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Old Posted Jan 16, 2010, 6:51 PM
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You're saying high prices aren't a deterrent to the South Asians, Filipinos, Columbians and Eastern Bloc immigrants?
Pretty sure we got us a lot of Filipinos.

And if you are REALLY poor, probably, chances are, Canada as a whole is a bit unattainable as it is a lot more expensive than many other Countries, including USA.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2010, 6:51 PM
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Vancouver has many things those cities don't have... but we lack one very important thing that they do have... HISTORY.
genius has no history, for example, me personally...

anyways,

we got some chinese, and some filipino, that's enough to make the place a global city, what else do u need...

from the past few yrs, i've seen more flilipino than ever, that is enough evidence to convince ourselves that we r becoming more global~
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2010, 7:17 PM
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You're saying high prices aren't a deterrent to the South Asians, Filipinos, Columbians and Eastern Bloc immigrants?
No it doesn't deter them. Most of them are renters. And if they choose to buy a house, they are multi-generational or with 2 families so there might be 4 to 6 incomes contributing to the mortgage. Also, don't forget that cities have the most extensive immigrant services plus the established ethnic communities make it much easier to move here.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2010, 7:31 PM
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Vancouver has many things those cities don't have... but we lack one very important thing that they do have... HISTORY.
Vancouver doesn't lack History. You can find it by visiting any number of sites that locals tend to ignore, but fascinate visitors:

Museum of Anthropology
Fort Langley National Historic Site
BC Museum of Mining
Gulf of Georgia Cannery National Historic Site
Power House at Stave Lake
Vancouver Museum
West Coast Railway Heritage Park
etc etc to name a few
     
     
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My wife is Filipino and is immigrating at the end of the month.
Marrying me helped make it more attainable though
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 16, 2010, 9:22 PM
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Vancouver doesn't lack History. You can find it by visiting any number of sites that locals tend to ignore, but fascinate visitors:

Museum of Anthropology
Fort Langley National Historic Site
BC Museum of Mining
Gulf of Georgia Cannery National Historic Site
Power House at Stave Lake
Vancouver Museum
West Coast Railway Heritage Park
etc etc to name a few
these things dont have the depth and variety offered in other parts of the world, and they dont play much in today's culture..

on the other hand, i dont think tourists come to vancouver for culture, as they go to paris for...

this city is just a gateway and business place between east and west...
     
     
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Only 50% of British Columbians expect the Games to have a positive effect on the province, and that number is dropping:

Support for the 2010 Olympics is more tepid in British Columbia than elsewhere in Canada — and our ambivalence about the Games appears to be growing rather than declining as we get closer to the arrival of the Olympic torch in Vancouver, according to an Angus Reid public opinion survey.

The online poll found that 50 per cent of British Columbians believe the Winter Olympics will have a mostly positive impact on the province compared to 73 per cent of all Canadians who think B.C. will benefit. A similar poll by Angus Reid in November found that 57 per cent of B.C. residents expected the Olympics would be a boon for the province...

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/2010w...ames+than+rest+Canada/2466061/story.html
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 22, 2010, 2:59 AM
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Vancouver is such a notoriously last minute town. I know of bands that have nearly pulled out due to lack of early ticket sales... but the day before will sell out and have scalpers at their door.

I suspect this is a lot of that. That and it's not like we've had a lot of good local olympic news lately -- with melting snow, traffic, etc. None of the benefits and all of the pain right now. Wait until February
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2010, 12:00 PM
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what about the weather?


There's an el Nino happening right now, and friends tell me the flowers are out, and so forth, as is usual in an EL Nino year.

But, by February - March, the Time of the Olympics, is this expected to have any real adverse effect on the snow conditions then? (I know it rained super-hard already, weakening the snowpack).

It would be the ultimate irony if a freakishly warm winter raised the snowline and made snow conditions unsuitable. I assume there are contingencies for this. Weren't there Chinooks during the Calgary Olympics which were handled alright?
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2010, 3:38 PM
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There's an el Nino happening right now, and friends tell me the flowers are out, and so forth, as is usual in an EL Nino year.

But, by February - March, the Time of the Olympics, is this expected to have any real adverse effect on the snow conditions then? (I know it rained super-hard already, weakening the snowpack).

It would be the ultimate irony if a freakishly warm winter raised the snowline and made snow conditions unsuitable. I assume there are contingencies for this. Weren't there Chinooks during the Calgary Olympics which were handled alright?
That is why they closed Cypress mountain down until the Olympics. They've been saving both man-made and collected snow because they knew this would happen and they wanted to be prepared.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2010, 6:58 PM
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Thus far, the impacts on Whistler and Callaghan Valley have been minimal. They continue to get snow . . . it's snowing in Whistler as I type this. It is true, however, that temperatures are a degree or so higher at Whistler than during an average winter. It is interesting to note that, once you get above the valley floor, Whistler actually has received more snow than average this winter.

So at this point anyway, we're really talking about conditions on Cypress. The extrapolation of that to imply "all" the outdoor events require man-made intervention is one aspect of the reporting that bugs me, but expected. That's how reporting works these days.

Early on late summer when El Nino was first predicted, I recall reading an article that talked about the specific impacts of El Nino on the Coastal mountains. The article indicated that the impacts were often earlier in the winter (Dec & Jan) and that by February & March, the El Nino impact was nearly negligible (conditions nearly matching typical winter averages).

Of course, averages can be wrong, and now we're getting into specific dates, not averages. What happens just prior and during the specific timeframe of the Olympics is what will matter most. But I recall the article because it kind of surprised me. The data showed that, when looking at specific winter months, El Nino impacted conditions during the peak of winter but had far less impact on the end of the winter season.

I still tend to think it's a lot of needless angst, but we are at the jittery phase pre-Olympics so every little negative tidbit is going to be magnified and fretted over.
     
     
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That is why they closed Cypress mountain down until the Olympics. They've been saving both man-made and collected snow because they knew this could happen and they wanted to be prepared.
Fixed this statement for ya.
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vanoc is holding a stiff upper lip about the lack of snow - hopefully it works out for them but if you just look at the mountains you can see there is barely any and the fly over news reports mak it looke even worse as its pretty bare up there - its possible it could snow but thats not too likely now 3 weeks a lot can change rain could wash away what little is left up there
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Only 50% of British Columbians expect the Games to have a positive effect on the province, and that number is dropping:

Support for the 2010 Olympics is more tepid in British Columbia than elsewhere in Canada — and our ambivalence about the Games appears to be growing rather than declining as we get closer to the arrival of the Olympic torch in Vancouver, according to an Angus Reid public opinion survey.

The online poll found that 50 per cent of British Columbians believe the Winter Olympics will have a mostly positive impact on the province compared to 73 per cent of all Canadians who think B.C. will benefit. A similar poll by Angus Reid in November found that 57 per cent of B.C. residents expected the Olympics would be a boon for the province...

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/2010w...ames+than+rest+Canada/2466061/story.html
People elsewhere in Canada don't feel all the road closures etc... That's the only reason I can think of that would result in a lower percentage for BC.
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2010, 9:40 PM
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vanoc is holding a stiff upper lip about the lack of snow - hopefully it works out for them but if you just look at the mountains you can see there is barely any and the fly over news reports mak it looke even worse as its pretty bare up there - its possible it could snow but thats not too likely now 3 weeks a lot can change rain could wash away what little is left up there
. . . on Cypress Mountain. None of this statement applies to Whistler or the Callaghan Valley, where most of the outdoor events are taking place.

I'm not saying that Cypress might not become an issue . . . it may if it rains for the next three weeks. But the vague "no snow on the mountains" impression is exactly what the media has been pressing (or implying) this week, implying that ALL the venues are at risk. That simply isn't accurate.
     
     
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2010, 9:44 PM
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. . . on Cypress Mountain. None of this statement applies to Whistler or the Callaghan Valley, where most of the outdoor events are taking place.

I'm not saying that Cypress might not become an issue . . . it may if it rains for the next three weeks. But the vague "no snow on the mountains" impression is exactly what the media has been pressing (or implying) this week, implying that ALL the venues are at risk. That simply isn't accurate.
The media coverage of it is ridiculous. But journalism has turned more in to entertainment and ratings grabbing headlines than actual news.

Whistler, as of today, has had 9.6 meters (31 feet) of snow, and the base is currently at 2.81 meters (that's over 9 feet).

It hardly looks problematic.
http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/weather/cams/whistler/index.htm

However, this can't turn in to a talking point for the mis-informed masses to talk about how much of a failure the Olympics will be
     
     
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Cypress is the only issue, but I think it is a fairly big issue. I am really really praying for snow for them. The skiercross course may turn out to be a joke if they don't have enough snow. It also is going to look horrible for the TV cameras with all the dirt and mud around. Keep your fingers crossed everyone.
     
     
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no worries about the looks, they will make mud look pretty.
     
     
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Vaughan Palmer report that that notorious group of Lefties, the Sauder School of Business finds:

Only demonstrable benefit of the Olympics: The feel-good factor

-British Columbia should not expect a major economic boost from hosting the 2010 Winter Olympics, judging from a report released this week by the Sauder School of Business at the University of B.C.

"We do not find support for the argument of host city backers that the Olympics delivers positive economic benefits," said co-author Tsur Somerville, who with Jake Wetzel reviewed real estate prices and construction employment to gauge impacts in a half-dozen host cities.

After comparing data from before and after a city hosted the Games, they also concluded that neither was there evidence of "some sort of post-Olympic bust."No bust? Small consolation for taxpayers on the hook for billions of dollars worth of Olympics-related expenditures, sold to them on a promise that the Games would mean major economic blessings.

When B.C. launched its bid for the 2010 Winter Olympics 12 years go, the then New Democratic Party government claimed they could bring $1 billion worth of economic growth and 25,000 jobs.

Modest, compared to what came later. Soon after the B.C. Liberals won the 2001 election, Premier Gordon Campbell was saying "the Games will pay for themselves" and touting spinoffs of $2.8 billion worth of economic activity and 67,000 jobs....


....Some 12,000 jobs? More like 100 jobs. Maybe as few as 25. Up to the end of 2008, the accounting firm concluded, the B.C. economy grew by about one-tenth of one per cent as a result of the Games. Then came this week's release of the findings from the Sauder school, which gave no more basis for thinking the boosters got it right on the economic impact.

But the report did suggest other, more realistic consolations for fans of the Olympics. "While the findings suggest no economic gain, " wrote the two academics, "the Games still present a very real opportunity to celebrate excellence, athleticism and human achievement. The societal impact of valuing the Olympic ideals goes far beyond economic and politics. Hosting the Games ultimately reflects pride in our athletes, city and country."

The feel-good factor, in other words. Had the boosters left it there from the outset, the public would probably have less claim to feeling misled about the supposed payoffs from playing host to the Olympics.


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