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Old Posted Jan 13, 2010, 7:14 PM
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I actually agree with everything they are saying. They are being especially lenient in going with split Main/King operations. Two way LRT on that tiny slice of King is going to kill the traffic flow. As it is in it's current configuration, traffic gets REALLY bad at rush hour, and pretty congested at other times of the day.

I really think the best course of action is putting all of the LRT on Main St with 1 lane of traffic in each direction on either side. Possibly street parking on the South side.
I agree. At first I supported LRT on King because having a line run through the middle of the city (Gore Park) would be extravagant... it would truly feel like a city center. However, the more I think about it the more I agree that Main street would be better suited for LRT. King st., IMO, is already doing better than Main street. International Village and the businesses on the south side of Gore Park are doing fairly well. Main street is a little bit of a mess, and it seems desolate and severely underutilized.

No on-street parking on King would also be a problem in the International Village. Two way traffic on Main with LRT would really help to liven the street and make it more pedestrian friendly.

Importantly I think we could also see intensification of businesses along Main between Dundurn and Hess. Some former houses along that stretch (which are, for the most part, well taken care of) are already home to Dr.'s, Spas, clothing stores and restaurants, and although there isn't a solid street wall I see a lot of potential along that stretch. It also has close proximity to Hess and Locke street and would be an excellent area for condo developments and density intensification, only made sweeter and more attractive with LRT.
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Rapid Transit survey results

January 13, 2010
http://dailynews.mcmaster.ca/story.cfm?id=6566

Results of the recent rapid transit survey show the McMaster community strongly supports a proposed light rail system for Hamilton. Respondents also indicated they prefer a campus terminal that is within reasonable walking distance of main buildings, provides connections to existing transit hubs and is respectful of the Campus Plan.

More than 1,500 students, faculty and staff completed the survey which was organized by the City of Hamilton and McMaster. They were asked to share their transit practices and preferences and provide opinions about Hamilton's proposed rapid transit initiative.

Survey respondents were asked about their preferred mode of rapid transportation. Nearly two-thirds chose light rail transit as their preferred choice.

The survey also found a light rail line could change commuting habits. More than 85 per cent of respondents who don't currently use public transit to get to McMaster said a light rail transit line would cause them to re-consider how they commute.

Community members were asked to rank the importance of a variety of factors the University should consider when planning the location of a rapid transit terminal on campus. Reasonable walking distance to main buildings, connection to other transit hubs and being respectful of the pedestrian priority area as outlined in the campus plan were ranked highest.

"We are thrilled with the tremendous survey response from the McMaster community and look forward to future consultation with stakeholders throughout all phases of the rapid transit planning process," says Jill Stephen, the City of Hamilton's acting director, Strategic Planning and Rapid Transit."

During the input phase, the University received important feedback from members of the campus research community about possible terminal locations. More information is being sought about the potential impacts of light rail transit on research labs and equipment.

"The survey results clearly show the community is eager to have rapid transit service campus," says Roger Trull vice-president University Advancement. "Once the City has finalized its plans and routes, the University's next step will be to determine an appropriate terminal location that is convenient and provides connections to other transit, while being respectful of both the campus plan and needs of our research community."

The City is working with Metrolinx, the provincial body responsible for expanding transit in the Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area. Hamilton's priority is a Light Rail Transit (LRT) system which includes a McMaster to Eastgate Square line along the present B-line corridor. The City is awaiting a final recommendation from Metrolinx for the project.

For more information as rapid transit plans evolve, please visit www.hamilton.ca/rapid-transit or contact the City's rapid transit team at [email protected] or 905-546-2424, ext. 2553.
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Rapid Transit Office letter to Downtown and International Village BIA’s

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Hey welcome back to the SSP Omro! Noticed you haven't posted for a while...
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Old Posted Jan 13, 2010, 8:50 PM
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Hey welcome back to the SSP Omro! Noticed you haven't posted for a while...
Thanks! Well spotted. I'd stepped away from the forum for a while. So that this thread doesn't get off topic, I'll post some info in a thread I started when I get home from work.

I was encouraged to return when I had noticed the article in the Spec about LRT. I've always maintained that Main would be a better choice than King for LRT downtown, being that it needs the economic spin off way more than King, so I'd remind people of the poll I started way back when

I've always maintained that Hamilton needs LRT and I'll have it anywhere sensible rather than not, but I still think Main makes better sense than King.
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One of the funny things about traffic is that when you reduce available lanes on a busy road, congestion doesn't necessarily increase dramatically. Often drivers find alternative routes that work better. Traffic flow, congestion etc aren't linear processes that respond in a direct or indirect way. Its very organic.
Not to mention the fact that if we are serious about improving transit in the city and reducing automobile use, then half-measures aren't going to accomplish the goal. The argument being made by business owners smacks of "business as usual" despite making a big change in our transit service. Concern about traffic flow through the area emphasizes getting THROUGH the area. The downtown should be the destination rather than the route to another destination. These are all the mindsets that need to change in order for high order transit and downtown renewal to succeed.
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Light rail transit line finds support on Mac campus

January 14, 2010
Danielle Wong
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/704788

A recent survey of the McMaster University community found faculty, students and staff support a proposed Hamilton light rail system.

More than 85 per cent of the respondents who do not currently use public transit to travel to campus said they would consider changing their commuting habits if a light rail transit line was available.

The survey, conducted online and in person on campus for two weeks in December, also showed about two-thirds of participants preferred light rail transit as their mode of rapid transportation.

About 1,500 people participated in the voluntary survey organized by the city and university.

The university has a student population of about 22,000.

McMaster's vice-president of university advancement said yesterday he was pleased with the results. "We were encouraged by the tremendous support for the light rail system in particular," Roger Trull said.

"I think (the proposed system) would certainly have a positive effect on efforts we're already making on sustainability," he said. "And it would be easier for students to feel part of the broader Hamilton community."

Fourth-year life science and computer science student Affaf Ahtisham agreed.

"Commuting to and from campus is pretty inconvenient as it is right now," Ahtisham said, adding it takes him 45 minutes to bus to campus from his home on the Mountain.

The proposed $650-million project is waiting approval from the province and its regional transportation authority, Metrolinx. The project would include a McMaster-to-Eastgate Square line along the HSR's present B-line corridor.

Jill Stephen, the city's acting director of strategic planning and rapid transit, said the feedback comes at a great time because the project is still in its planning and design stage.

Concern has been raised around the proposed terminal's location conflicting with McMaster's campus plan, which protects its pedestrian core and pushes transit to the perimeter.

Trull said the survey only asked students to discuss proposed locations on the edge of campus and students showed preference for one within walking distance to main buildings.

More discussion is needed about the line's exact route, Trull said, adding lab and university researchers have "sensitive equipment" on campus they need to make sure is not affected by the transit line.
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One of the funny things about traffic is that when you reduce available lanes on a busy road, congestion doesn't necessarily increase dramatically. Often drivers find alternative routes that work better. Traffic flow, congestion etc aren't linear processes that respond in a direct or indirect way. Its very organic.
Not to mention the fact that if we are serious about improving transit in the city and reducing automobile use, then half-measures aren't going to accomplish the goal. The argument being made by business owners smacks of "business as usual" despite making a big change in our transit service. Concern about traffic flow through the area emphasizes getting THROUGH the area. The downtown should be the destination rather than the route to another destination. These are all the mindsets that need to change in order for high order transit and downtown renewal to succeed.
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2010, 8:13 PM
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Light-rail transit study a year away

January 20, 2010
By Meredith MacLeod
Hamilton Spectator

It will be more than a year before the traffic impacts of running light-rail transit through the heart of the city are known.

A detailed study of everything from the impacts on cars and property owners to where stations should be located and what kind of technology should be used, will not be complete until March 2011.

The tendering for the planning, design and engineering report will close Feb. 8.

The city’s transit group has proposed a B-Line running east and west on King Street from Eastgate Square to McMaster University be the top priority for funding from Metrolinx.

It’s expected the Metrolinx board will say yes or no to light-rail for Hamilton at its Feb. 19 meeting.
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Old Posted Jan 20, 2010, 11:58 PM
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Here's the tender.....

C11-12-10

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1/14/2010
Closing
2/9/2010

Proposal for Professional Consultant Services for Rapid Transit Preliminary Design and Feasibility Study

OVERVIEW
Hamilton’s Rapid Transit Team anticipates initiating the planning, design and engineering stage of its rapid transit work for the B-Line and the feasibility planning for the A-Line in Winter 2010. Building on the work led by the City of Hamilton and Metrolinx to date, the key objectives outlined in this document are:

Part 1: to advance the design of an east-west rapid transit line (B-Line) from Eastgate Square/Centennial Parkway to McMaster University, taking the project to a maximum state of implementation readiness. For the purposes of this study, the work program will be based on two-way traffic with a two-way light rail transitway in the median, utilizing King Street through Hamilton’s downtown from Highway 403 through to the intersection of Main Street and King Street (the Delta).

Part 2: to complete the feasibility component for an north/south rapid transit line (A-Line) from the waterfront to the Hamilton International Airport in order to identify the preferred alternative that aims to optimize ridership and corridor development opportunities, minimize project costs and provide a seamless connection to the B-line (Main/King) Rapid Transit corridor. The feasibility study may also identify the local environmental conditions within the various transit project alternatives, to aid in the selection of the preferred corridor.

Although separate and distinct corridors, where possible and where required, studies from each part of the workplan should be co-ordinated in order to ensure compatibility between systems recommended for the A-Line and the B-Line and convenient connections between each corridor.

OPTIONAL INFORMATION MEETING
Due to space the City is requesting that one representative per lead consulting firm take part in the optional information meeting.

Time: 1:00 p.m. Hamilton time
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010
Location: Board Room 400A,
77 James Street N Suite 400, Hamilton, ON (see location map attached)

Proponent’s not able to attend will have the option of participating in the Optional Information Meeting via conference call. Proponents are required to follow the instructions below:

JOINING A MEET-ME CONFERENCE
Local – Dial: 905-546-2424, and the 4-digit conference bridge extension 8546
Long Distance – Dial: 1-877-446-2424, and the 4-digit conference bridge extension 8546

· Buyer: Lesley Parker-Bowen - 905.546.2424, Ext. 5973
· Number of addenda issued: 1 1
· Document Fee: $40.00
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2010, 12:09 PM
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Answers to LRT questions long way off
Study into downtown traffic flow won't be finished until March 2011

January 21, 2010
Meredith Macleod
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/708940

While the city has set its sights on light rail running east and west on King Street, it will be more than a year before the traffic impacts are known.

A detailed study of everything from the impacts on property owners and the potential economic uplift to where stations should be located and what kind of technology should be used will not be complete until March 2011.

A big part of the planning, design and engineering study currently being tendered will be a "microsimulation" of traffic flow through dozens of intersections, with the big question being where will traffic go if light rail transit (LRT) cuts off King at Wellington.

The study will need to look at turning patterns, traffic queues at red lights, time to clear intersections once a light turns green and impacts on emergency response times.

The city has said a light-rail line running east and west on King Street from Eastgate Square to McMaster University is its top priority for funding from the province's transit authority Metrolinx.

A part of the city's proposal is the possibility of removing all street parking along the stretch, shutting down King between Wellington to west of Mary to cars, and restricting any left turns to intersections with traffic lights.

Those changes are opposed by the two business improvement areas in the downtown core, which advocate splitting the east and west lines along King and Main.

Not only does the city want to see detailed traffic data for every intersection along the 16 kilometres of King Street, they want the successful consultant to study the impacts along all the other major routes, too -- Main, Barton, Cannon and north-south routes such as Sherman and John -- to see if the capacity is there to take cars avoiding King.

"Basically, we told them to look at everything from the base of the escarpment to Barton," said Jill Stephen, the city's director of strategic and environmental planning, who is heading the transit project.

The tendering for the report will close Feb. 8.

It's expected the Metrolinx board will say yes or no to light rail for Hamilton at its Feb. 19 meeting.

Stephen says it's projected 30 to 40 per cent of vehicles would avoid the King Street corridor, at least in part, if trains were running along it.

Close to 9,000 cars on a typical day make the trek west on King at Wellington Street, for instance.

"Traffic is so vital to this," said Stephen. "We know not everyone will take the LRT or can walk or cycle to where they want to go. King and Main are the main arteries to get across the downtown."

According to preliminary projections, LRT on King and making Main Street two-way would increase traffic on York, Aberdeen, Main and Dundurn, but it's unknown by how much.

Transportation expert Richard Soberman says neighbourhoods often object to any reduction in lanes for cars, even though transit is generally agreed to be the best, most sustainable way to deal with congestion and pollution.

He points out that the conversion of a streetcar line along Toronto's St. Clair Avenue to light rail was held up for a year because of objections to losing car lanes and parking.

Provincial legislation, such as Places to Grow, and many municipal planning policies, including Hamilton's, call for intensification in urban development.

"Everyone agrees with it unless they're the ones being intensified," said Soberman, former chair of civil engineering at the University of Toronto.

According to an opinion survey released by the Federation of Canadian Municipalities yesterday, 30 per cent of Canadians cited improving local transit as a way to improve quality of life in their cities.

That came in third behind improving local infrastructure at 57 per cent and cutting taxes at 45 per cent.

One in 10 Canadians said inadequate local transit was the top risk to the nation's economy.
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They're really married to King St., aren't they? You'd think as they're just in the study stage, and it's such a long way off, they would at least take a sideways glance at Main.
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My thoughts exactly. Months ago I emailed the Hamilton Transit task force asking for a copy of the study that determined King as more favourable than Main, and have not been given a response of any kind. I suspect this decision is being based on conjecture than hard fact, and this disturbs me deeply.
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I'm definitely disappointed that they aren't looking at alternate route options. Being obsessed with King Street solely worries me. For every decision that we make, we should always have a plan B in case our first plan isn't feasible. It's too narrow a vision.

I'm concerned about things being set up for failure...
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^ Letting politicians decide where transit will go is a key part of the shift from the old EA process to the new compressed one. In the past too often EAs just became multiheaded monsters, trying to be all things for all people.
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Old Posted Jan 21, 2010, 9:24 PM
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^ Letting politicians decide where transit will go is a key part of the shift from the old EA process to the new compressed one. In the past too often EAs just became multiheaded monsters, trying to be all things for all people.
While streamlined processes are great. They are. It would be nice to have a justification for the single-option approach rather than including an impact comparison across alternate routes.
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^ Letting politicians decide where transit will go...
My understanding is this is coming mainly from staff at the moment.
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