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Old Posted Feb 4, 2010, 8:38 PM
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Thanks all, I'm glad you like it [Convention Center District master plan]! I hope there are powerful decision makers out there reading this thread!







Also, here is an interesting article I found:

Which city is "least drunk," Salt Lake or Boston?


Liquor (ABC 4 News)

SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - Think Salt Lake might be the least drunk major city in the country?

Guess again.

This year, Boston earned the title of most sober city in the March issue of Men's Health magazine.

In fact, both Rochester and Yonkers, New York beat out Salt Lake.

Still though, the capitol city got an "A" on the drunkenness scale.

Fresno, California, Reno, Nevada and Billings Montana according to the magazine are the most drunk cities.


http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top%20s...ke-or-Boston/pVoP2A4Tj0OG2nR7IIdofw.cspx

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Funny. I never thought of it so.

UB - Could you take some night photos from the same spot(s)?
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Yes, but I'm going to wait until it gets a little warmer outside.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 12:04 PM
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Research says Salt Lake underbuilt in homes

Deseret News Brief:

The greater Salt Lake new-home market has shifted from being overbuilt in 2005 and 2006 to being what may be an underbuilt situation, given the region's growing population and strong demographics, according to housing market research firm Metrostudy...

Eric Allen, director of Metrostudy's Utah/Idaho region, said the most notable change in the new-home market has been in the category of finished vacant detached-home inventory. Metrostudy uses finished vacant inventory as a fundamental indicator to monitor the health of housing markets.

Inventory of detached new single-family homes decreased 56 percent in 2009. According to a release, there were only 875 finished detached vacant homes available for sale — a 2.2 months' supply at the current annual closings pace and slightly above the ideal balanced supply of two months.

Allen called the scenario "an extremely good sign for builders, as buyers will see a need for new construction."

Metrostudy conducts a count of all new housing units in subdivisions within the market area each quarter. Allen said a bright spot in the market is the decline in total inventory, which he said has decreased consistently since the second quarter of 2007.

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That's wonderful news! although I'd prefer seeing apartment/condo towers popping up between downtown and the 21st south county government complex before we build more sprawl. 1-2,000 units in towers rather than detached homes would be perfect to start seeding the skyline southward and they could be easily filled in 3 years' time. It's high time SLC grew up, up and UP!
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I'll have to alert my uncle. He's a general contractor in Riverside/San Bernardino and he's in a world of hurt right now. Tell him to move up here.
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I think that a large convention hotel would be awesome...

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I'm 100% with you, Urbanboy, on your design of the block west of the Salt Palace. I love that location for the convention center hotel, and I really love what you did with Japan town.
My question is as follows and I know it has been explained before but I cannot remember.

Does Salt Lake City have enough of a convention draw to keep a hotel like that constantly booked without hurting the existing hotelier business?

If it i is viable then I hope they actually really consider the design and not just let it look like a larger version of some of the totally and absolutely ugly dogs like the "Plaza" type that seem to be all over the convention area.

Design quality should be the bottom line and the city should have at least a say in how the "new" convention hotels represent the city.

A high density hotel means nothing without a quality character.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 5:19 PM
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Urban boy, I keep coming back to your fantasy Japantown/hotel block. I really think it is an execellent proposal. Have you considered presenting it to the city planning commission or anything? I know that's sort of a bold and assuming thing to do on our part, but members of the community should certainly have a voice in community planning, no? I just really love you idea and think it would be ideal for that block. Just a thought.
     
     
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My question is as follows and I know it has been explained before but I cannot remember.

Does Salt Lake City have enough of a convention draw to keep a hotel like that constantly booked without hurting the existing hotelier business?

If it i is viable then I hope they actually really consider the design and not just let it look like a larger version of some of the totally and absolutely ugly dogs like the "Plaza" type that seem to be all over the convention area.

Design quality should be the bottom line and the city should have at least a say in how the "new" convention hotels represent the city.

A high density hotel means nothing without a quality character.
Salt Lake draws more conventions than most cities its size and larger, but loses out on many of the very largest conventions because they don't have a convention center hotel that can accommodate all (or most) conventioneers in one hotel instead of several hotels.

Salt Lake City also has one of the highest hotel occupancy rates in the country, at one point it was second only to Hawaii, but I'm not sure about more recently. So, a convention center hotel won't hurt the overall hotel market in SLC. It might hurt Earl Holding the most of any hoteliers, but that's his fault for building mega hotels so far from the convention center.

SLC needs to do what is best for SLC and the Salt Palace, not what's best for Earl Holding.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 5, 2010, 8:18 PM
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Urban boy, I keep coming back to your fantasy Japantown/hotel block. I really think it is an execellent proposal. Have you considered presenting it to the city planning commission or anything? I know that's sort of a bold and assuming thing to do on our part, but members of the community should certainly have a voice in community planning, no? I just really love you idea and think it would be ideal for that block. Just a thought.
Thanks, I have considered it, but not seriously. Yes, I think members of the community should definitely have a voice in planning, this is what public input workshops are designed to do... to get public input. I just don't think these workshops are as obvious and inviting to the general public as they should be.
     
     
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If the city/state guv has a site in mind we'll probably never know about it. If property owners thought the guv wanted their land for a convention hotel, it might inflate the price a lot. There's probably things going on that we don't know about. I think the church-owned blocks north of the Salt Palace have an advantage because it's one owner who might be willing to work with the city without taking them for a ride. The Church might even build it.
     
     
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another good idea, urban boy. I like the continuation of Market Street. I really wish more restaurants, breweries, shops, would fill in those vacant lots in that area. That really should be our dining/entertainment destination area. Fill in 300 south, market street, and Pierpont between Main and 200 west.
     
     
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I would really like to see them fill in Pierpont, and especially get rid of that screwy parking terrace.
     
     
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Utah's ski resorts spring into the sports spot light

BY PAUL FOY
ASSOCIATED PRESS

SALT LAKE CITY -- In addition to great powder snow and a long winter, Utah's ski industry is blessed by the lingering buzz of the 2002 Winter Olympics, plus a major nearby airport that makes getting to Salt Lake City easy from other parts of the country...

http://www.miamiherald.com/living/travel/story/1458979.html
     
     
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Public Market

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Perhaps intergrate the parking garage into a highrise therefore opening another opportunity for development.

Would this public market be comparable to an outdoor farmer's /flea market?

Here in DC we have something called the Eastern Market. It has an outdoor and indoor portion. It is very successful and is also located in the middle of a residential neighborhood. I believe something similar would be quite successful in SLC if one already does not exist. If one does, what the heck, have another one in some other part of the city. See the link below:

http://www.easternmarketdc.com/
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Ya that buildings hawt- so much better than the original plan.

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There is an article in the New York Times about CCC and the recent parcels bought around downtown today. Here is a link and the whole article.

Huge Church Project Renews Downtown, and Debate

By KIRK JOHNSON
Published: February 7, 2010

SALT LAKE CITY — For many devout Mormons, Utah’s capital city is important mainly as a setting for the jewel that really matters: Temple Square at the city’s center. Brigham Young, the pioneer leader of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, laid out the urban grid with street numbers starting at the temple. The secular world was thus defined by the sacred core.

City Creek Center, expected to be completed in 2012, will include 20 acres of retail shops and about 700 apartments.

But now a hugely ambitious, $1 billion church-financed redevelopment project near the temple, called City Creek Center, and a wave of recent church property purchases in the vicinity are prompting a new debate inside the church community and out over where the line between culture and economics should be drawn.

Some residents say the church, by opening its checkbook in a recession, rescued the city when times got tough. The 1,800 construction jobs at City Creek alone have provided a big local economic cushion. Completion of the project — 20 acres of retail shops and residential towers — is scheduled for 2012.

“City Creek has been a literal and figurative godsend,” said Bradley D. Baird, the business development manager at the Economic Development Corporation of Utah, a private nonprofit group that has no direct involvement with the project.

Other people say that if the new heart of downtown has a strong church flavor, Salt Lake, which has become more diverse in recent years — could veer back toward its roots, for better or worse. About half of city residents are Mormon, according to many estimates, and if many, or most, of the roughly 700 apartment units at City Creek were occupied by Mormon families, the city could have a dramatic new feel.

“Our downtown has become a ghost town in my life — nobody lives there,” said Dan Egan, 55, a lawyer and church member who works near the site but lives in the suburbs. “Having several thousand people live down here will have a big impact, and having many of them L.D.S. would be a very interesting thing to see.”

Church leaders say they have no religious goals in mind for City Creek, or for their other recent acquisitions. Over just the last month, the church has bought three more properties, including a 13-acre parcel a few blocks south of City Creek. A spokesman said the purchases were investments.

“There will be no evidence of the church within those blocks,” said H. David Burton, a former corporate executive who oversees the church’s business interests as the presiding bishop. Mr. Burton said the civic spaces inside City Creek would be private property, but “with all the attributes of a public venue.”

Alcohol, for example — always a cultural flashpoint because of the church’s teachings to avoid it — will probably be allowed in City Creek, Mr. Burton said, under special contracts that will allow a restaurant wanting a liquor license to buy the underlying property. That would keep the church from being in the liquor business or from benefiting from liquor sales while still allowing sale and consumption on the premises.

As for who might want to move in, Mr. Burton said he thought proximity to the temple would make the apartments attractive to church families, but only time will tell. About 40 percent of the available condominium units have been reserved by deposit, but a church spokesman said the buyers’ religious affiliations were unknown.

“If I were making a guess — and I don’t have any empirical data — it might be more attractive to L.D.S. than to others,” Mr. Burton said.

One former Salt Lake City planning official, Stephen A. Goldsmith, who is not a Mormon, said he was thrilled by the thought of people moving back downtown, but feared that the church’s economic concentration would lead to a “Vaticanization” of the area.

“The concern is about having just one owner own so much of the heart of the capital city,” said Mr. Goldsmith, who was director of city planning from 2000 to 2002 and is now an associate professor of architecture and planning at the University of Utah.

Already, Professor Goldsmith said, a buffer zone of about 100 acres of church-owned properties, assembled gradually over the past few decades, rings the inner core. He said the “we/they” divide between Mormons and non-Mormons could widen if even more public space became private or was linked to one group’s cultural values.

Church leaders said the desire to head off economic decline in downtown was their prime directive at City Creek.

“Along with economic malaise comes an element that we were concerned about in proximity to the temple,” said Mr. Burton, the presiding bishop. That the temple area might one day start to feel dangerous was simply intolerable, he said. “With decay, sometimes comes crime,” he said.

Although lots of urban churches worry about those issues, the ones that can write a $1 billion check are rare.

“It’s certainly one of the largest, if not the largest project in the United States funded by a single entity, and the fact that the entity is a church makes it doubly unusual,” said Patrick L. Anderson, the chief executive and founder of the Anderson Economic Group, a Michigan-based real-estate consulting company.

Mr. Anderson, who said his firm had no economic involvement in City Creek, said such megascale urban redevelopment mostly went out of fashion after the 1970s and ’80s. That makes Salt Lake even more singular, he said.

Church officials said, however, that some of what they were doing was a throwback — to the 1930s. In the Great Depression, the church established a food and clothing distribution system for destitute members and bought land all over the state, establishing a precedent for wading in during hard times.

Now, some of those 1930s economic stimulus lands could come back into play. The Salt Lake City Council is considering another huge development project called the Northwest Quadrant near the airport, where the church owns a swath of land used long ago as a Depression-era church farm.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/08/us/08saltlake.html?hpw
     
     
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I'd like to see a dozen more projects like Broadway Park Lofts built downtown!! Thanks for the great pic H4vok.
     
     
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