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January 4, 2010

Montgomery, Normandale malls languish despite new owners

By Cosby Woodruff

Two of Montgomery's older malls -- Montgomery Mall and Normandale Mall -- watched another Christmas shopping season come and go from the sidelines despite out-of-state developers' promises to revitalize the properties.

It has been more than 10 months since Kansas City developer Joseph G. Arnone, of Arnone and Associates, announced plans to revitalize Normandale. His schedule for construction at the property has been pushed back several times by what he calls difficulty in arranging financing.

More than six months ago Atlanta-based Blue Ridge Capital acquired most of Montgomery Mall and said it hoped to turn it into some sort of hybrid government, medical, education and retail center.

The company recently said it is still making final plans for the empty space and that it hopes to begin making tenant announcements early this year.

Until recently, the company didn't even list the property as being available for lease on its Web site, but company vice president Steve Patrick said it was never put on the back burner.

"We are still working with levels of market demand," he said when asked about the status at the mall. "That is all we are doing at this point."

The company's marketing brochure for the property focuses on its location and traffic count. In fact, it promises almost 40,000 vehicles daily passing the property along both the South Boulevard and East Boulevard.

It also points to the property's future as something other than a retail center.

"The site is being readapted for medical/educational/government focused uses," the brochure tells prospective tenants. "Local municipal governments and civic groups actively support efforts to transform the former retail site into a re-energized community destination.

"BRC is working with these groups to create a project which serves the needs of the citizens of greater Montgomery, especially those living in the south Montgomery area."

Blue Ridge Capital isn't the first company to make promises of revitalization for the Montgomery Mall.

Dothan-based Venture 1 Realty was the front-company in a 2007 sale of the mall from Glimcher Realty Trust. Venture 1, it was later revealed, handled the transaction for North Carolina-based Haywood Whichard.

Whichard has purchased under-used malls in other places. Some of those have been revitalized, often in partnerships with Blue Ridge Capital, while others have been allowed to deteriorate further, according to published reports.

Venture 1 made vague plans to revitalize the mall, but any remaining retail tenants left the property by the third quarter of 2008.

Montgomery Mayor Todd Strange said the city has offered its support for both projects but has received no specific requests for help.

He pointed to a weak economy as a likely reason the developments have not grown as quickly as expected, and added that Montgomery will not provide large amounts of direct funds to make things work.

"That is the role of private enterprise," he said.

At least the Montgomery Mall project is making some public progress. The Normandale development has been at pretty much a standstill from the public point of view.

For Thomas Smith, part owner of Hall and Smith Shoe Repair, that is pretty much the normal course of action.

The small store opened more than a decade ago at Normandale when the center was well into its decline.

Smith said he has heard promises of improvements, revitalization and other help at regular intervals since then. He has heard the promises so often that he no longer pays any attention.

He can't ignore the empty store fronts, leaking roof, unused parking spaces, graffiti and broken windows, but he can't do much about it either.

That doesn't keep him from hoping.

"It would mean a great deal if they did it," he said of the latest effort to remake the center.

"It would help our business to survive."

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THREE POINTS RENEWAL: Montgomery partners with firm to revitalize neighborhood

By Jill Nolin

Milton Shepherd Jr. remembers when his neighborhood, which is on the outskirts of downtown Montgomery, was a thriving community with businesses and services. The 59-year-old wants that neighborhood back.

So does the city of Montgomery.

"We used to have a washateria and stores and bakers. We used to have all that in the neighborhood. That's what I would like to see happen in the future," said Shepherd, who is the coordinator for the Three Points Neighborhood Watch.

A small nook just south of Cottage Hill and to the east of Interstate 65, the Three Points neighborhood always has been generally lumped with "west Montgomery." Now the neighborhood is trying to brand itself as Three Points, and the city has a plan to help the neighborhood drastically change its image.

The plan calls for a three-phase project that will cost $25 million just in the first phase and will create a mixed-use, mixed-income development in what is now a distressed part of the downtown area.

The project also would preserve the more than one-mile segment of the Selma to Montgomery National Historic Trail that connects Mount Zion AME Zion Church on Holt Street to the state Capitol.

But the city of Montgomery does not intend to do it alone. In fact, such a large-scale project only is possible because the city has partnered with more than 20 other entities, according to Community Development director Desmond Wilson.

"The (public) funds just don't go far enough. To do a project of this magnitude, you've got to bring other organizations into the mix and make it work" said Wilson, who grew up in the neighborhood.

That includes a public-private partnership with a group called the Five Star Consortium LLC. Mike Ingersoll, managing partner for Five Star, said the for-profit company plans to invest about $10 million into the first phase.

Like with Lanier Court, a housing development off West Fairview Avenue, and other projects along West Fairview Avenue, the city is making the initial investment in hopes of spurring interest from the private sector.

"Again, it's one of those things where the government is sort of priming the pump to redevelop the area. It's similar to a field of dreams where the private sector will hopefully come in and help with the redevelopment effort," Deputy Mayor Jeff Downes said.

The city likely would spend, at the most, up to $2 million of city funds throughout the life of the entire project, according to Wilson.

The rest of the funding will come from other sources, such as Community Development Block Grants from the federal government. Wilson said the city is concentrating a consider portion of its CDBG allocations in the Three Points area.

Five Star, since it is a private company, will be able to use new market tax credits offered by the U.S. Department of the Treasury through the Community Development Financial Institutions Fund. Ingersoll said the credits, which are for economic development projects in distressed areas, are available for 39 percent of the total project cost.

But before any physical changes will happen in Three Points, Five Star must first finish acquiring the properties in the area. About half of the properties, which are throughout the neighborhood but are concentrated along Mobile and Mildred streets, already have been acquired. One of those buildings housed the K&C Lounge, which was not allowed to renew its lease.

Then the transformation will begin. Wilson said there are not many commercial structures that are salvageable, so the buildings will either be deconstructed and rebuilt with the original materials or they will be demolished entirely.

Initial focus will be placed on the intersection of Mildred and Mobile streets, which Downes said would be the epicenter of the development. The goal is to bring businesses and services to this commercial area. Lofts also could be built.

A component of the project would offer assistance to homeowners in the area who are willing to restore the homes in the area.

What happens in the second and third phases depend on the success of the first phase. Five Star has signed a contract with the city of Montgomery saying it will redevelop the area in five years. If the project is not a success, the city will become the owner of the acquired properties.

Wilson compared the project to what is known as the Sweet Auburn Historical District in Atlanta. Like the Three Points neighborhood, Sweet Auburn is a historically important black neighborhood that started to die off when the interstate system cut the area off from the community.

Prior to Interstate 65, the neighborhood stretched over to West Jeff Davis Avenue. After that, it became an undefined area off by itself on the other side of the interstate.

Wilson said the city wants to mimic what was done right with Sweet Auburn and improve upon things it believes could have been done better. The intention is make the Three Points neighborhood's link of the Selma to Montgomery Trail an area where tourists will feel safe to visit.

There are about 400 households in the area, and right now the majority of those homes are rentals. It's important for the neighborhood's future for that to change, said Clare Watson, who is the coordinator for the Weed and Seed program in Montgomery.

Three Points is part of the Weed and Seed, which is a U.S. Department of Justice program that is strategy-based, as opposed to grant-based, and focuses on neighborhoods with violent crime, drug abuse and gang activity.

"You need people living there with a stake in the neighborhood. Enticing people to move back gives support to the people who have started the neighborhood watch," Watson said, referring to the people who started the neighborhood watch about five years ago.

"There are people who are trying to improve the neighborhood. They just need more support," Watson added.

Gary Sharp, project manager for the city, said the project will include affordable housing, but he said that does not mean the quality of the housing will be compromised. The goal is to create a diverse community.

Shepherd said he and other residents in the neighborhood are anxious to hear more about what that plan entails. The information void has left residents worried about what might come into the neighborhood, according to Shepherd. The Holt Street residents, he said, the homeowners just do not want more clubs or game rooms.

Wilson stressed that project is not intended to displace the residents. Rather, he said the goal is to create jobs through new businesses in the area.

Sharp said the federal government's definition of economic development success is creating one job per $25,000 invested for two years.


Montgomery officials are looking to revitalize the Three Points neighborhood, which includes locations on Mildred and Mobile streets.


This is an artist’s rendering of a completed Mobile Street/Five Star project.


Buildings along Mobile Street in the Three Points neighborhood, including K&C Lounge, mostly sit unused.
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"Again, it's one of those things where the government is sort of priming the pump to redevelop the area. It's similar to a field of dreams where the private sector will hopefully come in and help with the redevelopment effort," Deputy Mayor Jeff Downes said.
It's a bit concerning they are thinking of it as a "Field of Dreams" scenario...I've been that play out all over the state and fail miserably. The Alley wasn't exactly a "Field of Dreams" when they had other already committed to investing when the city started to move forward. The purchasing of property by non-profits is a start, but I don't think that it means the city should go ahead and start sinking their money into improvements.
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I want Dexter to "re-develop" first
(and would love to see a new state house down by the fountain)

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Five Star, since it is a private company, will be able to use new market tax credits offered by the U.S. Department of the Treasury through the Community Development Financial Institutions Fund. Ingersoll said the credits, which are for economic development projects in distressed areas, are available for 39 percent of the total project cost.

But before any physical changes will happen in Three Points, Five Star must first finish acquiring the properties in the area. About half of the properties, which are throughout the neighborhood but are concentrated along Mobile and Mildred streets, already have been acquired.

This may be a part of the development thoraudio was hearing hints about a while back. And Five Star was the company buying up land throughout the Mildred Street area.

This is great news for the Cottage Hill neighborhood downtown. Along with Centennial Hill, the Tulane development, and the Trenholm redevelopment, there is lots of momentum going on for reinventing downtown neighborhoods.
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I want Dexter to "re-develop" first
(and would love to see a new state house down by the fountain)
Agreed!!
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Developers Have Lofty Plans for Old Adams Avenue Apartments

Well timed article in today's Montgomery Advertiser. I say this because I noticed the sign announcing these lofts a week or so back and had planned to stop and take some photographs for our forum. Unfortunately, the cold weather and the warm environment of my truck always kept that from happening! ;-)
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/arti...ty-plans-for-old-Adams-Avenue-apartments

Developers have lofty plans for old Adams Avenue apartments
By Cosby Woodruff • January 7, 2010

Foshee Management Co. believes there is a demand for downtown living space, especially affordable down­town living space, and plans to help meet that demand by opening less-expensive loft apartments on Adams Ave­nue.

Foshee Management Co., which represents the major­ity of new loft apartments in downtown Montgomery, plans to open Adams Ave­nue Lofts later this year.

The apartments will rent for as little as $535, which is more than $100 less than any similar apartments that are now operated by the compa­ny.

Beau Daniel, Foshee's di­rector of operations, said a growing demand for down­town residences prompted the building's owners to start renovations.

The building, at 500 Adams Ave., was built dec­ades ago as an apartment complex. It served that pur­pose for years, but about 30 years ago it began losing ten­ants as downtown lost its ap­peal as a place to live.

Now, as people move back to town, the building is get­ting a second life.

Workers began tearing out fixtures Monday. Re­moving outmoded appli­ances and features in the building is expected to take most of this month. Then workers will begin replacing fixtures and appliances in February.

The entire project should be complete by the end of May, but Foshee is market­ing the property for a July 1 occupancy date.

The apartments will be a mix of original fixtures and new items. Original hard­wood floors and real wood interior doors will remain. Kitchens will be upgraded, and mechanical systems will be replaced.

The apartments will all be single bedroom with 540 to 625 square feet, but the whole complex will be differ­ent than other downtown rental units, Daniel said.

Workers will knock out a stairway and make a breeze­way entrance into an en­closed courtyard, where Fo­shee will offer a barbecue grill and tables.

"It will make it more of a community," Daniel said.

Daniel said the demand for such residences has grown to the point that he expects several more proper­ties to become apartments in coming years.

"I know other property owners are looking at it," he said.

Difficulty arranging fi­nancing for apartments is one of the things holding back development, but he predicted that will change soon.

Part of that is because of the speed with which down­town apartments fill once they reach the market.

Most developments are at least 75 percent rented by the time they open their doors, according to Daniel.

"I think these will be 100 percent pre-leased," he said.
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I don't know if last night was the first night, or just the first time I noticed it, but did anybody else see that the pedestrian bridge and river tower were lit up? Looks pretty good (if subtle compared to the Casino style lighting at the Convention Center).
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Developer Breathes New Life into Folmar-Siegelman Home

Jill Nolin did a good story in today's Montgomery Advertiser concerning a home that had been an eyesore in our historic neighborhood. We (the Old Cloverdale Association) worked long and hard with Martha Roby, Historic Southview Inc., and several others in orchestrating what has been a favorable outcome so far.

John is a good guy and has worked on numerous properties in our area. We are looking forward to when these renovations are complete!
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/arti...thes-new-life-into-Folmar-Siegelman-home

Developer breathes new life into Folmar-Siegelman home
By Jill Nolin • January 10, 2010

A postman doesn't take a walk on his day off, and John Aspin­wall, who restores houses in the Old Cloverdale area as his job, wasn't about to live in an old house.

That has been Aspinwall's at­titude for the 20 years he has been working on older houses. But then he had the opportunity to buy a home in Old Cloverdale, which narrowly escaped demo­lition, for $10.

Now, he's putting his sweat and money into transforming a dilapidated Park Avenue struc­ture -- the former residence of both former Gov. Don Siegel­man and of the parents of long­time Montgomery Mayor Emo­ry Folmar -- into a home for himself and his wife.

Aspinwall, who currently lives at Lake Jordan, has lived in newer neighborhoods throughout his life, but his fu­ture home will offer things his previous homes could not: Big trees and a sense of character created by years of stories.

This home not only is packed with character, but also has a historic marker at the corner of property thanks to the fame of its past owners.

The home was built in 1935. Folmar's parents lived in the home from 1955 to 1979, when the house was sold to then-Ala­bama Secretary of State Siegel­man. Siegelman lived there un­til 1999, and there have been no known permanent occupants since.

During the past 10 years, the home has been essentially left abandoned. It appears that only light maintenance, such as mowing the lawn, was done on the yard and nothing was done to keep up the house. Unoccu­pied and unsupervised, the house was left vulnerable to vandals who stripped the home of its valuable materials.

Decay set in. Most destructive were the leaves that gathered on the roof and led to significant water damage in three areas of the house. On top of that, about half of the foundation had sunk at least 10 inches into the soft soil that is notorious in Old Clo­verdale.

The city had condemned the house, which is valued at $148,500, according to the Mont­gomery County revenue com­missioner's Web site. A contrac­tor whom the previous owner hired to demolish the house said it would cost about $166,000 to make the repairs needed just to bring the home up to city code. It would cost even more to re­store the home's beauty.

Maybe it would cost the aver­age person that much to restore the home, but Aspinwall is not the average person. Aspinwall has made a career out of restor­ing old homes and can do the majority of the labor himself, saving thousands of dollars.

The only areas where he can­not skimp are the kitchen cabi­nets and the appliances, be­cause those are the things he cannot do on his own.

"I'm excited about it. This is right up my alley," Aspinwall said of the challenge to restore the structure. "With a lot of Old Cloverdale houses, this is not unusual."

Plus, he said he has actually worked on homes in worse con­dition. Aspinwall, who says he has finished most of the "heavy work," said he could be finished restoring the home by the spring.

The love being put into repair­ing the house is already appar­ent. The property is an obvious construction zone and the home unoccupied, but a new wrought iron fence along Park Avenue was decorated with garland and red ribbon for the holidays.

Not all of the house has sur­vived. A small room used for a li­brary and reading room had to be torn out and will become a screened-in porch.

There will also be new addi­tions to the house. Aspinwall is putting in two solar panels and insulation into the open walls to keep energy costs down, and the kitchen is being expanded.

Some features, like the origi­nal wooden floor, have been pre­served, and the general layout of the home will be the same.

The owner petitioned the city to allow for the home to be de­molished, but the Architectural Review Board unanimously de­nied the application at a meet­ing in November 2008. The City Council upheld the board's deci­sion.

City Councilwoman Martha Roby said the positive outcome would not have been possible if not for the leadership in the neighborhood and the willing­ness of an individual to come forward and invest in the house.

It's a refreshing conclusion considering cases involving di­lapidated homes, which are usually too far gone, do not usually have a happy ending.

"To have someone come in and invest money to bring it back to what it once was not only benefits the property own­ers who are in close proximity, but it restores beauty to a prop­erty in a historic district," Roby said.

This is also the house that at­tracted media attention when Birmingham accountant J. Wray Pearce paid double the ap­praised value in 1999 about five months after Siegelman became governor, according to news re­ports at the time. Pearce bought the home from Siegelman for $250,000.

Selling the property to Aspin­wall essentially amounts to a do­nation.

Aspinwall said he is unaf­fected by that part of the house's past -- he even wonders if the circumstances were not some­what misunderstood -- and he said he mostly hears interesting snippets about the house's prior tenants.

Some people talk about the parties held at the home. Others share tidbits about the Folmars or the Siegelmans. One neigh­bor told Aspinwall about a time when the Siegelmans' beloved family dog died and they were so distraught that they asked the neighbor to bury the dog. The neighbor even showed Aspin­wall the gravesite.

Collectively, these tidbits comprise what Aspinwall calls character. And when he's fin­ished with the work, Aspinwall said he would like to invite Emory Folmar and Don Siegel­man, if he's available, over to see the house.

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Hmm, looks like it's topping out at around 13 or 14 stories.

What floor of the RSA Tower did you take that pic from?
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John Aspinwall is not a "good guy." He is a crook. I know from experience.

Furthermore, he does incredibly lousy work, and leaves behind fire hazards.

If you want a shoddy job, done by Guatemalans, Apsinwall's your man.
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John Aspinwall is not a "good guy." He is a crook. I know from experience.

Furthermore, he does incredibly lousy work, and leaves behind fire hazards.

If you want a shoddy job, done by Guatemalans, Apsinwall's your man.
At least he's not Emory Folmar. Although the Siegelman's had moved out in '98, as rich as Folmar is he could have had his "momma and daddy's" house restored if he wasn't so spiteful. He had no regard or respect for the neighborhood he loved so much while he was in office enough to step up to the plate.
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John Aspinwall is not a "good guy." He is a crook. I know from experience.

Furthermore, he does incredibly lousy work, and leaves behind fire hazards.

If you want a shoddy job, done by Guatemalans, Apsinwall's your man.
Well, given how this is a development forum I am not going to get into a debate over a building contractor.

My final comment on this particular subject will be... I know a number of people he has done work for and they have not complained. You can obviously say what you want, but he enjoys a good reputation in the neighborhood.

Also, I am not 100% sure what employing Guatemalans has to do with work either?
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Hmm, looks like it's topping out at around 13 or 14 stories.

What floor of the RSA Tower did you take that pic from?
Lord knows, we have not seen a truly FINAL rendering of this building, but wan't it initially projected to be 12 stories? I believe that was the height batted around when the opposition meetings were taking place...
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Per the renderings.

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Lord knows, we have not seen a truly FINAL rendering of this building, but wan't it initially projected to be 12 stories? I believe that was the height batted around when the opposition meetings were taking place...
Yes, that was the word but they may have meant it for the Dexter Avenue side. It's obviously not the case from the Monroe Street side.
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Yes, that was the word but they may have meant it for the Dexter Avenue side. It's obviously not the case from the Monroe Street side.
True. But, it sure is exciting to see this tower rise in downtown Montgomery!
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Yes, that was the word but they may have meant it for the Dexter Avenue side. It's obviously not the case from the Monroe Street side.
Definately from the Dexter Avenue Side. That bottom floor on Monroe is just parking and looks like a loading dock entrance maybe. (I know they installed generators down there. The second floor on Monroe is also parking and the beginnings of the first level of the building.
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