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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 7:42 PM
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CKNW reports C-Line reached 200,000 plus customers every day this week. Record number for streetcar as well.

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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 7:46 PM
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First thing my wife said when connecting between Waterfront and... Waterfront was: "Why don't they just connect the two stations together?"

The connection is far from clear and convenient. It's not much of a connection, really.

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While I agree the connection is far from clear. But it is still short distance enough. There is some big city subway's connection that makes you walk (or hike) for up to 10 minutes to reach another part of the station.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 8:18 PM
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I love this from CKNW

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Vancouver's Olympic line 2010 streetcar has also reached a record ridership of 23 thousand trips in one day, making it busier than Seattle and Portland's streetcar networks.
A 1.6km single track line with two cars is busier than Seattle and Portland's streetcar networks. Amazing.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 8:26 PM
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Well, any ridership statistic for that line is pretty much meaningless.

There are a quarter million tourists in town, and the line is free.

Take them away, and add a fee, and you'll probably only see maybe a couple of thousands, during the Summer.
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 9:28 PM
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Imagine if Vancouver City Centre Station and Granville Station had been combined - all of the crods would be in one station.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 9:37 PM
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Well, any ridership statistic for that line is pretty much meaningless.

There are a quarter million tourists in town, and the line is free.

Take them away, and add a fee, and you'll probably only see maybe a couple of thousands, during the Summer.
isn't portlands street car free for most of it?
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 10:06 PM
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From Straight: TransLink caters to Olympic “guests” while locals miss the bus

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By Martin Dunphy
No matter your feelings about the Olympics in Vancouver, if you are honest you have to admit that some inconvenience for Vancouver residents is inevitable. For drivers, this could mean restricted on-street parking, closed streets and bridges, and no-go lanes on major thoroughfares. For transit users, the most common are crushingly packed SkyTrain cars and buses flying past stops with their "Sorry Bus Full" or "Sorry Out Of Service" messages flashing. But TransLink officials seem to have dropped the ball when it comes to Vancouver's citizens.

Transit executives have had several years to plan for the crowds of Olympic "guests", and to develop strategies to lessen the impact of that horde on Vancouverites. They knew approximately how many to expect and how many tickets have been sold for various events, in order to lay on extra buses as they do with the PNE. for example. They announced that mothballed or just unused buses were being serviced and put into operation. They were bringing hundreds of buses up from the U.S. Everything was taken care of.

But try getting a bus downtown from Hastings and Nanaimo streets, as I recently attempted. If there is anything going on at the Pacific Coliseum, every transit bus that comes by is packed with Olympic guests riding free. After the seventh pass-up, i was forced to go in almost the opposite direction, to a SkyTrain station. From there, I rode the sardine can down to Broadway and Commercial Drive, where I waited in line with about 200 others to catch a 99-B bus heading west.

Delays are common, and that is to be expected, but often when your bus arrives you are told that it isn't going as far as it normally does. It has been "short-turned" to put it back into service downtown or on an artery feeding a Games venue, like UBC or the Pacific Coliseum. Once again, the resident is pushed aside in favour of the guests--and has to endure another wait for a bus that might fly past or get short-turned. Or you have, perhaps, a long walk.

We can alter our habits somewhat to try and cope with this--like trying to change working hours and avoiding the downtown core and areas around venues--but we have every right to join the party too. And we have appointments to keep and family and friends to visit.

A recent incident illustrates the unthinking thoughtlessness of transit officials. I was taking my son to his regular tutor appointment near Oakridge Centre. Because of the long waits for the Canada Line downtown--which would have taken us directly across the street from his tutor--we planned a three-bus route away from guest-frequented attractions and Games venues. We had to catch our third bus southbound at the intersection of King Edwards Avenue and Cambie Street. I knew this was close to the curling arena near Queen Elizabeth Park, but the Canada Line stop at King Edward was the guests' disenbarkation point, so there should have been no bus problems. Outside the station I counted no less than 14 blue-coated volunteers--including one sitting atop a lifeguard-style chair and bellowing through a megaphone--holding signs that pointed guests in the direction of the curling venue.

We crossed King Edward and walked up to the bus shelter. And waited. And waited. I had allowed for an extre half-hour travel time even though I had already added more time for the circuitous route. Still no bus. Finally, the #15 Cambie hove into view. And flew right by, only half full, with the driver looking right at me as I attempted to flag him down. Now we were going to be late, despite my planning. Another wait and another bus went by, again half full. Then I happened to notice, among the plethora of new parking- and stopping-restriction signs and the Olympic lane placards, a small notice on a lamppost that said "Transit Alert". With a sinking heart I walked up to read the fine print, which advised that this stop was closed for the Games and to backtrack across King Edward and board one block farther north.

All that had to be done was to post this notice, in a larger size, at the connecting-bus stops and the Canada Line exit for Vancouverites to not waste their time and lose their patience.

Back across the street, I approached a volunteer with a large card around her neck that identified her as a "Transit Volunteer". I told her that what had happened to me would happen to many other people, every day, until the Games were over, and that it could be rectified by simply moving the sign. She asked me if the buses that didn't stop were full. I said no, and she promptly flashed me a weak smile and turned away from me. I thought, "Well, she's not here to help me; after all, I'm not a guest." So we went around the corner just in time to see our bus pull away from the new stop. We were officially late, and after setting out an hour-and-a-half ago.

While waiting on the bench, I counted 17 empty passenger coaches cruise by, all for the guests. Finally a #15 pulled up--and kept going, Its "Sorry Out Of Service" message mocking us. When our bus did come, I was too exasperated to even feel any gratitude.

As we went by the original stop, I saw three or four people furiously trying to flag down the driver, who merely glanced at them and drove on.

If you are hosting a party, you expect your guests' needs to come first. You feed them and serve them drinks, and you know you will have to clean up when they finally go home. But you should be able to expect to be treated thoughtfully for your trouble.

And TransLink is not doing that.
http://www.straight.com/article-291976/v...rts-olympic-guests-while-locals-miss-bus

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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 10:13 PM
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isn't portlands street car free for most of it?
Portland has the Free Rail Zone (formerly known as "Fareless Square") in the downtown core within which passengers on their LRT or Streetcar can ride for free.

Yes, they have an extensive LRT system "MAX Light Rail" AND the Portland Streetcar system, each operating on their own downtown trackage.


Calgary also has free rides on it's LRT between stations along the 7th Avenue transit corridor.
     
     
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yah i've been on all that portland has to offer oh excpet for the tram trying to get a ticket proved too difficult

transit local users - thats why you should have gone to hawaii
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 10:25 PM
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Amazing that the rail lines continue to run smoothly, day after day, moving far more people than they were designed for.

This coming weekend will be the peak for ridership, with excellent weather and rising enthusiasm for the Olympics, plus more events taking place than last weekend. Downtown is going to be insane.

There will be worldwide headlines if we have a SkyTrain snafu, now that everyone has learned to rely on the system.


^ Edit to comment on the Georgia Strait letter: I have no patience for articles like that. This is someone denying responsibility for their own bad decisions. If you had an extra half-hour to get to your destination, then why wouldn't you allocate that half-hour to lining up for the Canada Line that you usually take, knowing it will be the most reliable service even if it has waits?
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 10:26 PM
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yah i've been on all that portland has to offer oh excpet for the tram trying to get a ticket proved too difficult

transit local users - thats why you should have gone to hawaii
It seems enough people left town to make a noticeable reduction in the commuting traffic. Or lots of working people are having a 'stay-cation' and watching everything on CTV and NBC.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 10:29 PM
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i've been seeing those special white busses driving around - most of them are empty or i saw one yesterday it had 2 volunteers in it
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 10:47 PM
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i've been seeing those special white busses driving around - most of them are empty or i saw one yesterday it had 2 volunteers in it
Those are the buses imported from the states, along with the imported drivers who get lost easily. At least those are the drivers who haven't quit already & gone back home.

Local bus fans are probably enjoying seeing odd bus equipment that Translink will never be running, but they are the only people smiling at this invasion of the white buses.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 10:52 PM
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^ Edit to comment on the Georgia Strait letter: I have no patience for articles like that. This is someone denying responsibility for their own bad decisions. If you had an extra half-hour to get to your destination, then why wouldn't you allocate that half-hour to lining up for the Canada Line that you usually take, knowing it will be the most reliable service even if it has waits?
I agree.
And he blames TransLink when he doesn't see the sign that is in plain sight (all those transit notices are the same - if he's a regular bus rider he should recognize it).
The other thing is that he doesn't differentiate between the Olympic Bus Network and TransLink. If the "coaches" he refers to are the OBN, then it's like standing at a bus stop and swearing and cursing because the Greyhound bus doesn't pick you up.
     
     
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Local bus fans are probably enjoying seeing odd bus equipment that Translink will never be running, but they are the only people smiling at this invasion of the white buses.
I rode an odd Mark 1 last night.. had plaques on it about being used by Belgium royalty or some such. I didn't get around to taking a picture. I also saw car 001.. not sure if either are notable.
     
     
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I rode an odd Mark 1 last night.. had plaques on it about being used by Belgium royalty or some such. I didn't get around to taking a picture. I also saw car 001.. not sure if either are notable.
That's car 014. It has two plaques on it, one for a Royal visit from Belgium and the other from a Royal visit from Thailand. The later, I believe, was around the time that Bangkok was considering using Skytrain technology for it's own "Skytrain" which was eventually built as a conventional elevated metro with drivers.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 11:19 PM
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Well, any ridership statistic for that line is pretty much meaningless.

There are a quarter million tourists in town, and the line is free.

Take them away, and add a fee, and you'll probably only see maybe a couple of thousands, during the Summer.
By the same token, the stats for Canada Line and Expo are also meaningless because we have tourist with free passes in town.

You missed my point.

And I disagree with your ridership figures - yes it will be less, but not as dismal as you predict.
     
     
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Amazing that the rail lines continue to run smoothly, day after day, moving far more people than they were designed for.

This coming weekend will be the peak for ridership, with excellent weather and rising enthusiasm for the Olympics, plus more events taking place than last weekend. Downtown is going to be insane.

There will be worldwide headlines if we have a SkyTrain snafu, now that everyone has learned to rely on the system.


^ Edit to comment on the Georgia Strait letter: I have no patience for articles like that. This is someone denying responsibility for their own bad decisions. If you had an extra half-hour to get to your destination, then why wouldn't you allocate that half-hour to lining up for the Canada Line that you usually take, knowing it will be the most reliable service even if it has waits?
I have to agree with one point and that is the lack of concern or attention. How hard is it for a bus driver to call in and say "people are waiting at a closed stop" and for a supervisor to go there and resolve it". That is the problem.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 11:55 PM
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Well, any ridership statistic for that line is pretty much meaningless.

There are a quarter million tourists in town, and the line is free.

Take them away, and add a fee, and you'll probably only see maybe a couple of thousands, during the Summer.
I suspect that most are transferring to and from the Canada Line so they are paying to use transit. Requiring them to pay to use the Olympic Line would likely not make much of a difference. More locals will probably go to Granville Island if the tram was there after the Olympics. Parking at GI has always been a pain.

Ridership is not only higher than the Seattle Lake Union Tram, it is also higher than the $3.2 billion Seattle LRT line.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 18, 2010, 11:59 PM
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The only thing the current ridership numbers tell us is what our system is capable of, nothing more. There are quite a few people using the transit system that normally would not (out of town people as well as locals using transit rather than drive)..
     
     
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