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Originally Posted by scottharding
Taken me a couple of days to check in again. I know the conversation has steered away, but I want to rebuttle. Not to argue, but to clarify.
I don't see where from my post you got the notion that I think Salt Lake county is in much better shape than Utah county. Nor did I ever call Utah County folk rednecks. I said they have a suburban mentality. That doesn't make them back-woods hicks, it makes them typical of the demographic that dominates Utah County's population.
I'm very familiar with Utah County. I am well aware that the largest dinoraur museum as at Thanksgiving Point. I'm aware of what Point of the Mountain offers. It's interesting that you mention the Sucker Fish of Utah Lake in the midst of the debate over a bridge running over Utah Lake.
yes, I know that Utah County has some good things. I mentioned in my post that I think Downtown Provo and the UVU area are both very nice places. But my point was that, like so many cities that sprawled over the last several decades, there are areas that are poorly planned and very undesirable, despite being the centers of a populated area. State Street and Center street in Orem are optimum examples. Utah County is going to continue to grow at a pace that is way ahead of the national average, no doubt. And with that growth coming, why not improve the cities that exist, rather than continue to sprawl out in all directions, at the cost of the beauty of the area. I think Utah Lake is Utah Counties defining natural characteristic, and to run a bridge over it and build neighborhoods on all sides is a mistake.
My opinion.
Salt Lake City (not the county) despite it's many flaws, has developed a mentality of becoming better from within. It aspires to be a world-class city, however far from that it may be at this time. I think that's a good thing, a notion that citizens can rally around and participate in. But it requires recognizing the difference between smart growth and sprawl.
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scott--
i'm glad you clarified your position on this. although, now you can see why ole poodledoodledude takes offense when i hear comments like: utah county is a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 hole of a place to live, work, and play.
um...that cuts deep sometimes to those of us that DO live, work, and play down here. maybe i'm taking this a bit too personally, but yeah, i live, work and play down here and i like it...so, in your eyes, that must mean, that poodledoodledude likes living and working and playing in a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 hole. if you DO think that: fine. but i disagree with it on SO many levels. are there things in utah county i would LOVE to change: YES!!!!!!! LOTS OF THINGS!!! but, i also have to look at the positive and build from there. i may be getting a bit too "polyannish" on you, but it's still my little county, and i feel like i have to defend it in some ways. i also like to think that utah county still has a sense of "ownership" for me, and since i and am involved with all sorts of community events/goings on, and i feel like i can see the bigger picture for what it IS, rather than what it is NOT.
again, i totally see your point about development. but in your previous comment, all the things mentioned about utah valley, you could EASILY replace with salt lake valley--or any other bigger valley in utah...i just got defensive because you singled out utah county, and not others. hence, ole poodledoodledude came to the defense of "gods little acre" (as my mother would say....ugh
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but, yes, from a development standpoint, i'd say DOWNTOWN salt lake is feeling a bit urbanized. but that happens over time: as cities grow and run out of land, they have to go up and think 'outside' the box for ideas on development, etc.
do i think my little salt lake valley is a WORLD CLASS CITY?! absolutely NOT. to me, a world class city is one that is really developed and LOTS of things going on: paris, rome, london, tokyo, sydney, new york, chicago, miami, las vegas. salt lake is NOT one of those, and to compare them with THOSE cities, is being VERY generous. that's like comparing provo to denver, seattle, or atlanta. pppffftt....
do i think that salt lake city COULD become a WORLD CLASS CITY: absolutely!!! over time, it will get better. the Olympics helped. but it has a ways to go still. to me, salt lake is an important city to the intermountain region, just like provo is important for utah.
k, off my soapbox.
poodledoodledude
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, but I'm pretty certain the earth has been fully explored. the Sadi Arabian peninsula, which had the largest oil reserve, has already moved to off shore drilling. Off shore drilling is a very risky and expensive process. It is a 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵; most of the time this type of drilling is not cost effective. Having so much faith in the unknown seems a little irresponsible.
) but there are 130 years worth of oil (current consumption) in the sands out by Vernal.
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