HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Transportation & Infrastructure


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #4821  
Old Posted Jan 9, 2010, 6:37 AM
CLC CLC is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 877
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpongeG View Post
so do these people have to buy the two zone fare saver tickets? what if you buy a book and never have any use for it afterwards? they may as well pay the $5 and go
You are quite right. Two-zone faresavers book likely cost $30.5 coming April. If the visitors have group of four adults or more, then they can save by buying a book vs paying $8.75 each
     
     
  #4822  
Old Posted Jan 9, 2010, 6:41 AM
Dave2 Dave2 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 541
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeeCee View Post
Sure, but it's technically fare evasion. If you're leaving Sea Island, you should pay the fare. The fare gates should stop this once installed, however, as they shouldn't allow those in unless they had a prepaid ticket or purchased the AddFare.
I meant that if you have a FareCard, or even a Faresaver, you don't need to pay the $5.00 "Leaving Sea Island" surcharge

Last edited by Dave2; Jan 9, 2010 at 7:18 AM.
     
     
  #4823  
Old Posted Jan 9, 2010, 6:45 AM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 39,984
can you also use a ticket if it still has time on it?
__________________
belowitall
     
     
  #4824  
Old Posted Jan 9, 2010, 7:17 AM
Dave2 Dave2 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 541
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpongeG View Post
can you also use a ticket if it still has time on it?
I'd guess yes, but see

http://buzzer.translink.ca/index.php/2010/01/questions-and-answers-about-the-yvr-addfare/#more-7125

or

http://buzzer.translink.ca/index.php/201...-mon-jan-18-heres-how-it-works/#comments

and if that scenario didn't come up, that would be the blog to ask in.
     
     
  #4825  
Old Posted Jan 9, 2010, 9:39 AM
cabotp cabotp is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 2,813
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave2 View Post
The new MK-IIs seem to have a problem with the dip under the viaducts inbound; it's like they panic and apply the brakes fully for about 3/4 second. Jhenifer at the BuzzerBlog mentioned that they had adjusted the trains to avoid "The Whip" further west on the line before Stadium; it's like the new trains are, "OMG, I'm going too fast, must SLOW DOWN NOW" I'd rather go back to the whip
That was one of best parts on the whole line. It felt like a roller coaster through there. I used to love standing and seeing if I could make it without holding on

Quote:
Originally Posted by GeeCee View Post
Sure, but it's technically fare evasion. If you're leaving Sea Island, you should pay the fare. The fare gates should stop this once installed, however, as they shouldn't allow those in unless they had a prepaid ticket or purchased the AddFare.

Considering the fact the system should let you on at any of the airport stations because travel to them is free. What will probably happen is when you get to a station beyond templeton (off Sea Island). Then you will need to use your ticket to get past the fare gate. If your ticket is invalid it won't let you out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SpongeG View Post
can you also use a ticket if it still has time on it?
As per the buzzer blog Q&A

# If I want to go from Waterfront to YVR and back to Waterfront, and I buy my ticket from a TVM at Waterfront, do I need to add $5 on my fare when I get to YVR for the way back?

If you travel out of YVR before your original ticket expires, you are fine. If not, and you require a cash or credit card purchase for the return ticket from Sea Island, then you have to pay the YVR AddFare.
     
     
  #4826  
Old Posted Jan 9, 2010, 9:50 AM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 39,984
i just read that there thx

its still a viable option for most people and i think most family tourists in larger parties have pre-arranged transfers
__________________
belowitall
     
     
  #4827  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2010, 3:08 AM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 39,984
__________________
belowitall
     
     
  #4828  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2010, 6:02 PM
BCPhil BCPhil is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Surrey
Posts: 2,578
I think the term "add fare" for travel from YVR is improperly used.

We already have things called add fares. They are for increasing the number of zones you can travel on your previous fare. Using the same term for travel from YVR is confusing.

It should be called a tariff. It sounds like it basically works like a $5 "tax" on purchases of cash fares from Sea Island TVMs. If you can avoid buying your ticket from a Sea Island TVM, then you can avoid the tax.

It sounds like to be in compliance with fares, all you need is a valid ticket/pass when you leave Sea Island. If you buy your ticket from a TVM at the airport, you get dinged a $5 fee. If you have any other valid fare from any other source, you are OK.

It sounds like a very simple, elegant and fair system. I'm in 100% favor of this implementation. A one time $5 fee on cash purchases (basically to tourists, as most locals would opt for at least a book of faresavers, who get to avoid a $40 cab ride) is a good compromise and alternative to making everyone pay $2.50 on top of what ever form of fare they have, and simplifies the point of sale process as you don't have to specify you are going to the airport if you buy from a ticket machine at Waterfront. Simple. Perfect.
     
     
  #4829  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2010, 6:29 PM
Zassk Zassk is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,303
^ The airport addfare is a very elegant solution, yes. It makes me wonder if we can add other destinations to our rapid transit network and isolate them with similar tariffs.

How about rapid transit to Tsawwassen ferries, with an extra fee at the terminal, but regular fare for South Delta residents?
     
     
  #4830  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2010, 8:40 PM
GeeCee's Avatar
GeeCee GeeCee is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Port Coquitlam, BC
Posts: 2,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zassk View Post
^ The airport addfare is a very elegant solution, yes. It makes me wonder if we can add other destinations to our rapid transit network and isolate them with similar tariffs.

How about rapid transit to Tsawwassen ferries, with an extra fee at the terminal, but regular fare for South Delta residents?
How would area residents be identified at TVMs?
     
     
  #4831  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2010, 9:02 PM
Conrad Yablonski's Avatar
Conrad Yablonski Conrad Yablonski is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 700
Question

A reference to Fare Gates has me confused, I've ridden Waterfront to the end of the line in Richmond and seen none, are these gates to be installed @ the airport?
     
     
  #4832  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2010, 10:50 PM
Zassk Zassk is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,303
Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad Yablonski View Post
A reference to Fare Gates has me confused, I've ridden Waterfront to the end of the line in Richmond and seen none, are these gates to be installed @ the airport?
The exact quote was "fare gates once installed". Fare gates will not be installed until 2013, therefore you have seen none, and are confused.
     
     
  #4833  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2010, 11:38 PM
Hed Kandi's Avatar
Hed Kandi Hed Kandi is offline
+
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 8,575
Why I hope the False Creek streetcars stick around
Bob Ransford

Sun

Saturday, January, 09, 2010


One important project this year can trigger the kind of redevelopment that will shape sustainable urbanism and real livability in more than one Vancouver neighbourhood.

This one single project can clearly demonstrate a commitment to return to a time in Vancouver when public transit set the pattern for an urban fabric that made it easy for everyone to live in distinct neighbourhoods that are complete neighbourhoods and have easy access to jobs, services and recreation without having to drive a car.

This one project can be pointed to as a true Olympic legacy left behind after the Winter Games--a legacy that could be a powerful form-maker for Vancouver's future growth. In fact, the promise of this project is being dangled right in front of Vancouverites, in a way teasing us all during the upcoming Olympics.

I am talking about the Olympic Line -- Vancouver's 2010 demonstration modern streetcar line showcasing for two months the potential to one day reintroduce the streetcar to Vancouver's streets.

That one day could be soon if the city continues to take the lead and plan creatively to keep the streetcar running after the Olympic demonstration and quickly expand it by a few kilometres.

Interestingly, the Olympic Line doesn't involve TransLink, the region's cash-strapped, but all powerful transportation authority. Instead, it's an innovative joint venture between the City of Vancouver, Bombardier Transportation and the federal government's Granville Island.

Beginning in a couple of weeks and through to March 21, the Olympic Line demonstration streetcar project will run between the entrance to Granville Island and the new Canada Line Olympic Village Station at West Second and Cambie. As part of its partnership, Bombardier, a world leader in urban transit technology and a respected Canadian-born company, is providing two of its ultramodern Flexity-brand streetcars on loan from Belgium's Brussels Transport Company. The city invested $8.5 million to upgrade the 1.8-kilometre portion of Downtown Historic Railway line on which the two low-floor streetcars will run. Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp., Granville Island's administrator, provided an addition $500,000 to the project.

This project demonstrates that a streetcar, operating at grade on existing rights-of-way, is a relatively inexpensive form of public transit, especially when compared to tens of millions of dollars per kilometre it costs to build the neighbourhood-unfriendly elevated or subway SkyTrain.

The partnership between the city, Bombardier and Granville Island that made this project happen serves as an example of the kind of innovative partnership that can be forged to bypass the typical politically complicated mega-project structures that seem to take forever to get a project off the ground.

With very little effort and relatively few dollars, the Olympic Line could become permanent and expanded to achieve multiple objectives.

First, by extending the line east through the city's Southeast False Creek lands--through the heart of the Olympic Village development--across Main Street and less than another 2.5 kilometres east to the Clark Drive Sky-Train Station, this streetcar line can effectively link all three main rail transit lines: the Canada Line, the Millennium Line and, through the Commercial and Broadway Station, the Expo Line.

Crossing Main Street means providing transit access to the False Creek flats, one of the city's largest tracts of land ripe for redevelopment, and the logical area for a new form of expanded downtown.

Planners have long fretted over the threat of losing this once-industrial district to another single-use residential neighbourhood. They know any sustainable city needs a service and light industrial district close to its downtown. They also know that the central business district eventually needs room to grow to maintain downtown jobs and those jobs need to be close to inner-city housing.

With neighbourhood-scale transit access that links the area to the region's transit backbone, the False Creek flats could be transformed into an urban district that takes its cues from all that is good and has been good in the past in Vancouver.

The Vancouver of the distant past saw richly diverse mixed-use neighbourhoods originally form around key streetcar lines. The False Creek flats could become a district rich with a mix of light industrial, processing, service-commercial, retail, residential and recreational uses. The form of development could take its cue not from the highrises of the downtown peninsula, but from the midrise density of Southeast False Creek with European-style narrow streets in a grid pattern that provides form to a neighbourhood easily served by a linear at-grade streetcar line.

With a streetcar line effectively linking the three rail transit lines that bisect Vancouver and tying together a number of key bus lines, the justification for increased density around Vancouver's transit stations and key transit intersection becomes even clearer. This holds the promise of the city moving toward a form of ecodensity that will provide the kind of housing supply needed to keep housing prices from continuing to skyrocket.

Finally, a permanent streetcar line terminating at Granville Island provides further justification for a continued public reinvestment in the island and its aging facilities. Granville Island is now more than 30 years old. Significant dollars need to be spent to maintain and renew the heavily used public place. By making it easier to access the Island, especially without the car, there will be a renewed focus on this world-renowned urban jewel.

Let's hope, before the Olympics are over, a few bright minds sit down and figure out how to keep the Olympic Line running and realize the promise of the first phase of a real streetcar project to enhance Vancouver's future urbanism.

Bob Ransford is a public affairs consultant with CounterPoint Communications Inc. He is a former real estate developer who specializes in urban land use issues. E-mail: [email protected]

© Copyright (c) The Vancouver Sun
     
     
  #4834  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2010, 11:44 PM
Zassk Zassk is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,303
Running the streetcar to VCC-Clark and Commercial are interesting ideas.

I am surprised more noise isn't made to extending the streetcar line the other way - along the old right-of-way to Broadway & Arbutus, then on to Kerrisdale. With a future option of extending it further to Marpole and Marine Drive Station. Surely this would not cost very much.
     
     
  #4835  
Old Posted Jan 12, 2010, 12:02 AM
Mac Write Mac Write is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,423
and provide the missing B-Line on Granville (except it would be Arbutus instead).
     
     
  #4836  
Old Posted Jan 12, 2010, 12:07 AM
Zassk Zassk is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,303
Isn't the "missing B-Line" on Cambie, now? :-)
     
     
  #4837  
Old Posted Jan 12, 2010, 6:03 AM
Mac Write Mac Write is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,423
No since it doesn't stop on Granville where people actually need to go!
     
     
  #4838  
Old Posted Jan 12, 2010, 6:13 AM
CLC CLC is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 877
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac Write View Post
No since it doesn't stop on Granville where people actually need to go!
Cambie is not a bad route chosen anyway, particularly since it goes near Langara College. It is simply non-stop stream of people walking in and out of the Langara-49th skytrain stop throughout weekday daytime.
     
     
  #4839  
Old Posted Jan 12, 2010, 7:21 AM
Zassk Zassk is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,303
I am surprised if Granville is considered a more important route than Cambie, what with Langara, VGH, City Hall, Oakridge... the list goes on... What important destinations are on Granville? Marpole and Broadway? To me Granville never merited the amount of transit that it had before. Not to say that some people don't need to get to places like South Granville, but we don't need every commuter travelling through there for the sake of a few.
     
     
  #4840  
Old Posted Jan 12, 2010, 8:25 PM
CLC CLC is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 877
Some guy at SSC states that Canada Line ridership is at 105,000 ppd, don't know how does he get the "new" number. (I don't have account at SSC to ask)
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Transportation & Infrastructure
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 12:04 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.