SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA: Transit/Transportation News

[LtBk]

From the posts I read in this thread and elsewhere, you think a liberal city and region will have a good transit, but it seems to be the opposite. Can SF and the Bay Area do anything right?

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by LtBk

Can SF and the Bay Area do anything right?

Yes, we make lots of money.

LOL

[fflint]

Eliminating San Francisco from the SF-LA HSR system is an idea so stupid I don't even know where to start.

[Reminiscence]

This idea is absolutely ridiculous. These people need to be silenced for even bringing it up.

[BTinSF]

Quentin Kopp seems to be behind a lot of this and I must say I don't understand it. It's like he is taking revenge on his former home town for some reason. What did we do to him?

Frankly, I think if they didn't initially build the part of the system between SF and San Jose, it would inevitably get built anyway (and cost more when it does). It's so obviously an essential part of the project. One wonders what percentage of passengers would want to use the system if it did not go city center LA to city center SF.

[BTinSF]

Originally Posted by LtBk

From the posts I read in this thread and elsewhere, you think a liberal city and region will have a good transit, but it seems to be the opposite. Can SF and the Bay Area do anything right?

We DO have good transit. Just not as good as we need and want, or as good as the rhetoric of our politicians tries to convince us we have. San Francisco in particular has a legal "transit first policy" and yet transit is not supported or given priority in so many ways that it could be (e.g. as simple a thing as why are commercial trucks allowed to double park blocking bus routes?). But its still better than all but a couple of other US cities making SF one of the few cities in the US where it's very feasible to live car-free (I do it and many of my friends do it).

[TheRealRocWill]

Feds deny $70 million in stimulus money for BART rail extension to Oakland airport
By Denis Cuff
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 02/12/2010 08:41:38 PM PST
Updated: 02/12/2010 10:42:19 PM PST

BART's plan for a rail extension to the Oakland International Airport was dealt a major blow Friday when the federal government denied $70 million in economic stimulus funds for the project because of concerns it may discriminate against low-income and minority residents.

In a blunt letter, the Federal Transit Administration said it was pulling the plug on the grant because BART cannot possibly meet deadlines for a required analysis to determine whether the $492 million project has discriminatory impacts. The study is required for major transit projects to get federal funds.

"I am required to now inform you that the plan is rejected," Peter Rogoff, administrator of the federal agency, wrote in a two-page letter to BART General Manager Dorothy Dugger.

Dugger could not be reached immediately for comment, and a BART spokesman said Friday night the agency was preparing a response....

http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_14393883

[LtBk]

Originally Posted by BTinSF

We DO have good transit. Just not as good as we need and want, or as good as the rhetoric of our politicians tries to convince us we have. San Francisco in particular has a legal "transit first policy" and yet transit is not supported or given priority in so many ways that it could be (e.g. as simple a thing as why are commercial trucks allowed to double park blocking bus routes?). But its still better than all but a couple of other US cities making SF one of the few cities in the US where it's very feasible to live car-free (I do it and many of my friends do it).

Than why bothering have transit first policy if the city can't improve it?

[nequidnimis]

Originally Posted by TheRealRocWill

Feds deny $70 million in stimulus money for BART rail extension to Oakland airport
By Denis Cuff
Contra Costa Times
Posted: 02/12/2010 08:41:38 PM PST
Updated: 02/12/2010 10:42:19 PM PST

BART's plan for a rail extension to the Oakland International Airport was dealt a major blow Friday when the federal government denied $70 million in economic stimulus funds for the project because of concerns it may discriminate against low-income and minority residents.

In a blunt letter, the Federal Transit Administration said it was pulling the plug on the grant because BART cannot possibly meet deadlines for a required analysis to determine whether the $492 million project has discriminatory impacts. The study is required for major transit projects to get federal funds.

"I am required to now inform you that the plan is rejected," Peter Rogoff, administrator of the federal agency, wrote in a two-page letter to BART General Manager Dorothy Dugger.

Dugger could not be reached immediately for comment, and a BART spokesman said Friday night the agency was preparing a response....

http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_14393883

Oaklanders should have voted for Obama. Oh wait... they did!

[Reminiscence]

I don't think the lost cause that was the BART airport connector is such a big deal, it's not like it's absolutely essential. They should just reallocate the money for some other more important cause. Losing it period, now that would be a disappointment.

[electricron]

Originally Posted by Reminiscence

I don't think the lost cause that was the BART airport connector is such a big deal, it's not like it's absolutely essential. They should just reallocate the money for some other more important cause. Losing it period, now that would be a disappointment.

The stimulus funds were allocated for specific "ready to go" projects. If the money wasn't spent on that project, it's supposed to be returned to the Feds.

In other words, BART should lose those funds to be fair for every other local transit agency that didn't get any stimulus funds for projects. Those funds should then be allocated to the next projects on the DOT's list.

[Gordo]

^I assume he's talking about the $300M+ funds from this project that were not stimulus funds, but were funds raided from other local sources to try and snag the stimulus funds. My hope is that funds go back to where they were (mostly capital budgets of AC Transit, Caltrain, and VTA), and don't just land in the operating budgets of some of the local agencies. The stimulus funding only accounted for $70M of the $500M total.

[fflint]

This does not bode well for the looming Muni doomsday cuts...

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Muni operators reject concessions

Rachel Gordon, Michael Cabanatuan, Chronicle Staff Writers
Tuesday, February 16, 2010

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/02/16/BA3J1C2MGG.DTL#ixzz0fm6750xY

Muni operators resoundingly rejected on Tuesday a package of negotiated labor concessions intended to save nearly $15 million in operating expenses over two years - money intended to stop a proposed increase in discounted passes for seniors, youth and the disabled and to blunt service cuts, according to the agency's top official.

"I'm very disappointed with the outcome of the union membership's vote regarding the labor negotiations," said Nathaniel Ford, executive director of the Municipal Transportation Agency. "We are trying to avert fare increases and further cuts that will affect our riders."

Union President Irwin Lum had signed off on the deal after several days of closed-door negotiations with Mayor Gavin Newsom, Muni management and the union's executive committee.

After the ratification vote, Lum said a majority of his members believed that benefits to riders - especially seniors, the disabled and youths - were not guaranteed and would be short term.

He also said operators wanted protections against layoffs, which were not part of the proposed deal.

"Our members have made it clear from the vote itself that these are concerns and issues that are bottom line for us before anything can be ratified in the future," Lum said.

Ford provided the tally to The Chronicle: 575 in favor and 857 against. The union represents about 2,000 operators.

Ford said he has a meeting scheduled with Lum today and will see what, if any, additional steps can be taken to try to salvage the plan.

Muni's governing board is scheduled to vote Feb. 26 on a budget-balancing plan to close a projected $16.9 million deficit for the current fiscal year. Later, directors must address a projected $53 million deficit for the budget cycle that begins July 1.

Agency officials had wanted to use the proposed labor concessions to undo this year's plans to double the cost of the discounted passes to $30 and to reduce the proposed 10 percent systemwide service cuts to 8 percent.

The biggest cost saver under the proposal would have required operators to make a one-time contribution to their pension fund that would save $8.9 million.

Another component called for a change in overtime rules that would have prohibited drivers from earning higher overtime pay until they first log 40 regular hours on their weekly timecard.

As it now stands, Muni operators still will receive an automatic raise next year totaling $8 million.

Their salary is set by a formula outlined in the City Charter that guarantees them the second-highest salaries among transit operators in the nation.

Supervisor Sean Elsbernd said he will start collecting signatures for a ballot initiative to undo the minimum salary mandate and force Muni operators to negotiate their pay through collective bargaining.

"Now we're going to go out there and hit the streets," Elsbernd said. "City Hall has proven it's not up to the challenge, but I guarantee you it is something that the public wants us to do."

[BTinSF]

Go Sean!

[Reminiscence]

Funds for BART airport extension reallocated

Thursday, February 18, 2010

(02-18) 09:04 PST Oakland, Calif. (AP) --

Officials say $70 million in federal funding denied to the Bay Area Rapid Transit Agency for an extension to the Oakland International Airport will be reallocated for regional rail and bus improvements.

The Metropolitan Transportation Commission said Wednesday BART will get $17 million for other projects, including replacing seat cushions and flooring in some train cars.

The Santa Clara Valley Transit Authority is getting $12 million to replace hybrid buses. Other funds will go to Caltrain for seismic upgrades on railroad bridges and the Alameda-Contra Costa Transit District for bus maintenance.

Federal officials last week rejected BART's request to use the $70 million for the airport extension. They said the agency could not meet deadlines for a required study of the project's impact on minority residents.

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Information from: Contra Costa Times

Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/02/18/state/n090420S85.DTL&tsp=1

[BTinSF]

Friday, February 19, 2010
Peninsula cities prep to question rail plan
San Francisco Business Times - by Eric Young

Ahead of a pivotal report due next month, cities along the Peninsula are gearing up to do battle with state bullet-train planners.

A report by the California High-Speed Rail Authority will give the first substantial analysis of the likely track alignment between San Francisco and San Jose. Many Peninsula city officials want large sections of the bullet train tracks to run underground. But they fear the report will suggest that most — or all — of the track be placed at grade or elevated along berms, which are less expensive options . . . .

Palo Alto, where bullet train planners might want to place a station, has set aside a $130,000 war chest to challenge the state’s report and to lobby for its interests among Sacramento lawmakers . . . .

The state’s report, called an alternatives analysis, will discuss which route is most feasible for the $8 billion, 48-mile section planned between San Francisco and San Jose. Last year, high-speed train planners said they would consider placing up to 20 miles of track in a trench or tunnel.

Cities like Millbrae, Redwood City, Atherton, Menlo Park, Palo Alto and Mountain View prefer that a bullet train run below ground, fearing excessive noise, vibration and visual blight if it runs above ground.

But tunneling is the most expensive option . . . .

Source: http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2010/02/22/story6.html

[nequidnimis]

Originally Posted by BTinSF

But tunneling is the most expensive option.

It may not be the most expensive option if you take future property tax revenue into account. I favor the tunneling option, but the municipalities should pick up at least part of the extra cost. Berkeley picked up the entire cost of burying BART.

[Gordo]

Originally Posted by nequidnimis

It may not be the most expensive option if you take future property tax revenue into account. I favor the tunneling option, but the municipalities should pick up at least part of the extra cost. Berkeley picked up the entire cost of burying BART.

You favor it for the entire peninsula?

Unless we're talking about building a bunch of new construction on top of the tunnels or around the current ROW which would not be built without a tunnel, I can't imagine future property tax revenues to rise by much, if at all, especially since land all around the ROW is already built up and owned (and thus has property tax valuations set in stone).

In fact, with the way that prop 13 works, if not tunneling causes a bunch of people close to the tracks to sell (and thus brings the valuations of their properties into the present day), even if those properties are worth less than they are right now, the turnover would still probably bring in a lot more property tax revenue.

Now, if we're talking about massive new dense development near the tracks or on top of the tracks, then I can see your point, but I'd be curious A. how possible that is (from an engineering standpoint, cost standpoint, and NIMBY standpoint) and B. how much development would happen without the tunnel option.

[pesto]

This is the same discussion as before. SF seems to be oblivious to SJ and the Peninsula being angry about HSR. The choices are mitigate (tunnel), stop in SJ or go East Bay. Disregarding the interests of the 85 percent of the Bay Area that do not live in SF is not a politically wise move if you really want to see HSR in California and improved transit around the Bay.

Hopefully the HSR people show more political acumen.

[Gordo]

Originally Posted by pesto

This is the same discussion as before. SF seems to be oblivious to SJ and the Peninsula being angry about HSR. The choices are mitigate (tunnel), stop in SJ or go East Bay. Disregarding the interests of the 85 percent of the Bay Area that do not live in SF is not a politically wise move if you really want to see HSR in California and improved transit around the Bay.

Hopefully the HSR people show more political acumen.

???

What is your basis for those "choices?"

Mitigate = what's being discussed now, and MORE cities on the peninsula don't seem to care one way or the other compared to the few that do care. You seem to be thinking that because Menlo Park, Atherton, and Palo Alto are throwing a slight temper tantrum that everyone is - but that simply isn't the case. Redwood City, San Mateo, Millbrae, etc, haven't said one negative word. The cities that are fine with things so far make up more than 80% of the population of the peninsula.

Stop in SJ = impossible without new proposition

East Bay = impossible without new proposition, and not being discussed by anyone, including the press

You're acting as if there is some kind of momentum building for stopping HSR without it entering SF - where are you getting this from? Do you seriously think a new (statewide) proposition passes for stopping the train in SJ? How would that help the 85% of the Bay Area that doesn't live in SF? Wouldn't that simply hurt the 80% of the Bay Area that lives north of SJ? "Disregarding the interests of 85% of the Bay Area that doesn't live in SF" got prop 1A more than 60% of the Bay Area-wide vote. Are you assuming that because Palo Alto wants a tunnel that now Concord is against it? Oakland has swapped sides because Atherton doesn't want the train at all? Are there folks somewhere collecting signatures for a new proposition that we haven't heard about?

I'm thoroughly confused at your logic on this one.