whether segregated bike lanes would be appropriate in these locations to improve safety."

"I'm always amazed at the resistance there is amongst some cyclists," towards the notion, said Ward 17 (Capital) City Councillor Clive Doucet, speaking to his motion, which was later passed unanimously. It now goes before the full City Council for a vote on Wednesday, January 27.

Fellow councilor Jacques Legendre though (Ward 13, Rideau-Rockcliffe), agreed with Akben-Marchand that "bike lanes, segregated or not, is not a panacea." But he noted that when it comes to the notion of bike lanes, even with those who are opposed to them, "I get the impression that they're not keen on it, but they're not opposed to it."

"All cities around the world have dedicated bike lanes...I find it amazing that we still don't have any," said Coun. Doucet in defending his motion.

Coun. Doucet admitted that, every year in The Netherlands, one of the most bike-friendly nations on Earth, about 200 people are killed on bikes.

"At the end of the day, there will be cyclists killed on the roads, no matter what," Coun. Doucet said. "It's often hard not to get emotional about bike safety."

Coun. Doucet also pointed out that the City of Ottawa spent about $900 million on roads last year.

"How much of that went on cycling?" he asked. "It's time to make Ottawa safe for cyclists."

The meeting also heard that while he is a self-admitted "fair weather cyclist," Coun. Legendre admitted that he no longer uses the Cummings Bridge for cycling.

"I will absolutely not use that bridge," he said vehemently. "There is a bike lane painted on the uphill side of that bridge. There isn't one on the downhill side and that, frankly, is dangerous...I am terrified when I do it and I don't do it any more."

He explained his reasons for swearing off of the 100-year-old bridge as a cycling route.

"A cyclist can very easily go at the same speed as a car (that is) sharing the road," heading eastbound on the bridge, going downhill. "The car behind me is two or three metres (away). If I slip...and I tumble, there is no way that that vehicle can stop in time."

"If you refuse to use that bridge as a cyclist, what option do you have?" he asked.

He noted that while cyclists could use the St. Patrick Street bridge to the north or the Hurdman Bridge to the south, he repeated his call for a pedestrian footbridge across the Rideau River from Somerset Street East in Sandy Hill to Overbrook's Donald Street.
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Segregated cycling lane proposed for Gladstone Avenue
Friday, 22 January 2010
By Caitlin Brown
http://centretownnewsonline.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1331&Itemid=99

Julia Eskins, Centretown News

In an attempt to make Ottawa streets safer for cyclists, the city will be working on establishing segregated bike lanes on Gladstone Avenue.
City planners are examining Gladstone Avenue as the potential best option to implement an east-west segregated cycling route through Centretown. A cement curb, or vertical posts known as bollards, will separate cars and bicycles.

While the proposed initiative is aimed at providing a safer option for cyclists travelling downtown, it’s expected the idea will draw objections from car drivers.

The transportation committee passed a motion on Jan. 6 to commission a city-wide cycling safety review after last year’s unusually high number of cycling accidents in the city of Ottawa.

Gladstone Avenue is the favoured choice because it runs through Centretown from Preston to Elgin Street, Capital Ward Coun. Clive Doucet says.

But, there isn’t much room for an extra lane, he adds.

In order to accommodate segregated bike lanes, planners would have to take out street parking, says Pierre Johnson, assistant to Doucet.

That issue is where William Bruce, vice-chair of the Roads and Cycling Advisory Committee, says he expects a fight – no matter what location they choose.

“There’s a lot of people who are going to be up in arms if they’re going to lose their parking spots and if they’re going to lose a driving lane for cyclists,” he says.

Only 1.7 per cent of Ottawa’s population cycles as commuters, Doucet says.

That small number means cyclists can expect to go head-to-head with a lobby group of car drivers.

Bruce says drivers would be unlikely to approve of these big changes made just to benefit a small group of people.

According to Charles Akben-Marchand, chair of the transportation committee for the Centretown Community Citizens Association, segregated bike lanes aren't the only change needed to keep cyclists safer.

“There are still the intersections to contend with, and you still have to make sure people know how to use [the segregated lanes] as well,” says Akben-Marchand, a former president of Citizens for Safe Cycling.

It’s hard to put in a segregated lane without causing someone some distress, Doucet acknowledges.

But for Centretown, the narrow streets and side-street parking force cyclists to merge with automobile traffic – something not all cyclists know how to do safely, he says.

Last summer, a van struck five cyclists in Kanata in a bicycle lane proving just a separate lane for cyclists isn’t quite sufficient, Bruce says.

This, and other accidents in the collision-heavy year Ottawa has seen, prompted the roads and cycling advisory committee to demand a physical barrier between cars and bicycles.

Most of the accidents occur because the bicycle lanes are lacking safety features and road organization favours the car, Doucet says.

Last September, Melanie Harris was killed on Sussex Drive where a bike lane merges into a shared cycling and bus lane.

“Everyone has known for years that it was dangerous.

Thirty per cent of the cyclists are riding on the sidewalk because it is so dangerous,” Doucet says.

“She was obeying the law, but she got killed.”

Car drivers feel entitled to the road because we have a heavy automobile mentality here, Bruce says.

Doucet says he agrees, stating that we’ve built our society around driving for 50 years.

It’s hard to break 50 years worth of habit, he says.

Council expects city staff to report back with their route choice in April.
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Segregated cycling lane proposed for Gladstone Avenue
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http://centretownnewsonline.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1331&Itemid=99

Julia Eskins, Centretown News

In an attempt to make Ottawa streets safer for cyclists, the city will be working on establishing segregated bike lanes on Gladstone Avenue.
City planners are examining Gladstone Avenue as the potential best option to implement an east-west segregated cycling route through Centretown. A cement curb, or vertical posts known as bollards, will separate cars and bicycles.
I would love to know what they're going to do with all the accesses on Gladstone, as well as the intersections. As it happens, between Booth and Bronson there is a surprising number of automotive-related land uses.

Our streets, like Gladstone and Somerset, are not like the European streets that segregated bike lanes are typically found on. Vehicular accesses to buildings/properties are just not the issue that it is here. We'd probably be better off with a segregated bikeway down the middle of the road than lanes down its sides.

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Most of the accidents occur because the bicycle lanes are lacking safety features and road organization favours the car, Doucet says.

Last September, Melanie Harris was killed on Sussex Drive where a bike lane merges into a shared cycling and bus lane.

“Everyone has known for years that it was dangerous.

Thirty per cent of the cyclists are riding on the sidewalk because it is so dangerous,” Doucet says.

“She was obeying the law, but she got killed.”
This has gone too far. Deaths are always tragic, but the claim that she was obeying the law is just not true, as is the claim that she was on a bike lane.

This is the approximate site of the collision. She came up that narrow concrete path - which is clearly a footpath - went across the sidewalk, down over the curb onto the street and into the path of the STO bus. Simply put, she entered a roadway without yielding to traffic in the roadway.

There are definite cycling safety issues along this stretch of Sussex (which is perhaps what Doucet is alluding to), including the buses/bus stops as well as dealing with changing lanes at the forced right turn at King Edward, but that diagonal footpath that joins the sidewalk is not one of them. A redesign is definitely in order to figure out how to get cyclists past the buses and how to get right-turning car traffic past the cyclists, but concentrating on dealing with that footpath is not going to help the vast majority of cyclists who use this stretch of Rideau every day. If there's somewhere we should be experimenting with segregated bike lanes to solve actual problems, this would be a pretty good place to start.
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some EU bus/cycling guidelines
http://www.presto-cycling.eu/images/fact...0sheet%20on%20bicycles%20and%20buses.pdf

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Overview: Mixing bicycles and buses is a safety issue. Ideally, cycle routes should be created away from
bus routes, but this is not always possible in dense urban areas. On 30 km/h roads bicycles and
buses can safely mix, at higher speeds they should be separated. Bus/bike lanes can strengthen
the network with additional shortcuts, but only at low speeds, on short stretches and with
careful design to ensure safety. They should not be used as a way to avoid tough choices.
status update on the segregated cycling lane pilot project study at the next roads and cycling advisory committee meeting (link just goes to agenda, no documents posted online)
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/a-rcac/2010/03-15/agendaindex21.htm

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While at the Meeting about the Soeurs de la Visitation, they announced that Bixi, the bike renting service, will launch in Ottawa with 300-400 stations ranging at least as far as Westboro.

This will be a great addition to Ottawa!

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I knew that Bixi's plan was to have complete coverage of whatever area they designate the core with no station further than 200 meters walking (or biking) distance from the last. I didn't know that the area they would cover would extend to Westboro - no wonder it's hundreds of stations!
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While at the Meeting about the Soeurs de la Visitation, they announced that Bixi, the bike renting service, will launch in Ottawa with 300-400 stations ranging at least as far as Westboro.

This will be a great addition to Ottawa!


What do you mean by 'will launch'... I thought there were already some trial stations downtown? or do they mean an 'official' launch?
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What do you mean by 'will launch'... I thought there were already some trial stations downtown? or do they mean an 'official' launch?
Last year was just a limited trial - only six locations, and not quite sticking to their one-per-200 meter plan. Clearly they feel that it was successful.

Edit: Now that I think about it, the Bixi business plan for downtown Ottawa seems remarkably similar to the Shoppers Drug Mart plan.

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Edit: Now that I think about it, the Bixi business plan for downtown Ottawa seems remarkably similar to the Shoppers Drug Mart plan.
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Segregated Bike Lane Pilot Project

The City of Ottawa, in partnership with consultants McCormick Rankin, is conducting a planning study for a segregated bike lane pilot project in the downtown core scheduled for implementation during the 2010 cycling season. This council directed project represents a strategic initiative to improve the quality of life for Ottawa residents, benefit local businesses, improve safety for cyclists and attract a broader group of cyclists including women, children and the elderly.

The planning phase of this project will take place between March and June 2010. The study area is from Preston Street to Elgin Street and Wellington Street to Catherine Street. The study will determine what east-west downtown streets are best suited for a pilot project and what type of facility is most appropriate.

Consultations with public stakeholder groups and a public open house will take place before results of the study are presented to the Transportation Committee in May or June 2010.

If you have questions about this study, please contact:
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Cycling Projects Coordinator
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City of Ottawa
110 Laurier Avenue West
Ottawa, ON, K1P 1J1
Tel: 613-580-2424, ext. 21827
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I wonder if BIXI will release some kind of student card so that high school students can rent bikes without a credit card. Does something like that already exist in an other city?

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The City of Ottawa, in partnership with consultants McCormick Rankin,
This is starting off well...

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Wait (ok, poor choice of word), we're going to study this first? Just how in blazes do they propose to "implement" the project during the 2010 cycling season if they're going to study it first?

Perhaps the answer lies below...

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This council directed project represents a strategic initiative to improve the quality of life for Ottawa residents, benefit local businesses, improve safety for cyclists and attract a broader group of cyclists including women, children and the elderly.

The planning phase of this project will take place between March and June 2010. The study area is from Preston Street to Elgin Street and Wellington Street to Catherine Street. The study will determine what east-west downtown streets are best suited for a pilot project and what type of facility is most appropriate.
Ok, marvellous. We're going to be studying/planning during the spring months when people are beginning to go about cycling. Couldn't we have been doing this for the last few months?

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No one believes it will be May. It'll be June.

Why not just turn it into a full EA while we're at it.

Unless this project consists of nothing other than using Jersey barricades or parking lot curbs, this won't be ready to try out before August.
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