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Old Posted Jan 18, 2010, 10:39 PM
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Thank goodness my boarding stations are at the end stations. Bridgeport and Waterfront Station... so I should be able to get seats
     
     
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Thank goodness my boarding stations are at the end stations. Bridgeport and Waterfront Station... so I should be able to get seats
Not necessarily...
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2010, 10:47 PM
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I think we should sell the Mark I cars to Scarborough, as they have tracks that can only support Mark I cars, and Bombardier can fix up the old cars. There is no way Bombardier is going to make a fresh run of them.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2010, 10:48 PM
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Crossing my fingers. I'm getting really scared about my daily volunteer trips.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2010, 10:53 PM
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Another article - more pressure on Broadway & Commercial - but with a more practical tone overall - i.e. "Surrey Central is still a work in progress - as opposed to an inflamatory tone...

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How to finance TransLink

By Michael Goldberg, Special to the Sun
January 18, 2010

Finances once again plague Trans-Link. Despite more than $7 billion invested in public transit, Trans-Link has little ability to pay for capital or operating expenses and earn a return for British Columbians. The TransLink board is forced to reduce desired service levels and expansion plans to meet this financial stress.

Relatively simple and proven solutions abound in dozens of cities around the world. The tools to implement these solutions unfortunately are not within TransLink's limited powers, resting largely with the province. For TransLink to prosper it needs greater powers to meet its responsibilities and expectations.

In successful transit systems, transit is planned and operated as part of an integrated urban transportation system. Transportation and land-use planning and development are closely integrated and often within the same agency. Given this integration, transit-transportation agencies usually have broad powers to set transit fees and road tolls to balance the real costs borne by automobile and transit users. Many have significant powers over land use and urban development adjacent to stations, which provides: the ability to share in the increased land values that result from higher accessibility and land values near stations; large pools of riders who live, work and shop in transit-linked dense development; and strong rental income for transit operators by leasing station property to retail and service businesses. Finally, most have powers to borrow for capital needs.

TransLink has none of these powers and cannot appropriate the associated financial benefits that they bring. It exists in an environment with very limited supportive zoning and development planning around stations by municipalities (especially Vancouver). Ridership and revenue fall well below what they can be, resulting in financial stress.

Let's explore the benefits to transit financing and service levels if Trans-Link were given the following two key powers: to set transit fees and road tolls to balance the real costs borne by automobile and transit users; and to set land use and zoning adjacent to stations. To understand the importance of these, let's see what happens because TransLink does not have these powers.

The inability to set transit fees and road tolls means transit riders pay virtually the full cost of the transit services they use, but automobile users pay much less, especially considering the congestion and pollution costs they impose and the subsidies they receive from free streets and roads. Transit thus operates at a considerable cost disadvantage and the ability to switch automobile users to more environmentally sound and land-use conserving transit is severely hampered. The playing field is not level; it's tilted against transit in an era of increasing concern about sprawl, congestion and greenhouse gases. Conclusion: TransLink needs the ability to set tolls on roads, particularly tolls that vary with peak demand, to help manage automobile and highway use and put transit on an even cost footing.

Next consider the inability of Trans-Link to set land use and zoning adjacent to stations. Most transit stations, especially those in Vancouver, are surrounded by low-density land uses, producing low ridership levels and tax revenues. There are good examples of station-area density in Burnaby: Metrotown and Patterson are notable but still densify less than half of the optimum station impact area. Emerging station-area development in Surrey City Centre, New Westminster's core and Richmond City Centre with the Canada Line are still works in progress and unable as yet to have a positive impact for TransLink.

Turning to the worst examples of station area development, Vancouver tops the list: Commercial and Broadway is the worst, Oakridge close behind, and the supposedly "densified" Cambie and Broadway is also ludicrously underdeveloped despite exceptional transit access and ridership potential.

The opportunity costs of not having higher densities are high: less flexible land uses and lower ridership. Without a larger customer base, a financially unsustainable TransLink results, as does continued sprawl development, decreased housing affordability, inefficient urban form, congestion and pollution -- all creating a region less conducive to attracting businesses and talent for the future, leading to decreased global competitiveness from high internal transportation and real property costs.

Potential benefits from granting TransLink needed powers are equally high, including: an added tax base through higher density; compact, efficient urban form and low servicing costs; added toll revenues while shifting auto users to transit; greatly increased ridership and fare box revenue; and a more economically and ecologically sustainable region.

We have not seized the opportunities TransLink created, while simultaneously imperilling its finances. We need to equip TransLink with the powers to succeed and do it quickly given long planning and development lags in transportation and property development.

The future can and should be rosy. The needed changes exist in hundreds of cities globally.

There is nothing scary that we have to do -- we have already densified successfully and have lots of successful models to borrow.

Michael Goldberg is at the Sauder School of Business at the University of British Columbia.

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Old Posted Jan 18, 2010, 11:01 PM
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I think we should sell the Mark I cars to Scarborough, as they have tracks that can only support Mark I cars, and Bombardier can fix up the old cars. There is no way Bombardier is going to make a fresh run of them.
In the long-term, it would probably be cheaper to simply re-do the one section that prevents them from using Mark II's and then purchase brand new Mark II's...the Mark I's we give them will only be good for another 15-20 years.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2010, 11:02 PM
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^ i could definitely see a 1-hour wait for the Canada Line.


Don't forget about the airport.
Oh gesh, I completely left out the yvr spur. Yes, Airport will be crazy, mostly leading up to the games and then as they wind down and end. I don't know if it is true, but I heard that all taxi's and non-accredited bus services going to the airport are going to drop people off at templeton to keep the traffic under control around the terminal buildings. Has anyone else heard this?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2010, 11:05 PM
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Another article - more pressure on Broadway & Commercial - but with a more practical tone overall - i.e. "Surrey Central is still a work in progress - as opposed to an inflamatory tone...
Nice to see that article come from Sauder.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2010, 11:25 PM
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In the long-term, it would probably be cheaper to simply re-do the one section that prevents them from using Mark II's and then purchase brand new Mark II's...the Mark I's we give them will only be good for another 15-20 years.
Latest out of TO is that the SRT is being converted to LRT. Maybe we (or Detroit) will buy their old MKIs.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2010, 11:34 PM
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What I can't get is why CLine ends service at 1:15 for the Olympics while the rest of the system stays running till 2:15 (Seabus and Skytrain). During NYE CLine ran an our later, why not for the Olympics.
There are conflicting statements about this. One of the press releases, and a Province article, both said the CLine will be running until 2:15 during the Olympics. I have a feeling that 1:15 is just bad information.
     
     
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Yes, I heard that too about Templeton station...forgot to mention that regarding my discussion with the attendant...

Apparently, they're going to try and inform and educate the public as we get closer that Templeton will be the preferred drop-off and pick-up point during the games (as well as beyond the Games for an alternative pick up point) to ease traffic at the airport proper.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2010, 12:45 AM
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^ is the Templeton Station drop off point a good idea for the Games? Consider how packed the trains will be during the Games, plus the fact that riders will have to wait 6-7 mins for a train (or more if they're full). This is the first impression visitors will have once they get out of the terminal.

If I were in charge, I'd have one of the two spare trains act as an airport shuttle train between YVR and Templeton during the Games.
     
     
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^ is the Templeton Station drop off point a good idea for the Games? Consider how packed the trains will be during the Games, plus the fact that riders will have to wait 6-7 mins for a train (or more if they're full). This is the first impression visitors will have once they get out of the terminal.

If I were in charge, I'd have one of the two spare trains act as an airport shuttle train between YVR and Templeton during the Games.
Just run all 18 trains, and have extras around when major flights are landing. How many people can land on YVR's runways and get through customs in an hour vs. the C-Line capacity at YVR. Not to mention most people will simply hop in a cab, it's still cheap to get downtown compared to airports around the world.

This Templeton thing is a convoluted solution in search of a problem.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2010, 2:20 AM
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the surcharge started today

anyone go to the airport and see what it was like?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2010, 2:46 AM
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I think we should sell the Mark I cars to Scarborough, as they have tracks that can only support Mark I cars, and Bombardier can fix up the old cars. There is no way Bombardier is going to make a fresh run of them.
I totally agree get rid of them they —, In the summer they get really hot and smell. No one is going to want to get out of their cars if they have to ride in those pieces of —. The new model mark 2 cars are so nice, it makes taking transit comfortable. I was talking to my grandfather who lives in New West and is finally starting to give up driving and he will wait just for the mark 2 cars because he likes them much better. They are better designed for comfort, they actually have air circulation so they don't smell, plus people feel better with cameras in them, epically when the cars are loaded with drunks coming back from the fireworks. One last thing on nights like the fireworks, please have transit police and actual police there not letting the really drunk people on to the trains as it can ruin a good night, I know this from experience. People who can barely stand and are acting combative just walk past security and they let them on, that is one of the main things keeping people away from transit.
     
     
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Maybe you've seen this video. MK1 6 car train in New West

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMaXy-Vbvsw
I was on a 6-car train today. It messed me up a little when the doors on the MK1 didn't stop at my usual waiting place on the platform @ Broadway.

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There are conflicting statements about this. One of the press releases, and a Province article, both said the CLine will be running until 2:15 during the Olympics. I have a feeling that 1:15 is just bad information.
According to Translink's website at http://www.translink.ca/en/utilities/2010-games/february-2010-extended-services.aspx, C-Line will maintain normal operation hours.
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SkyTrain’s Expo and Millennium Lines from downtown Vancouver to Burnaby, New Westminster and Surrey will offer more frequent service with trains arriving as often as every 108 seconds during peak periods every day, including weekends, from 5:00 a.m. to 2:15 a.m. the following morning during all 17 days of the Olympics.

The new Canada Line, linking the Vancouver International Airport (YVR) to downtown Vancouver and Richmond, will operate from 4:50 a.m. to 1:15 a.m. the following morning.
This is the drawback with multiple transit operators, even service integration cannot be maintained.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 19, 2010, 4:18 AM
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Crossing my fingers. I'm getting really scared about my daily volunteer trips.
Don't mean to scare anyone, but according to Translink's prediction, there may be 1 to 2 hours wait for bus/train. Also C-Line most likely would implement crowd control measure at downtown stations, ie. blocking the platform and forcing people to form long lineup outside the stations.

I don't live nor work in downtown so I will be avoiding the area as much as I can.
     
     
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translink is telling people to adjust their commute and if possible go to work an hour earlier than usual and leave work an hour later than usual - so if you are used to leaving at 7 you should leave at 6am

i was overhearing some women talking about it on a semi busy sunday c line one was like how am i suppossed to do that i can't just change my work hours

they weren't too happy or excited for the 2 hour waits
     
     
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translink is telling people to adjust their commute and if possible go to work an hour earlier than usual and leave work an hour later than usual - so if you are used to leaving at 7 you should leave at 6am

i was overhearing some women talking about it on a semi busy sunday c line one was like how am i suppossed to do that i can't just change my work hours

they weren't too happy or excited for the 2 hour waits
Everyone I've talked to that works in an office environment has said they've been called in for staff meetings to discuss special arrangements during the Olympic period. I realize retail or service workers might be a different story, but I would hope most employers have put plans into place. Employers have no one but themselves to blame if they haven't been thinking about this -- it's only been on the news pretty much every night since Christmas.
     
     
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