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Notice the "Speakers' Corner, Celebration Stage", what was called "Performance Square" is missing. A component that was in all three original concepts is gone. Replaced with that useless globe thing and criss-crossed garden (middle of rendering). A space that would've made Gore useful as a public space.
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Performance Square was in all three original concepts. But now it's to be a flower bed.

So is there a place for speakers, performances etc. ie a public gathering component to this public space?

The water spouts were proposed on the other side of the street of the cafes/patios. I still fail to recognize how not including the waterspouts makes more room for more patios/cafes.

This is a public space and should be used for public gatherings. That's the point isn't it? Am I missing something? or is the new, newer, newest Gore purpose for the public to marvel at beds of marigolds. (for 3 months of the year, when flowers bloom)

I'm not seeing an improvement. It looks to me to be the same thing basically without the busses and less tree canopy. It doesn't seem to me to have a larger function.

Okay so I get to walk up and down the 150 meters of the south side of King without busses. But no new real reason to do that.

I'm giving this plan a C- ... less then a mediocre attempt to change the function of Gore Park to a "authentic use" as a Public Space.

I'd be interested to know what the "public input" resulted in? The entire 6 hours. Did the City even consider it? I don't think so. Like all the other "public input" meetings they have.... they're token attempts to look like they care.

Actually, I think legally they have to have the public input. If not it's a spin attempt to look like they're listening to us. But not legally bound to consider them. Go ahead ask your Ward Councilor what came out of the "public consultations" on Gore Park on Sept 9th. He/She probably will have no idea what you're talking about and ignore you. But go ahead vote for them again.

I doubt the public said, get rid of the Performance Square, and DO NOT put washrooms. Both very bad ideas for the public. A pubic forum and public washrooms do not belong in a public park/space.

We even had to have the Gore Park 'public consultation' on private property (Crown Plaza) for public input on public space. Next time we need to have a public consultation it won't be in Gore Park, because it's still useless as a public forum.
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Performance Square is what will be at Hughson and King.

http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/3FC4...MasterPlan090929PreferredPlanrevised.pdf
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I know.

I just went over that. Look at the Spec's rendering.

It shows a flower garden where this PDF shows a "Performance Square".

So what are we getting?
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The garden section is an alternative.
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Go ahead and ignore what I said about the waterspouts and who'll operate the multitude of cafes and patios.
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The garden section is an alternative.
Alternative to what? I thought this was the plan announced today? It shows no Performance Square.
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It's just an alternative haha, just that, nothing more.
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From the original Carriage Scheme, which is what the final revised choice is based on. Showing the Performance Sq at Hughson.

Now note. The rendering announcing the final concept in the Spectator.

In front of those Canada flags. What's that? Not a Performance Square.

The Fountain would be a great back drop to public music and speaker events.

Hey Hamilton! Want to get more coverage on National news? Make a stage with the Fountain as a back drop and you got a great photo for the news stories. It could be something other then using the James N Allen Skyway view as a backdrop to a voice over, about a giant fire or jail escapees from a hospital.
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Now note. The rendering announcing the final concept in the Spectator.

In front of those Canada flags. What's that? Not a Performance Square.
That picture didn't come from the Spec, it came from me. That's my photobucket link. I got that rendering.

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The middle block, between John and Hughson, will honour Hamilton's veterans with a memorial wall, the cenotaph and a public art piece.
The expanded war monument block, while a noble and sober statement, will doubtless be problematic for carefree fun, however much they cheer the zone up with camou-foliage.

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The whole park is based on a Victorian Carriageway theme.
A 21st century pedestrian-only area modeled after a 19th century road? Charming!
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so are we all commenting on a false rendering?

Like the giraffes, and the fence? What was the point of showing that rendering?
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Do I forget all my other comments? Are they not relevant?

So what is the real proposal? Another, wait until it's done. like our City Hall.

Is there a Performance Square? Are there waterspouts?

I'm not being sarcastic. I'd like to know what the real plans for Gore are.
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Everything is the same as the final plan expect....

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There's 23 pages regarding the changes to Gore Park and there's a bunch of proposals that I've posted, goes back to 2007.
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Gore Park the way it should be
Restored fountain ready to enchant downtown again

April 30, 2010
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http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/761031
As dawn breaks Saturday, a flatbed bearing precious cargo will roll into downtown Hamilton.

A work crew and 40-ton crane will toil all day. And when they're done, the beloved Gore Park fountain will be back where it belongs.

It's been absent -- out of the country, in fact -- for half a year.

You may recall that it is a replica of the first one, which was installed in Gore Park 150 years ago.

Hamilton had just built its first pumphouse, still out there on Woodward Avenue. It started bringing in a million gallons of water a day from the lake, so there was plenty to power a fountain.

For a century that Victorian showpiece anchored downtown Hamilton. People met at it, sat by it, fell under its spell.

But in 1959 the city knocked it down, said it was old and worn out. In its place, they installed three water-filled saucers, a gift from some well-intentioned Kinsmen. But the new fountain device looked like something from the Jetsons. Most hated it.

In the summer of 1960, a cheque for $200 arrived at this newsroom, made out to The Spectator in trust, "for the rehabilitation of the former Gore fountain only.

"I don't want this fund for those squirts there now," said the donor. "My garden hose does a better job than they do ... Hamilton has always been noted as the city with the lovely fountain."

Decades passed. Then Dennis Missett of the Head-of-the-Lake Historical Society came up with the idea of bringing the fountain back for Hamilton's 150th birthday, which was in 1996.

The Society spearheaded a $600,000 fundraising campaign and the job was done. The late and legendary foundry king Archie Mccoy built the fountain. And the top bowl and spire were saved from the original.

There was a ceremony and some predicted the fountain would mark the rebirth of downtown.

A lot to ask, even of a graceful 10-tonne cast-iron structure. But people have enjoyed that fountain. They've even thrown lots of money in it, made many a wish.

And the fountain has ended up on banners. It is the symbol of the core.

But six years ago, Therese Charbonneau noticed something disturbing. She is the city's senior conservator and watches our monuments with a careful eye. And she saw that the replacement fountain was already in trouble. She saw rust.

She brought in a consultant and the problem was clear. Whatever coating had been applied to that raw cast iron before the painting process was just not providing the protection it should.

It was pointless to paint the fountain again. New corrosion would just keep popping it off.

Restoration would be a specialized job. Only one bid was received, but it was from a fully qualified restoration outfit in Oberlin, Ohio, called McKay Lodge Conservation Laboratory. Their price, $114,000.

So last November, the fountain was disassembled and hauled over the border.

It's a job of precision. For instance, the city's consultant advised it was important this time that the protective coating be applied fast after the iron was stripped.

So the city specified the coating had to go on within 24 hours, as long as the relative humidity remained below 50 per cent.

McKay Lodge then provided hourly measurements of the humidity in the time before application of the coating -- a durable product designed for aerospace and military purposes. It should be good for 25 years.

This week they loaded the fountain pieces back on the flatbed. The lower bowl has eight sections, each weighing nearly 400 kilograms.

At this moment, the fountain is at a crane company in Mississauga, where they're doing a partial assembly before tomorrow morning's trip.

It could take all weekend to bolt and seal the fountain back together. On Monday, Joe the plumber -- not the infamous political one from Ohio, but a talented local one, last name Laratta -- will try some test spurts.

And at 11 a.m. next Saturday, May 8, there will be a celebration to mark the fountain's return and "150 years of Municipal Drinking Water in Hamilton."

All those years ago, when the city was debating that first fountain, a writer for the Hamilton Times made a wise observation:

"To erect a public fountain is a work of charity and mercy, a moral and virtuous act. It cannot be misapplied, it can never become obsolete."
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Gore Park gets its fountain back
Edition No. 4(a) in core back on stream

May 04, 2010
Mark McNeil
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Rust never sleeps in the city of steel.

And this was the case when Hamilton's senior conservator Therese Charbonneau noticed metal corrosion on the 1996 Gore Park fountain replica less than 10 years after it was erected as a sesquicentennial project.

It took some years to put together the $114,000 to do the repairs, and last fall the double-dished water wonder was packed up and sent off to Ohio restoration company McKay Lodge Conservation Laboratory.

Now the structure awaits an official rededication ceremony this weekend.

The fountain is actually the fourth over the past 150 years. Here is a short history of the city's 150-year effort to keep the water flowing in the Gore:

Fountain one

The original Gore Park fountain was built in 1860 for three reasons:

* To help give an unsightly park a new image.

* To commemorate the visit of His Royal Highness Edward Prince of Wales, who dedicated it that September.

* As a symbol to celebrate water infrastructure which pumped safe water to the community.

The 8-metre fountain had two shallow bowl-shaped levels with the top bowl smaller than the bottom one.

It was dedicated as, "a symbol of the city representing the public spirit of citizens who wished to make their community's commercial core a place of beauty as well as a place of commerce."

It lasted until 1959 when it became an eyesore and safety hazard. The city tore it down.

Fountain two

In 1960, a $10,000 Kinsmen-financed fountain with three bowls was installed.

People hated it. The style was modern and variously described as having "flying saucers," "gravy bowls" or "pie dishes."

A letter writer to The Spectator said, "My garden hose does a better job than they do."

The fountain had technical problems as well and much of the time ran dry.

Fountain three

In 1970, a $135,000 replacement was built and described as "a miniature Niagara Falls for downtown Hamilton."

It had a 8-metre spray in the centre surrounded by a circle of smaller jets. A series of lights painted the fountain in various colours.

In 1971, a prankster made the news by pouring laundry powder into the fountain creating a mass of suds. But there was no damage.

Fountain four

By the 1990s, the Head-Of-The-Lake Historical Society wanted to recreate the original fountain in time for the city's 150th anniversary in 1996.

The Fountain Foundation was formed to raise more than half million dollars to pay for it.

The replica was built by Archie McCoy, using the upper bowl and spire that was saved from the original fountain.

The new fountain weighed 25 tons and was the same height as the original.

The design included 12 lights, one 15-horse-power engine and 24 jets of water that could be set at three settings.
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Very cool, except they failed to proofread the posters that went up on the fencing surrounding the fountain.

It's beyond me how they hire such incompetent staff, or how the final version gets by the management. You'd think the printer, at least, would take a quick look at it.
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Minor tax charge will smooth city road work


http://www.thespec.com/news/local/article/476789--minor-tax-charge-will-smooth-city-road-work

City staff are recommending cutting or reducing several city programs to free up money to update city infrastructure.

At council’s request, city finance staff have suggested several initiatives that can be stalled or cut entirely so funding can be redirected to infrastructure – especially crumbling roads.

The general issues committee also heard a staff recommendation Friday to add a 0.5 per cent charge onto residential tax bills to fund upgrades to roads, transit and city buildings, the same percentage added to 2010 tax bills. That amounts to $14 for the average household and will bring in an additional $3.25 million to city coffers.

Though councillors were receptive to staff’s recommendations, the final decision on these issues will be left to council’s budget discussions in February.

“This sounds like a really doable, livable plan,” said Councillor Tom Jackson.

The programs that will be cut include upgrades to the old courthouse at 50 Main Street, a commercial property improvement grant, and IT improvements. Programs that will be deferred to another budget year include refurbishing the kitchen at Macassa Lodge, a youth recreation study and a Gore Park pedestrian pilot project.

In total, that frees up $3.257 million for infrastructure. City finance staff have already allocated $2.7 million out of the waste management budget towards road repair.
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Taking money away from a pedestrianization program to pay for... roads. Business as usual in Hamilton.
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