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have they ever "closed" a temple for those areas that don't have many members??

Not quite the same thing, but there are some instances where this has happened:

Kirtland, Ohio--the Mormons left their first temple behind when they were driven out of the area and into Missouri and Illinois. It was used as a storage building for several years, and then cleaned up and started becoming a historic site/visitor's attraction in the 1930s (I think?), although it's still not back in the ownership of the LDS Church.

A few temple sites in Missouri had groundbreaking ceremonies in the 19th Century, although I don't think actual construction commenced on any of them.

And then the LDS Temple in Nauvoo, Illinois was left behind when the Mormons had their "exodus" to Utah under the leadership of Brigham Young after Joseph Smith was killed. It was looted, burned, and eventually a tornado/windstorm of some kind knocked down the ruins. Around a decade ago, the LDS Church rebuilt that temple on the same site, and from what I hear, did a fairly good job of remaining true to the design of the original.

In 2009, the temple in Aba, Nigeria was closed due to violence--and it hasn't reopened yet.

There are several areas where temples have been publicly proposed by the LDS Church, but they haven't moved forward yet--Paris, Bluffdale, a few others--and several other areas where they were blocked by public petition or city councils, but those have generally moved to other places in the same region. White Plains, Nashville, Tegucigalpa Honduras, and potentially, the Phoenix temple being proposed right now.

But as far as your original question, closing for lack of LDS Church members visiting, I don't think that's happened.
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Utah Lake bridge decision could come this year

By Sara Lenz

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Published: Friday, Jan. 29, 2010 10:44 p.m. MST



PROVO — The Utah Division of Forestry, Fire and State Lands hopes to make a decision about the proposed bridge over Utah Lake by the end of this year.

Division director Dick Buehler ultimately will make the final decision about whether Utah Crossing Inc. is allowed to build the seven-mile, $600 million, privately funded bridge across the lake.

Buehler said he will decide within the next week whether to advertise for competing leases, which would allow other entities to come forward with similar plans for a bridge or other plans for the land. If that happens, Utah Crossing and competitors would have 30 days to submit an application.

Dave Grierson, also with the Division of Forestry, Fire and State Lands, said there hasn't been any recent discussion of another bridge proposal over the lake. If Buehler decides not to open the process for competing bids, Utah Crossing is expected to turn in its application within the next few weeks, Grierson said.

The application requires more in-depth information on financing and the project as a whole than the nomination, which Utah Crossing already has submitted, he said.
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Forestry, Fire and State Lands also is creating an interdisciplinary team of experts from various fields, including transportation, finance, the environment and natural resources. The team will look at concerns brought up during the public comment period and do a thorough analysis on possible impacts of building a bridge over the lake.

Grierson said he received more than 200 comments about the bridge, 80 percent of which were against it. Some of the most prevalent concerns are that a bridge could bring unbridled development or more pollution, he said. Many others said a bridge is not necessary right now.

Grierson said many of the comments were emotional, and state officials aren't sure how to deal with those yet.

Buehler said the division is planning to put together the analysis in a document by the fall and make a decision by December. That timetable is contingent upon how long the analysis takes, he said.

Buehler said Forestry, Fire and State Lands officials will be thorough in discussing whether it's the right project for Utah Lake and the right time for it, as well as whether it meets the public trust.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700005653/Utah-Lake-bridge-decision-could-come-this-year.html
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Old Posted Jan 31, 2010, 6:13 AM
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I thought you hated roads?

I'm definitely still against it, especially because it really seems unnecessary. Plus, you don't want to be on that thing when the 'big one' hits.
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I don't care if they build it or not, as long as their so called "bridge" isn't a piece of S*** causeway or overpass. It's gotta be something that at least looks nice. If it's a big ugly eyesore then let's hope "the big one" gets rid of it for us.
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It would be about as attractive as the overpasses in the "spaghetti bowl." If you're lucky. I say nay. Or "hell, nay," depending on who's asking.
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It would be about as attractive as the overpasses in the "spaghetti bowl."
So, drop dead gorgeous, then?



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Haha. Well, if the taxi could hold about 40 cars, travel 75 MPH, and only cost $3.00....
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New chip raises profile of Lehi memory chip manufacturer

Technology » New process doubles storage size of devices found in cameras, media players.

http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_14310408

Micron, Intel roll out smallest memory chips

http://www.heraldextra.com/business/local/article_8409cf74-580a-5e7a-8e61-4be8ce1ad9a0.html

The world's smallest flash memory chip with the most storage capacity is being produced at a former Micron plant in Lehi, company officials announced today.

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If it's a former Micron facility, which company is making the memory cards?
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It's called "IM Flash Technologies" It's a joint venture between Micron and Intel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IM_Flash_Technologies
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I posted some new info about the new hotel development for downtown provo on the provo thread if anyone is interested... Including the name and size of the new hotel!

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Teams forming for shot at building $1 billion Utah Data Center
Construction » Contractors looking for right subcontractors to round out their bid proposals

By Mike Gorrell
The Salt Lake Tribune



Tribune file photo by Trent Nelson Interest in working on the Utah Data Center, a $1 billion project to build a computer data collection facility at Camp Williams, attracted considerable attention from the state's contractors and subcontractors, who last November filled 11 buses for tours of the site after a briefing by the National Security Agency and the Army Corps of Engineers. (Trent Nelson)

It is team-building time for companies interested in constructing a $1 billion data center for the National Security Agency at Camp Williams.

Some of Utah's biggest general contractors have teamed up with national counterparts to go after the lucrative primary contract to build the 1 million-square-foot center for the nation's intelligence community.

At least two of them -- Big-D Construction and Okland Construction -- have conducted open houses in the past month to find partners in the small business community.

That's essential to getting the contract. Federal guidelines mandate that small businesses represent 70 percent of the project's subcontractors. Of that, portions must be allocated to businesses owned by women, people from disadvantaged groups, veterans and disabled veterans.

"It's a great goal," said Rob Moore, president and chief operating officer of Big-D, a Salt Lake City contractor that has forged an alliance with Balfour Beatty Construction (out of Dallas) and DPR Construction Inc. (Redwood City, Calif.).

"One of our big points is to keep this project in the hands of in-state workers," he added, especially because Data Center work will begin as the City Creek Center project wraps up in downtown Salt Lake City. "There are 14,000 unemployed construction workers in Utah... Everyone thinks Utah is doing real well [compared to other places], but in construction that's not the case. We have to push to keep this local."

His thoughts were echoed by officials from Okland and its joint-venture partner, Skanska USA, a Delaware company, after their open house earlier this month. Like Big-D's meeting, Okland's session attracted several hundred subcontractors looking for a piece of the action.

"In light of the current state of the economy, this is a project people will be very dependent on," said Okland vice president John Evans after the. "It is our goal as a joint venture to meet or exceed the small-business goals set forth by the Army Corps of Engineers," which is overseeing the construction process for the National Security Agency.

Within the next two weeks, all of the contractor consortia vying for the primary construction contract -- worth more than $500 million on its own -- will submit general proposals outlining their qualifications.

In late March, the Corps of Engineers will pare the competition down to three to five contractor teams. Each then will have about four months to assemble a highly detailed plan about how it plans to build the facility, which revolves around 100,000 square feet of highly wired, atmosphere-controlled space where U.S. spy agencies can collect mountains of data for analysis.

To serve that security nerve center also will require a power system capable of producing 65 megawatts of electricity, water-treatment and supply facilities, fuel-storage sites, a facility for inspecting any vehicles allowed to enter the "anti-ram" fence around the site's perimeter, fire-suppression systems and 900,000 square feet of additional administrative office space.

And it will have to be built fast. The Corps of Engineers' timetable calls for the contract to be awarded in October, with construction completed by June 2012.

"That's warp speed," said Big-D's Moore.

When the contractor teams submit their proposals in July, they will have to specify how they intend to meet this accelerated design-build schedule and to identify the subcontractors who will help them accomplish this goal. Part of that identification process involves describing the capability of the subcontractors to perform their tasks.

"That's a real deep dive into the details of the program," said Skanska USA vice president Joseph Ryan. "At that point, you provide cost, hours, labor, all the forces you'll utilize on that front end. It's a very complex package that is like no other construction I've ever done -- and I've done arenas and stadiums before this."

Rounding up the right subcontractors is an integral part of this phase of the bid, he said, hence the outreach in the recent open houses.

"It is a pursuit. We wouldn't put a team together if we didn't have the best team. We're going to continue to hone this as we continue the pursuit and look for people to complement our team," Ryan added.

Rod Kaye sent a couple of estimators, the people who calculate the costs, materials and staff necessary to complete a project, to the open houses on behalf of his Layton-based company, NeZhoni Construction.

A Navajo, he is optimistic that one or more of the teams will turn to his electrical and general contracting firm so that it can comply with the Corps of Engineers' goal of having 6.2 percent of participating small businesses owned by people from disadvantaged groups.

"It doesn't matter who gets it, whether it's Okland, Bog-D or whomever, they still need to meet their goals," Kaye said. "Hopefully, some [work] will come our way. My estimators went to the meetings to get more information about what they're going to be looking for, just so we can make sure we have everything in order."

Providing the kind of information they were looking for was precisely why Big-D held its open house, Moore said.

"The questions we got were, 'How do we gain access to the [Data Center] project? Is it too big for us? Can small firms really participate?' And the feedback we gave was, 'Yes, you can participate. You can add value. You don't have to be a big contractor to be part of this.' "

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Utah Data Center
A presidential directive issued Jan. 8, 2008, formally established the Comprehensive National Cyber-Security Initiative, which includes the creation of data centers that help intelligence agencies protect national security networks, provide technical assistance to the Department of Homeland Security and issue warnings about cyber-security threats. The Utah facility encompasses:

200 acres at Camp Williams

100,000 square feet of computer space

65 megawatts of power usage

A construction work force of 5,000 to 10,000 individuals

100 to 200 full-time employees when operational

Source: U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Small business emphasis
The Army Corps of Engineers has told contractors it wants to meet the following goals in hiring subcontractors for the $1 billion Utah Data Center:

Small businesses overall » 70 percent

From HUB (Historically Underutilized Business) Zones » 9.8 percent

Owned by women » 7.0 percent

Owned by "disadvantaged people" » 6.2 percent

Owned by veterans » 3.0 percent

Owned by service-disabled veterans » 0.9 percent

Source: U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
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Environmentalists seek alternatives to proposed bridge over Utah Lake

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PROVO — Western Utah County residents may have two future options to travel east: over land or over water.

About 25 people from the Utah Lake Sailing Club, including representatives from the Sierra Club and the Utah Lake Commission, met in the Utah Lake State Park visitors center Thursday night to discuss alternatives to a proposed bridge over Utah Lake.

Marc Heileson, western representative for the Sierra Club, detailed two plans that Utah County could use for future development: the Los Angeles automobile-dependent, suburban sprawl model; or a Portland, Ore., mass-transit model...


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I lives in Portland for two years. It was awful!!! (The city rocked, but transportation was SO SLOW)

Option 1:
- Live in a HUGE city like L.A. where it takes an hour to get anywhere.
- An impressive freeway system that gets overcrowded twice a day.
- Can FLY anywhere if you use the system off-peak.

Option 2:
- Live in a fairly compact city like Portland, where it takes an hour to get anywhere.
- An impressive system ... in 1975. No improvement since.
- Can CRAWL anywhere because the speed limits are slow, traffic icky.



Yes, Mr. Heilson. Portland is awful. So awful, I'd pick L.A. I'll take L.A., thanks. I'm really excited to see a lot of the new LRT lines in the southland that will augment the freeway system. But Portland seems to still think every road show be one-lane, 30 miles per hour. It doesn't matter how poor the Level of Service gets. They never widen anything!

So, bridge baby! Bridge!

P.S. Portland is VERY auto dependent, outside of the city proper (having been on a bike only, for a year). Yet planners don't give people the tools to use their cars properly, either. That leaves suburbs that are bad for cars AND bikes. Genius!
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Perhaps then, they could find a healthy medium between the two.
The bridge across the Lake is a horrible idea. I, for one, am against it in every way. With the exception of a few blocks in downtown Provo and around the BYU and UVU, I think Utah county is hideous, and terrible place to work, live, and play compared to some other places in the Mountain west. And at the same time, Utah County's geography is gorgeous. The Lake and the mountains make the area so unique. The county and it's cities to should improve inwardly. And they can improve greatly on everything. Transport, walkability, livibility, pollution, sprawl, density, art venues, entertainment venues, city art, integration, diversity, on and on and on. So instead of just going to drastic measures (I think the bridge is drastic) to perpetuate a problem that ultimately makes Utah county a shit-hole, my opinion is that they should get drastic in changing the nature of the communities as they currently exist. They could have cities that match the granduer of the environment.
Of course, i know that's all a pipe-dream, because the mentality of the majority of the people there is typical of the suburban dream.
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Perhaps then, they could find a healthy medium between the two.
The bridge across the Lake is a horrible idea. I, for one, am against it in every way. With the exception of a few blocks in downtown Provo and around the BYU and UVU, I think Utah county is hideous, and terrible place to work, live, and play compared to some other places in the Mountain west. And at the same time, Utah County's geography is gorgeous. The Lake and the mountains make the area so unique. The county and it's cities to should improve inwardly. And they can improve greatly on everything. Transport, walkability, livibility, pollution, sprawl, density, art venues, entertainment venues, city art, integration, diversity, on and on and on. So instead of just going to drastic measures (I think the bridge is drastic) to perpetuate a problem that ultimately makes Utah county a shit-hole, my opinion is that they should get drastic in changing the nature of the communities as they currently exist. They could have cities that match the granduer of the environment.
Of course, i know that's all a pipe-dream, because the mentality of the majority of the people there is typical of the suburban dream.


ok-- i'll bite....

scott, as per your comment above: isnt' that the pot calling the kettle black? as you see utah county, so sees the rest of the nation about utah...INCLUDING salt lake. i get so tired...SO TIRED...of salt lake people "bashing" us utah county folk-- as if we are some "off-the-wall-back-woods, red-necked-nut-jobs-who-don't-wear-shoes-to-the-store" type of people. again, as you see provo, the rest of the nation thinks the same about salt lake.

in case you haven't noticed, i'll point it out for you: salt lake is NO san francisco, portland, or seattle...hell, it's not even a las vegas, denver, miami, or st. louis. does that mean salt lake is BAD?! is it HIDEOUS?! of course not....most adults learn to appreciate salt lake for what it IS...rather than what it is NOT....

it might help you if you do the same for provo/utah county. appreciate it for what it IS, rather than what it is NOT. yes, we are NO salt lake. either is ogden...either is price, moab, or st. george. each community has it's own strengths. salt lake is my capital city. i don't live there, but it's a face for utah=all of US!! what happens in salt lake is important for ALL OF US IN UTAH...not just salt lakers.

i enjoy salt lake. but, it's not the ONLY place where you find fun, good, things to do. i bet you had NO idea, that the worlds largest dinosaur museum was 20 mins from your front door. where?! in UTAH COUNTY!!! i also bet, that you have NO idea the june sucker fish is found no where else in the WORLD, but ONLY found in utah lake-- in UTAH COUNTY!! i also bet that you wouldn't know that one of the worlds PREMIERE hang gliding places on earth is on the south slopes in northern UTAH COUNTY!!! did you also know, that because of UTAH COUNTY's lake, UTAH LAKE, the indigenous fish (june sucker) saved the lives of THOUSANDS of souls when the mormon settlers first arrived here? did you also realize, that utah county...yes, UTAH COUNTY has the most symmetrical mountain range in the world? also, that Utah County has been on about every top ten business friendly list you can think of for the past 10 YEARS?! ...can't be too hideous of it's pushing 550,000 people, and one of the FASTEST growing counties in the country.

bash it all you want, but utah county is here to stay, and help ALL of utah progress. what's good for one city, is good for out state.

please, please, PLEASE, get out of the "city" and come down and spend some time with the rest of us and you may be surprised that there are some good folks down here, in this "hideous" place of UTAH COUNTY, which i'm PROUD to call home.

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Agreed 100%

....aaaand, Utah County will someday out-populate SL County because of its sheer size. Hopefully we don't pick on SL County at that time
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ok-- i'll bite....

scott, as per your comment above: isnt' that the pot calling the kettle black? as you see utah county, so sees the rest of the nation about utah...INCLUDING salt lake. i get so tired...SO TIRED...of salt lake people "bashing" us utah county folk-- as if we are some "off-the-wall-back-woods, red-necked-nut-jobs-who-don't-wear-shoes-to-the-store" type of people. again, as you see provo, the rest of the nation thinks the same about salt lake.

in case you haven't noticed, i'll point it out for you: salt lake is NO san francisco, portland, or seattle...hell, it's not even a las vegas, denver, miami, or st. louis. does that mean salt lake is BAD?! is it HIDEOUS?! of course not....most adults learn to appreciate salt lake for what it IS...rather than what it is NOT....

it might help you if you do the same for provo/utah county. appreciate it for what it IS, rather than what it is NOT. yes, we are NO salt lake. either is ogden...either is price, moab, or st. george. each community has it's own strengths. salt lake is my capital city. i don't live there, but it's a face for utah=all of US!! what happens in salt lake is important for ALL OF US IN UTAH...not just salt lakers.

i enjoy salt lake. but, it's not the ONLY place where you find fun, good, things to do. i bet you had NO idea, that the worlds largest dinosaur museum was 20 mins from your front door. where?! in UTAH COUNTY!!! i also bet, that you have NO idea the june sucker fish is found no where else in the WORLD, but ONLY found in utah lake-- in UTAH COUNTY!! i also bet that you wouldn't know that one of the worlds PREMIERE hang gliding places on earth is on the south slopes in northern UTAH COUNTY!!! did you also know, that because of UTAH COUNTY's lake, UTAH LAKE, the indigenous fish (june sucker) saved the lives of THOUSANDS of souls when the mormon settlers first arrived here? did you also realize, that utah county...yes, UTAH COUNTY has the most symmetrical mountain range in the world? also, that Utah County has been on about every top ten business friendly list you can think of for the past 10 YEARS?! ...can't be too hideous of it's pushing 550,000 people, and one of the FASTEST growing counties in the country.

bash it all you want, but utah county is here to stay, and help ALL of utah progress. what's good for one city, is good for out state.

please, please, PLEASE, get out of the "city" and come down and spend some time with the rest of us and you may be surprised that there are some good folks down here, in this "hideous" place of UTAH COUNTY, which i'm PROUD to call home.

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Agreed, As I look at Salt Lake County, as opposed to Utah County, the only difference I see is the large investment in Salt Lake City's downtown. The rest of SL County is a hodge podge of sprawling subdivisions and sub-par planning, not much different than any place in the UV.

There is real potential in Utah Valley as well as one of Utah most unique landscapes. When speaking with friends from the Belt Way in Washington about SLC, the only thing they say they remembered was how beautiful Park City was, and how the Great Salt Lake reaked. Hardly the endorsement that makes SLC among the elite.
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