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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 12:43 AM
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I will be interested in everyone's thoughts who were pro DEMOLITION next week after actually have no viaducts for once I think it will be a gong show.....
They were saying on the News that Broadway, Pender, Hastings, 2nd Av, and Cordova will be nightmares. I have to drive from North Delta, to Nanaimo @ Hastings tomorrow night, this shall be fun... What is truely scary is the fact that only a 4% reduction in traffic was gained by closing Quebec/Expo/Terminal area. All those other cars went and used the Viaducts... I wonder how a friday night commute will go when two of the main arteries out of downtown are shut down. Hastings/Pender/Cordova can only hold so many cars...
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 12:58 AM
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They were saying on the News that Broadway, Pender, Hastings, 2nd Av, and Cordova will be nightmares. I have to drive from North Delta, to Nanaimo @ Hastings tomorrow night, this shall be fun... What is truely scary is the fact that only a 4% reduction in traffic was gained by closing Quebec/Expo/Terminal area. All those other cars went and used the Viaducts... I wonder how a friday night commute will go when two of the main arteries out of downtown are shut down. Hastings/Pender/Cordova can only hold so many cars...
I fail to see why this is a problem, since Nanaimo @ Hastings is -literally- MILES away from where these road closures are.

And since this is after rush hour, there's even less traffic you need to fight.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 1:09 AM
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I did not read that after rush hour part. But next week might be different. Hastings will be very congested, as well as 1st Av past Main, as well as Broadway, and as well as Dundas. I could get lucky and have everything normal, or be stuck with everyone taking different routes. Nanaimo is as efficient as Boundary for getting N-S very quickly, but add a bunch of cars that have to re-route, it will make it very slow. Miles away doesn't mean anything, Nanaimo seems far enough away from downtown to not get congested, but it definetly can. Last night the line-up for Grandview SB was backed to Broadway. NB was fine, but who knows what will happen. I obviously hope that everything stays normal, since it's really nice going all the way down Nanaimo in under 10 minutes.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 4:38 AM
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Are you hinting at a vacation??? If so, I envy you, hehe.
not vacation... school... and robotics club =S

although maybe one weekend i might go into downtown with a friend... but even then i might not go that particular way (near the viaducts that is)...
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 4:04 PM
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The Dunsmuir viaduct has for quite a long period of time had the concrete median barrier in place blocking the third left-side lane into the downtown core.

City council has now approved turning the third right-side lane into a bicycle lane a la the Burrard Street Bridge, which will require the repositioning the the concrete barriers currently in place. It would probably take less than a day to reposition the barrier.

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http://www.straight.com/article-286311/v...eparated-bike-lane-pushes-downtown-trial

But I cannot see how that simple concrete barrier re-alignment can come in at a cost of $300,000!
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 4:49 PM
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The Dunsmuir viaduct has for quite a long period of time had the concrete median barrier in place blocking the third left-side lane into the downtown core.

City council has now approved turning the third right-side lane into a bicycle lane a la the Burrard Street Bridge, which will require the repositioning the the concrete barriers currently in place. It would probably take less than a day to reposition the barrier.



http://www.straight.com/article-286311/v...eparated-bike-lane-pushes-downtown-trial

But I cannot see how that simple concrete barrier re-alignment can come in at a cost of $300,000!
Unicorn fart-powered barrier movers aren't cheap.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 4:56 PM
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Unicorn fart-powered barrier movers aren't cheap.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 7:16 PM
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But I cannot see how that simple concrete barrier re-alignment can come in at a cost of $300,000!
I'm presuming there will be a number of other upgrades like addition of signs and other basic components that come with bike infrastructure.
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 7:29 PM
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But I cannot see how that simple concrete barrier re-alignment can come in at a cost of $300,000!
Obviously you have not been involved with any government run projects.

3/4 of that is project management, updating GIS data, planning, consultations, etc, etc, etc...
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 8:45 PM
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Obviously you have not been involved with any government run projects.

3/4 of that is project management, updating GIS data, planning, consultations, etc, etc, etc...
It is "no more than 300,000." This doesn't mean it will cost that much.

There is 540m of barrier now, need 815m so 275m new.

New 275m @ 1.5m each = 183 pcs x $250 each = 37,000

Move/place 815m of barrier, say a crew at $250 per hour can move 10 each at 1.5m long there is 360 pcs = 82 hrs @ 250 = $20,000

Remove Paint lines = 80 hr at @250 = 20000
Repaint = 80 @250 = 20000
Signage - buy $10,000, Install $10000

= 117,000

Overhead and Profit - X 1.5 = $176,000

Vancouver City Management and Engineering = 15% = $26,000

= $200,000

Yup I am a engineer as well
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 11:43 PM
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They also have to redesign the intersections at either end to make sure cyclists can get safely on and off the Viaduct. They are also going to do monitoring as well.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2010, 5:02 AM
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So now we know what traffic is like when the viaducts are out of commission.

Anyone re-thinking their positions on tearing them down?

Get ready for more fun when Cambie Bridge is closed Wed for the Opening Ceremonies Dress Rehearsal & Fri for the Opening Ceremonies.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2010, 7:19 AM
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So since they're saying its on the right hand side, I'm assuming its going up the Main St. on ramp?
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2010, 7:23 AM
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So since they're saying its on the right hand side, I'm assuming its going up the Main St. on ramp?
yup to connect with the Union Street bike lanes.

will be great as when your walking on the viaducts and a bike comes by it can be tricky if they are not paying attention or in a rush or coming up behind you and you have headphones on.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2010, 2:50 AM
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So now we know what traffic is like when the viaducts are out of commission.

Anyone re-thinking their positions on tearing them down?

Get ready for more fun when Cambie Bridge is closed Wed for the Opening Ceremonies Dress Rehearsal & Fri for the Opening Ceremonies.
Not sure it is time to panic yet, it really doesn't seem to be that bad even according to reports by dedicated drivers. I, for one, do not underestimate the ability of drivers to successfully adjust to road closures. Have some faith, it will likely all work out and not be really any problem at all in a couple of days.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/traffic-what-traffic/article1458523/
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Port Moody, B.C. — From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published on Saturday, Feb. 06, 2010 12:00AM EST
Last updated on Saturday, Feb. 06, 2010 7:16PM EST
Driving to work is an inherently selfish act. Driving alone to work, doubly so. And driving alone to work while the entire Lower Mainland is being exhorted to park and ride public transit instead is - well, that's just fun.

It's just past 7 a.m. as I cross into Vancouver on my daily commute to the downtown core of the city from my home in outlying Port Moody. The Olympic lanes are in force now, cutting off a third of the capacity of East Hastings Street, the chief conduit for me and tens of thousands of other drivers. Close to the end of my commute is the Dunsmuir Viaduct, a vestigial stump of an expressway that nevertheless hustles motorists into downtown Vancouver. Until yesterday, that is, when the viaduct and its eastbound twin (which flow around the Olympic hockey venue) were closed, the biggest and latest of a series of wide-ranging traffic restrictions put in place for the Games.

After weeks of warnings, I'm expecting a cataclysmic traffic jam all the way in to The Globe and Mail's Vancouver bureau at Robson and Burrard Streets. Instead, I get the easiest drive in three years of commuting. Even with the detour forced by the closing of the viaduct, I make it to my parking spot in 35 minutes, a time I'd normally expect to hit only on a Sunday morning, or in the dead of night.

Until yesterday morning, most commuters had flatly ignored the appeal from VANOC and the city of Vancouver to get out of their cars; just 4 per cent of motorists did so last Friday, woefully short of the 20-per-cent target.

But, this Friday, it seems my fellow drivers are heeding those exhortations, and are leaving their vehicles at home - joining Mark Hume, my colleague and a long-time bus rider, on public transit.

I haven't, not this week, and not in the three years in which I've been commuting the 22 kilometres a day to and from Port Moody. Like any driver with a guilty conscience, I have a finely honed list of reasons why I have avoided public transit. The train schedule doesn't mesh with my work schedule. I need the vehicle during the day. I run errands on the way home, saving on weekend trips. I recycle.

But it all boils down to this: Driving is easier, more pleasant, more convenient and cheaper (unless you dump your car entirely).

The Olympics are going to completely rewrite that equation, however. And yesterday's commute is likely to be the last easy drive for the period of the Games. (Indeed, by mid-morning yesterday, Metro Vancouver's transit authority, TransLink, was reporting significant traffic jams on West Hastings Street.)

But will it be enough of a traffic disaster to pry me, and thousands like me, out of our cars? Anthony Perl, director of urban studies at Simon Fraser University, is itching to find out. "It's a living experiment," he says.

The pain of traffic jams is the single most likely thing to turn me into a public transit user, according to Prof. Perl. The assumption - often no more - that public transit is slower than a private vehicle is one of the biggest barriers to transit use, made worse by the cognitive trick that the minutes I spend creeping along a street goes more quickly than the same time spent waiting at a bus stop.

Nearly as important is the simple factor of being able to get a seat. If I can be assured of being able to sit rather than stand for most of my trips, the likelihood of dumping my car rises dramatically. (I check with TransLink and find out that the first morning westbound West Coast Express commuter train, my best transit option, has relatively few passengers. I'll get a seat.)

And then there is the matter of convenience. Before the Olympics came along, the last West Coast Express headed out of Vancouver just after 6 p.m., often too early for me to catch after work, and definitely too early to allow for any revelry. There was the bus, but that meant a far longer, less pleasant trip.

But with the Olympics, the West Coast Express will run until midnight, part of a wide expansion of transit services across Metro Vancouver during the Games. So, the commuting equation has been radically rewritten for me and countless other drivers: monster traffic jams plus easier access to transit, a seat (and the chance to use my BlackBerry on the way to work) equal one less car on the road.

And if that isn't reason enough, Prof. Perl has one more. Freed of my two-tonne isolation chamber, I'll be happier and chattier - a better, less selfish me. "It can make you a more social person."
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2010, 3:24 AM
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They also have to redesign the intersections at either end to make sure cyclists can get safely on and off the Viaduct. They are also going to do monitoring as well.
Which brings up the point that cycling along the viaducts will be far safer than cycling along an at grade replacement with numerous intersections.
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Which brings up the point that cycling along the viaducts will be far safer than cycling along an at grade replacement with numerous intersections.
I agree - and we'll have to rename this thread "Time for Vancouver to Tear Down Its Fully-Separated Elevated Bike Lanes?". It's harder to argue we're creating an urban paradise by doing that.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2010, 5:54 AM
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They were saying on the News that Broadway, Pender, Hastings, 2nd Av, and Cordova will be nightmares. I have to drive from North Delta, to Nanaimo @ Hastings tomorrow night, this shall be fun... What is truely scary is the fact that only a 4% reduction in traffic was gained by closing Quebec/Expo/Terminal area. All those other cars went and used the Viaducts... I wonder how a friday night commute will go when two of the main arteries out of downtown are shut down. Hastings/Pender/Cordova can only hold so many cars...
Curious minds want to know ...
how painful was the run from N.Delta to Nanaimo @ Hastings?
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2010, 6:42 PM
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Which brings up the point that cycling along the viaducts will be far safer than cycling along an at grade replacement with numerous intersections.
Not necessarily. The replacement could be along Creekside Park and cross no intersections.
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Old Posted Feb 7, 2010, 7:12 PM
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Umm we kind of have a bike lane along creekside park it's called the sea wall, if you mean along the other edge of the park, it seems kind of pointless to spend money on a parallel path only a stone throws away.
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