Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion

[Metro-One]

A third car is technically feasible, so YES

The system was designed for a third car to be added with the 50m platform lengths. All doors will be on the platform, only the front and back extremities will be in the tunnel.

So again, with 50m platforms, a 3 car train will have all doors on the platform.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Well of course they will be! I think you kind of missed the point, hehe.

It is all relative to the size of a city! London is at least 5 times, if not 7 times larger than Vancouver. For anyone here to expect our train system to seamlessly move London sized crowds is beyound reason.

What I said is any city's transit system moving 2 to 3X its regular ridership will have delays and waits! In fact our system so far has been handling it amazingly well.

I am sure when the 2012 sumer Olympics are in London their system will be stressed to the max.

no point missed

we in vancouver are a bunch of friggin whiners is all

[officedweller]

Link from the Buzzer. Info on Woodlands Station:

http://www.whatthehelvetica.ca/2010/02/1...issing-new-westminster-skytrain-station/



Option A:


Option B (underground passage):


OPtion B overlay:

[Mac Write]

Originally Posted by officedweller

Link from the Buzzer. Info on Woodlands Station:

http://www.whatthehelvetica.ca/2010/02/1...issing-new-westminster-skytrain-station/



Option A:


Option B (underground passage):


OPtion B overlay:

🞵🞵🞵? Woodlends has been green lighted? I thought it was dead (GASP has it been a decade already GASP).

[CLC]

Quick info: Translink announced 20 trains are used for C-Line right now to handle the volume

[GeeCee]

Originally Posted by Mac Write

🞵🞵🞵? Woodlends has been green lighted? I thought it was dead (GASP has it been a decade already GASP).

Err, no.. someone just happened to dig up the diagrams from the RTP 2000 documents and post them.

[zivan56]

Took the Canada Line last night from Waterfront around 11pm...a train was waiting on the non-used side of the platform and a full one came in...the attended started yelling very rudely, and pushing people back that didn't speak English, saying it was going out of service and that nobody should get on. The platform was already jam packed by that time. Then we finally got onto another train and it got quite full. By the time the train left Yaletown, it was so full that it was impossible to get in/out. I had to get off at Olympic Village instead of Broadway because there was no way to push through all the people to get to the other side of the train. I can't believe they don't run at full capacity...they shouldn't put them out of service that early. Plus there was one on the spare platform not being used at all.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

Err, no.. someone just happened to dig up the diagrams from the RTP 2000 documents and post them.

Yeah, never seen such detailed dagrams before - so I figured that forummers would want to see them.

[lightrail]

Canada Line 210,000 in one day

Expo/Millenium combined over 500,000 in one day

Way to go.

By comparison, London Northern Line (heavy rail deep level tube) carries 750,000 per day.

Whatever, those numbers are amazing. More so for Canada Line, moving that number with a puny 14 or is it 16 cars in 7 or 8 trains.

[The_Henry_Man]

Originally Posted by lightrail

Canada Line 210,000 in one day

Expo/Millenium combined over 500,000 in one day

Way to go.

By comparison, London Northern Line (heavy rail deep level tube) carries 750,000 per day.

Whatever, those numbers are amazing. More so for Canada Line, moving that number with a puny 14 or is it 16 cars in 7 or 8 trains.

That's the same ridership for the then entire Skytrain network only around 4-5 years ago!!

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Well of course they will be! I think you kind of missed the point, hehe.

It is all relative to the size of a city! London is at least 5 times, if not 7 times larger than Vancouver. For anyone here to expect our train system to seamlessly move London sized crowds is beyound reason.

What I said is any city's transit system moving 2 to 3X its regular ridership will have delays and waits! In fact our system so far has been handling it amazingly well.

I am sure when the 2012 sumer Olympics are in London their system will be stressed to the max.

We'll see in 2012 - London's main Olympic Arena at Stratford will see a train calling every 15 seconds throughout the day, as follows:
- London Underground - Central Line - trains every 90 seconds in both directions
- London Underground - Jubilee Line - trains every 90 seconds
- Docklands Light Railway - via Pudding Mill - trains every 6 minutes
- Docklands Light Railway - via Canning Town - trains every 6 minutes
- London Overground - trains every 7/8 minutes
- National Rail Shenfield Line - trains every 15-30 minutes
- National Rail to Stansted - trains every 30 minutes
- High Speed 1 - High Speed shuttle trains to St Pancras International and Ebbsfleet Junction - every 7 minutes
- High Speed 1 - High Speed trains to Bruxelles and Paris every hour or better

The London Underground alone carries over 3 million people per day. National rail carries almost as many in and out of London. Currently, 95 percent of people arriving or leaving central London do so on Public Transit. Only 5 percent arrive by car.

In population, London is 4 times Metro Vancouver; in area, it about the same or a bit less than Metro Vancouver.

[djh]

Originally Posted by lightrail

The London Underground alone carries over 3 million people per day. National rail carries almost as many in and out of London. Currently, 95 percent of people arriving or leaving central London do so on Public Transit. Only 5 percent arrive by car.

...and this is something I think Vancouver should aspire to. I know it's a paradigm shift for North Americans. So many people are attached to their cars, and life from teenage years up is so car-centric - but I'm really glad that the current Olympics is a good proving ground for so many in the city that yes, they can survive without their car, and yes, the transit system is not a "Loser Cruiser".

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

A third car is technically feasible, so YES

The system was designed for a third car to be added with the 50m platform lengths. All doors will be on the platform, only the front and back extremities will be in the tunnel.

So again, with 50m platforms, a 3 car train will have all doors on the platform.

Thanks for that clarification, Metro. One more thing:
are the platforms 50m now, or only 40m?
If only 40m, how much $$$, and how much reconstruction would be involved.
(Living 10,000 km away puts me a bit out of touch with things; hope you understand). Thanks

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by djh

...and this is something I think Vancouver should aspire to. I know it's a paradigm shift for North Americans. So many people are attached to their cars, and life from teenage years up is so car-centric - but I'm really glad that the current Olympics is a good proving ground for so many in the city that yes, they can survive without their car, and yes, the transit system is not a "Loser Cruiser".

what i've been noticing living out in the burbs people are willing to drive to a station and get on teh train but are not willing to get on a bus and get to the station

Lougheed mall parking lot is jammed pack this past weekend even at 11 pm it was like full up in the areas closest to the station - so if there were park n ride places at more stations I am sure usage would increase but if you can't park you may be more inclined to just drive

[The_Henry_Man]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

what i've been noticing living out in the burbs people are willing to drive to a station and get on teh train but are not willing to get on a bus and get to the station

Lougheed mall parking lot is jammed pack this past weekend even at 11 pm it was like full up in the areas closest to the station - so if there were park n ride places at more stations I am sure usage would increase but if you can't park you may be more inclined to just drive

So true!! This is something I totally don't understand about Translink. I once asked whether more park-and-rides, like the ones closer to Richmond Centre, would be built, and they told me that they're not needed because there's a lot of people living close to the stations who would take it anyway. I don't agree with him at all about this. I think building more park-and-rides allows more transit exposure to people who previously would never consider taking public transit.

[Metro-One]

Thank You. I know many people in Maple Ridge who have dreamed of a Park & Ride structure at Braid (they even have that huge empty lot right beside the station) I hope a proper multilevel park and ride is built on the Evergreen Line at Coquitlam. If you are coming from the east there are no park and rides along the Expo Line or Millenium Line, it really stops people from the tri-cities, Pitt Meadows and Maple Ridge from taking the skytrain downtown.

Again, I know many people who would gladly take the train downtown, but do not want to take a bus to get there.

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Thanks for that clarification, Metro. One more thing:
are the platforms 50m now, or only 40m?
If only 40m, how much $$$, and how much reconstruction would be involved.
(Living 10,000 km away puts me a bit out of touch with things; hope you understand). Thanks

Only a few of the stations are 50 meters now (Waterfront, Vancouver City Centre, Yaletown, Olympic Village and YVR I believe, but I could be wrong about 1 or 2 stations, so please feel free to correct me) the rest are all currently 40m

The remaining underground stations that are 40m essentially have all of the components in place for an easy extension of 5 meters on both sides. Currently there are knock out walls in place. As for the elevated stations I believe 5 meter extensions can also be easily added to the sides. So such ententions should be relatively affordable.

[racc]

Originally Posted by The_Henry_Man

So true!! This is something I totally don't understand about Translink. I once asked whether more park-and-rides, like the ones closer to Richmond Centre, would be built, and they told me that they're not needed because there's a lot of people living close to the stations who would take it anyway. I don't agree with him at all about this. I think building more park-and-rides allows more transit exposure to people who previously would never consider taking public transit.

There is little point in creating park and rides. It is just too expensive. At least $5,000 (plus land costs) for a surface lot and $40,000 for a space in an above ground parkade. The money would be better spent on building more rapid transit. Plus, park and riders create traffic and congestion which is dangerous and unpleasant for people who walk, cycle and live around stations. It also slows down buses accessing the station.

[SpongeG]

well than we have to put up with heavier traffic by people who will not get out of their cars for a bus

[Mac Write]

How about an automated parkaid at Braid? Double the parking spaces in the same space? Would that lower the costs?

[jlousa]

I share your dislike for park and rides, but there is no need to exaggerate the costs. It does not cost $40K for an above ground spot, it doesn't even cost that much for an underground spot. Regardless they are a waste of money from an economic point of view. Ideally they are created where there is a need for parking at different times of the day. The River Rock park and ride is a perfect example, commuters in the day but still useful at night. There are limited options like that though, perhaps the pacific coliseum and the coquitlam casino, but neither are tied into the skytrain.