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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 10:33 AM
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ASU moves ahead with priciest building ever
Arizona State University is moving forward to build the most expensive single building in the institution’s history despite the sluggish economy and uncertainty over the state budget.

The $185 million science-and-technology building is planned on the site of a parking lot south of the Biodesign Institute on the Tempe campus.

Rich Stanley, university planner, said officials are finalizing a contract and price with the builder. But he acknowledged they are keeping a close watch on state finances and the university’s overall funding situation before they decide to break ground.

“We have every intention of moving forward,” he said.

All three state universities have seen steep cuts in their state funding this year, and students have seen sharp tuition increases. But university officials are looking at the building as a way to generate more revenue. The building will create more research space with the goal being to bring in additional research grants.

The university plans to finance the structure by using research grant money, a portion of which can used toward general university overhead.

Research funding “is not threatened by the recession,” Stanley said.

The seven-story, building will house earth and space sciences, climate science and renewable and alternative-energy research. The facility, called Interdisciplinary Science and Technology Building IV, fits into ASU President Michael Crow’s vision of ramping up research in energy, engineering and sciences.

Stanley said that once ground is broken, it should take about two years to complete the 293,000-square-foot building. He described the project as very complicated because of the 88,185 square feet of lab space requires more plumbing and special air-filtration systems.

I'm happy there is a new building being built. I'm a bit surprised though with all the empty buildings around. Perhaps they can build it cheaper during the down economy. I look forward to seeing what the design will look like. Anybody know what the cross streets would be? Just curious what space this may occupy. Is anybody moving into the new Gateway building on Mill? Yet another big empty building...
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 12:16 PM
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Looks like its gonna be on the SEC of Terrace and McAllister (just west of Rural, north of Apache).

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He described the project as very complicated because of the 88,185 square feet of lab space requires more plumbing and special air-filtration systems.
Unlikely ASU would find another building on campus to house all of the new lab space.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 1:22 PM
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$185 million for one seven-story building? This is an absurd waste of money in today's fried economic conditions. That's $3,000 for every college student at the ASU main campus, or $1,000 for each and every resident of Tempe. Craziness...

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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 1:43 PM
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$185 million for one seven-story building? This is an absurd waste of money in today's fried economic conditions. That's $3,000 for every college student at the ASU main campus, or $1,000 for each and every resident of Tempe. Craziness...

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Its not like its an office building, its a highly specialized building for high tech science, its gonna be expensive. Its only going to get more expensive if they wait to build it and they have to anyway, waiting would be penny wise pound foolish. Its going to educate people who will have high paying jobs, and help attract a higher caliber of student to ASU, its costly but in the long run should pay off if Arizona ever wants to become a player in the Biosciences field.

That lot where its going to go is the parking lot my family always parked in for ASU football games for years and years, probably the only surface lot I'll ever be kinda sad to see go.

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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 4:46 PM
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Its going to educate people who will have high paying jobs, and help attract a higher caliber of student to ASU, its costly but in the long run should pay off if Arizona ever wants to become a player in the Biosciences field.
I don't think educating students is the goal, the goal is to attract lots and lots of big research dollars. I don't think there's anything wrong with that goal, I think it's a wise investment, let's just not pretend that this has anything to do with educating students.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 5:55 PM
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Yeah, you can't compare office buildings to academic buildings: Reason: Office buildings leave the price of tenant improvements out. Academic buildings include all the FF&E in addition to the lab space.

http://www.hdrcuh2a.com/#/Our%20Work/Academic/ASU%20ISTB%20IV.aspx has the renders.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 7:38 PM
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This particular project was approved and bid out well over a year ago. Sundt is the General Contractor. Unfortunately our lovely JCCR committee with Pierce on it held up the funding, effectively killing the project. The project is gaining steam again and the industry expectation is that it will proceed shortly.

The more exciting Tempe project which is still very prelim is the WP Carey Business School. Here is the link. http://www.asu.edu/purchasing/bids/pdfs/cmar_2008_16503_add_1_conceptual_design.pdf
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 7:40 PM
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$185 million is still too much money for this project. That's almost the entire annual budget deficit Phoenix is facing this year. Not in this economy, not now.

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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 7:51 PM
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While I can appreciate people objecting to spending money in a down economy. Projects like these are critical to actually maintaining and reviving our economy. Projects like this in particular employ 1000's of construction workers who now have money to spend (they are notoriously bad savers), generate profits for local companies which are returned in the form of tax dollars, build general infastructure for long term knowldge growth at the lowest possible price. This is about moving money in this economy and will be a great help with a significantly smaller cost if you account for the soft paybacks that come with the project.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 8:33 PM
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Wow, that new business school building looks amazing. Where would the tennis courts be moved to?
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/\ I was wondering about that too... not the tennis courts! But I think there are plenty of tennis courts at the SRC still, not to mention the tennis center.

There is also a new mixed-use "tower" in the planning stages north of University on College.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 10:30 PM
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There is also a new mixed-use "tower" in the planning stages north of University on College.
Really? Right on. I hadn't heard about that. Do you have more info or a link?
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 10:32 PM
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2010, 11:01 PM
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Really? Right on. I hadn't heard about that. Do you have more info or a link?
http://www.asu.edu/purchasing/bids/construction_bids.html

It's about half-way down. The description is the only thing left as they are evaluating all of the contractor's bids:

"Design, Development, and Management of Mixed Use Project on the Tempe Campus of Arizona State University (Block 12)"

If I remember right, Block 12 is the NWC of College & 7th St.
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Really? Right on. I hadn't heard about that. Do you have more info or a link?
I wouldn't get that excited, it's not the first plan for that corner and I highly doubt it will be the last.
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2010, 12:39 AM
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$185 million is still too much money for this project. That's almost the entire annual budget deficit Phoenix is facing this year. Not in this economy, not now.

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So what should they be spending on this building in your expert opinion? Why wait 5 years for the economy to recover, when more inflation has taken place and the cost of construction has gone up and it could cost you 50% more? That makes no sense at all.
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2010, 12:01 AM
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Cool, I had not seen the business building proposal before, it looks good... and its apparently by Kohn Pedersen Fox which is impressive. It is on KPF's site already: http://www.kpf.com/main.asp If you go to listings by type and education it is at the bottom. Apparently KPF could use an editor for the site as they refer to ASU as Arizonia State University, and seem to be missing words in the description... lol.


And thanks for the update on the ISTB IV building (the science building) guys. I had been wondering about it.
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This particular project was approved and bid out well over a year ago. Sundt is the General Contractor. Unfortunately our lovely JCCR committee with Pierce on it held up the funding, effectively killing the project. The project is gaining steam again and the industry expectation is that it will proceed shortly.
thanks for the info. Hopefully it starts soon.
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http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2010/02/16/20100216stadiumdistrict0216.html

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ASU, legislators explore ways to pay for fixes to athletic facilities

by Alia Beard Rau - Feb. 16, 2010 12:00 AM
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Sun Devil Stadium is slowly rusting away.

The 52-year-old Arizona State University football stadium is safe, officials say. But a 2007 analysis indicated that it may not remain that way for the next generation of fans without $70 million in repairs.

The cash-strapped state isn't likely to hand over the money, and ASU has shifted its money toward academic needs, said Steve Nielsen, ASU assistant vice president of university real estate. ASU hopes lawmakers will give the university a chance to raise the money.

For the second year in a row, legislators have proposed a law to allow Arizona's three state universities to create special financing districts and charge a fee to developers that build on university property. However, opponents say it's just another tax. The revenue would go toward the construction or renovation of athletic facilities.

"The state of Arizona is broke," bill sponsor Rep. Warde Nichols, R-Gilbert, said. "We're trying to figure out how to continue funding K-12 education, the universities and transportation, let alone anything else. We have to figure out ways to generate money to handle some of the things state government can't fund."

Last year, the bill made it through the House but never got a Senate hearing.

This year, Nichols and Sen. Thayer Verschoor, R-Gilbert, introduced bills in both the House and the Senate. Verschoor said it will be a tough sell again.

"It will be an uphill climb," he said. "We have to get some comfort there for the legislation."

Under current law, commercial developers on university property do not pay property taxes. Nichols said the measure would level the playing field between a new development on university property and one on private property that pays property taxes. The fee would be comparable to what the property taxes would otherwise be, he said.

Nichols said a district's boundaries have to be part of one contiguous area. For example, ASU couldn't include land at ASU Polytechnic in Mesa as part of a stadium district for the Tempe campus. It could include land ASU owns along Tempe Town Lake and near Mill Avenue.

Nichols also said the fee would only apply to future development.

Opponents say the district would create a new taxing mechanism, unfairly impact businesses on university land and take revenue away from core academic needs.

"At a time with the university is reeling from budget cuts, this money could be better spent going into academics and academic buildings and not into a stadium that's used a couple of times a year," said Sen. Ken Cheuvront, D-Phoenix.

Kevin McCarthy, president of the Arizona Tax Research Association, said he is sympathetic to funding needs but argued that this is not the solution.

"If this is approved, cities and counties will want it, too," he said. "You'll be setting a huge precedent."

He said if universities are concerned about leveling the playing field, businesses on university land should pay property taxes "just like everybody else."

Although the legislation would impact Northern Arizona University, the University of Arizona and Arizona State, it is ASU that is really pushing for it.

Sun Devil Stadium, with 50,000 seats, opened in 1958. New decks were built in the 1970s to add room for 20,000 more seats, and a final remodel added press boxes, luxury sky boxes and more seating in 1988.

Each year, the stadium draws more than 350,000 football fans. It also is used for other sporting events and has hosted a pope, a president and musical groups. It was the home of the Fiesta Bowl for 35 years and the Arizona Cardinals for 18, until they wanted a state-of-the-art facility and the University of Phoenix Stadium was built in Glendale.

In 2007, ASU President Michael Crow appointed a committee to study the stadium and develop proposals for upgrading Sun Devil Stadium. Nielsen said the group determined that $70 million is needed for structural repairs that should be done within the next 10 years.

An additional $100 million is needed for improvements such as restroom and concession renovations, improved seats and possibly an escalator to make higher levels more accessible to older fans, he said.


ASU has spent about $10 million since then in repairs, but there's still about 80 percent of the work left to do, Nielsen said.

If the stadium district is approved, Nielsen said revenue could start within five years as new development occurs. Once work is completed on the stadium, he said, the revenue could be used to renovate the basketball arena and other facilities.

"It's a fallacy that a concrete stadium will last forever," said Bruce Jensen, executive director of ASU's capital programs. "The stadium is safe now, but if money isn't spent on this facility, it could become unsafe."
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Did anyone happen to see 1949 E. University fall from the sky recently and land mostly built in Tempe? I swear I remember driving by there recently and not seeing anything and now there's this massive 4 or 5 story complex with retail and whatnot.
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Did anyone happen to see 1949 E. University fall from the sky recently and land mostly built in Tempe? I swear I remember driving by there recently and not seeing anything and now there's this massive 4 or 5 story complex with retail and whatnot.
Actually, yes I did.

I was going to mention something about it, but then forgot about it because no one else was discussing it. For those who don't know, or haven't seen it, it's being built in a fashion very similar to Campus Suites, and Grigio Metro, which are on Apache Blvd.
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