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Old Posted Dec 13, 2009, 12:15 AM
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Well I've always been a bit partial to Foster's tower 2 and thought it should be the one reaching for a height of 1776. Thanks to meh_cd for posting a render I could manipulate with my limited skills (and no I had not seen it before) I can now see what it might look like. Not sure I like it taller but thought I would share; if I can figure out how to post the damn thing.



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Well I've always been a bit partial to Foster's tower 2 and thought it should be the one reaching for a height of 1776. Thanks to meh_cd for posting a render I could manipulate with my limited skills (and no I had not seen it before) I can now see what it might look like. Not sure I like it taller but thought I would share; if I can figure out how to post the damn thing.

http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/ee357/LVclvlndr/tallerT2.jpg

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Height is always fun, but I can't honestly say that that looks better. It ruins the upward spiral, and is scared really strangely to everything around it.

Regardless, nice skills, and hopefully it'll shut up those clueless fools who want New York to be Dubai. It just doesn't fit.
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Here's the render in question in case anyone hasn't seen the entire thing:



This render really sold me on Tower 3.
tower 2 is misplaced its all in a line so if they all get built we wont see it like this pic.
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tower 2 is misplaced its all in a line so if they all get built we wont see it like this pic.
actually tower 2 is in the right spot 3 and 4 are pushed back, so from this view we wouldn't see most of tower 2
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Don't forget the transportation hub and Fulton street, that separates towers 2 and 3,

Also tower 3 is right on church, and the podium sticks towards the memorial. For tower 2 the actual tower is on greenwich, and the podium goes back to Church street.

Basically I am saying the rendering is correct
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actually tower 2 is in the right spot 3 and 4 are pushed back, so from this view we wouldn't see most of tower 2
The poster above me is correct. Tower 3 is set back in real life and it is set back in the render. It's actually covered up by Tower 4 in the render if you look closely.
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The rendering is accurate. These may or may not help with the question...










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your right i did'nt realize tower 3 was set back a bit.. wow this pic is amazing,
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Does current plans with towers 2 and 4 include the lit bands of light as depicted in this rendering? If so, tower 3's crown should also be lit to compliment the already impressive specticle of light seen Downtown with the WFC and Goldman Sachs tower.
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How does this tower beam light down to the memorial on 9-11?
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How does this tower beam light down to the memorial on 9-11?
It doesn't. The angles of the diamond point to the memorials, but there is no illumination of the memorial.
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Does current plans with towers 2 and 4 include the lit bands of light as depicted in this rendering? If so, tower 3's crown should also be lit to compliment the already impressive specticle of light seen Downtown with the WFC and Goldman Sachs tower.
Tower 3 was confirmed to have lighting, It could be assumed Tower 2 would have it, 4 I have not heard of, but Silverstein has said all of the towes will match. That's a screen capture from one of the WTC animations.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a7Eya8KY_O6Q

World Trade Center Bonds Seeking Year-End Sale Lead Muni Market

By Jeremy R. Cooke
Dec. 21 (Bloomberg)


New York Liberty Development Corp., a state arm created to finance loans for rebuilding in lower Manhattan, seeks to meet a year-end deadline this week to sell tax-exempt bonds for three World Trade Center skyscrapers.

Investors will get to buy $2.58 billion of debt with an initial interest rate lasting 10 to 13 months and top short-term ratings. The proceeds will be held in escrow and invested in U.S. Treasuries. New rates will be set before the money can be loaned to Larry Silverstein, the trade-center leaseholder and developer who plans to construct Towers 2, 3 and 4 at the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The bonds’ initial rate will likely be less than a half- percentage point, comparable to short-term state and local government notes, said Steven Shachat of Alpine Woods Capital Investors LLC.

“They should have no trouble putting this deal away,” said Shachat, who oversees $2.3 billion as manager of the Alpine Ultra Short Tax Optimized Income Fund and the Alpine Municipal Money Market Fund in Purchase, New York. “The remainder of the year looks pretty anemic.”

Municipal issuers plan to sell less than $1 billion in debt this holiday-shortened week, excluding the trade center deal, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

While construction on Silverstein Properties Inc.’s three Greenwich Street office towers has faced delays, the federal program that authorized tax-exempt loans to help for-profit companies revitalizing lower Manhattan expires Dec. 31, necessitating the escrow structure.

Liberty Bonds

Underwriting the debt offering will be Goldman Sachs Group Inc., which also used tax-exempt Liberty Bonds to help fund the investment bank’s new headquarters at 200 West St., northwest of the World Trade Center site.

A Bloomberg yield index for top-rated, one-year municipal notes on Dec. 16 reached 29 basis points, or hundredths of a percentage point, the lowest since at least 1991.

The average seven-day yield on tax-free or municipal money- market funds held at a record low of 3 basis points during the week ended Dec. 15, according to data from iMoneyNet of Westborough, Massachusetts.

The Alpine money fund offered 22 basis points in the firm’s latest weekly survey, the second-highest yield of any in the retail category behind Marshall Tax-Free Money Market Fund.

“I’m getting tired of looking at rates this low,” Shachat said. When it comes to the Federal Reserve raising its target on short-term interest, “the sooner the better,” he said.

World Trade Center

The World Trade Center project bonds will be sold with a final maturity in 2049 and a so-called mandatory tender period from October 2010 through January 2011, allowing them to be bought back and reoffered with different interest. A smaller batch of bonds, totaling $12.5 million and dedicated to cover capitalized interest, will pay a variable weekly rate.

The Silverstein-developed towers, on the east side of the site, would have about 6.2 million square feet (576,000 square meters) of office space under designs by architects Norman Foster,Richard Rogers and Fumihiko Maki unveiled in 2006. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, owner of the overall site, is building 1 World Trade Center, formerly known as the Freedom Tower, for a late 2013 opening as the tallest building in the U.S.

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Liberty Bonds on Deadline
LDC Deals $2.59B For WTC Towers


Monday, December 21, 2009
By Ted Phillips


The New York Liberty Development Corp. plans to begin marketing $2.59 billion of escrow bonds tomorrow to meet a year-end deadline to sell Liberty bonds for redevelopment of the World Trade Center site.

The authorization for the Liberty Bonds expires on Dec. 31, and although it could be extended by Congress, the issuer and developer Silverstein Properties Inc. aren't taking any chances.

"We're doing it this way because we don't want to lose the tax exemption on this deal because it's critically important to the financing of this project," said Frances Walton, treasurer of the LDC. "We didn't want to risk it not being extended."

The developer plans to eventually use the bond proceeds to finance construction of three office towers at the World Trade Center site, but delays, ongoing arbitration, and the economic downturn have made it impossible for the proceeds to be used straight away.

In the interim, the issuer is marketing mandatory tender bonds that all can be called on Oct. 12, 2010, according to the preliminary official statement. This effectively turns the bonds into short-term debt. The tender would allow for the debt to be remarketed as variable or fixed bonds with proceeds used for construction or as new escrow bonds if necessary.

The debt will be the obligations of limited-liability corporations controlled by Silverstein.

The bonds will be marketed to institutional investors in two series. A retail order period is not planned. Goldman, Sachs & Co. is underwriting the bonds and Winston & Strawn LLP is bond counsel......

Congress created the Liberty bond program following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, to help revitalize lower Manhattan with an $8 billion allocation of private-activity bonds. Except for this offering and $701.6 million allocated to finance a tower on behalf of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, all the bonds have been issued.

The authority owns the World Trade Center site and plans to use its allocation — to be issued by the New York City Industrial Development Agency — to help finance its $3.1 billion tower, 1 World Trade Center, also known as the Freedom Tower.

The Port Authority has not announced plans to use the allocation before the end of the year and executive director Christopher Ward has said he is hopeful Congress will enact a one-year extension. The House passed an extension earlier this month but the Senate has not acted on the bill. Observers have suggested an extension could be passed retroactively early next year.

Silverstein holds leases to the sites where its three towers are to be built. In 2006, the Port Authority agreed to complete preparation work on the sites for the three towers and turn them over to the developer in 2007 and 2008 or pay $300,000 a day in penalties.

After delays, the authority finally turned the last of the sites over to the developer on Aug. 24, by which time it had incurred $140 million in penalties. Under the agreement, the agency can foreclose on the tower sites if they are not substantially completed in 2012, though there are provisions for extensions to the deadlines.

Citing the delays and the economic downturn, Silverstein said it needed additional public support to finance its towers. The Port Authority made concessions but the developer was not satisfied. Silverstein began arbitration proceedings allowed under the development agreement in August, claiming that the Port Authority was in material breach of the pact.

The developer is seeking a new schedule to complete the towers to reflect the authority's delay and alleged damages caused to the project as well as damages calculated on the amount of rent the developer will have paid to the authority during the time it was unable to develop the site through final completion and the initial rent up period, according to details of the arbitration disclosed in a recent Port Authority official statement. Annual rent for the three sites is approximately $78 million, according to a source familiar with the matter.

If a settlement is not reached, Silverstein plans to commence a second arbitration seeking at least $2.75 billion in damages,
claiming that the development agreement was a product of negligent and possibly fraudulent misrepresentation, according to the Port Authority OS. The authority disputes Silverstein's claims.

An individual familiar with the negotiations said the arbitration proceedings were complete and the parties are waiting for a decision.

In an interview, Gov. David Paterson said that while he expected the arbitrators to rule in favor of the bi-state agency, a ruling against the Port Authority wouldn't necessarily be the end of the negotiations. "We might appeal the decision," he said. "We cannot be financing profit right now when we can't finance to keep our state solvent."

Silverstein spokesman Bud Perrone and the Port Authority declined to comment on the arbitration. He said the bond proceeds could come out of escrow pending resolution with the authority on a range of issues, including the schedule of the completion of infrastructure.

In addition to 1 World Trade Center, the agency is investing $3.2 billion in a transportation hub to serve the site with an estimated completion date of mid-2014, as well as $914 million for other capital projects at the site.

When completed, Silverstein's three towers will add 4.4 million square feet of office space and more than 273,000 square feet of retail space to downtown, according to the preliminary official statement.

Whether downtown Manhattan can absorb the office space is another question. The recession has hurt commercial real estate. Manhattan's office vacancy rate in November was 11.3%, a 3.5 percentage point increase compared to 12 months earlier, according to a Cushman & Wakefield report. At the same time asking rents have decreased to $56 per square foot, a 21% drop from $70.87 per square foot a year ago, the report said.

Kathryn Wylde, president and chief executive officer of the Partnership for New York City, a business group, said the new office space would fill a need.

"Much of the downtown office stock is aging and is likely to be converted to residential use over the next 20 years so that new state-of-art office space will in fact be needed," Wylde said. The development at the site is "going to both be necessary and be a real improvement in the Lower Manhattan business district," she said.
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WTC ruling seen likely to spur new talks
Arbitration panel's findings over dispute between Port Authority and Larry Silverstein could help unclog negotiations over financing of three proposed towers at Ground Zero.


By Theresa Agovino
December 31, 2009


An arbitration panel ruling expected in the coming months about whether the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey met its commitments to Larry Silverstein at Ground Zero will likely trigger new negotiations between the warring parties.

Talks over how many of Mr. Silverstein's three proposed towers the Port Authority should help finance have been stalled since the summer, despite efforts by both the mayor and the governor to help reach a compromise. The agency offered to guarantee funding on one tower, but Mr. Silverstein insisted the agency backstop two of the buildings. One of his buildings is under construction as is the fourth tower on the site, which is being built by the Port Authority.

In August, Mr. Silverstein pushed the Port Authority into binding arbitration, alleging that it failed to meet a variety of its construction obligations, which he says hindered his ability to finance, market and complete his building. The Port Authority has denied his allegations. Neither side would comment for the story.

The three-judge panel finished hearing the case in early December, and the two sides hope it will rule in early 2010. There is no mandated deadline for a decision.

However, the arbitration panel will only decide whether the Port Authority met its requirements and not on how many of the towers the agency should finance. And even if the panel decides that the agency was at fault, it may not necessarily outline a remedy. It could determine whether further arbitration is needed to decide how the Port Authority should rectify the problem.

Mr. Silverstein has never said how much he was seeking in damages, but in the past the developer has made a point of saying that he has paid nearly $3 billion in rent to the Port Authority. If the agency must pay Mr. Silverstein some of that in damages, the money would help finance his buildings.

Experts say that even though the arbitration panel won't settle the dispute between the two sides, it will provide a spark to get them back to the negotiating table. Time is critical to Mr. Silverstein because his agreement with the Port Authority says he must finish his three towers by 2014 or forfeit them to the agency. However, sources have said that the Port Authority would be willing to waive that because the credit crunch has made it impossible to finance large office towers.
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This dispute will certainly not end sooner than we would have liked, but to the contrary, any agreement will give the rest of a site a much needed boost.
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From the sounds of everything it’s seemingly going in the right direction. It may take some time to work everything out once and for all, but in the end I stand confident that the right decisions and judgment calls will be made.
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Rats! I was actually expecting some progress to be made!


How can the Courts do this? What if this whole ordeal drags out until silvertsein isn't alive? What's stopping that from happening. Some way or another, these towers have to get built!
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From the sounds of everything it’s seemingly going in the right direction. It may take some time to work everything out once and for all, but in the end I stand confident that the right decisions and judgment calls will be made.
I take the fact that Silverstein is moving forward again with 4 WTC (he had threatened to stop until a deal was reached) as a good sign.
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Meanwhile, Silverstein can't catch a break from the City...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/g...twin-towers/story-e6frf7lf-1225815788832
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Ghoulish bid to slap tax on Twin Towers

By David Seifman
January 03, 2010

ONE of the weirdest developments in the aftermath of the World Trade Center attack is being played out in an astounding tax court battle.

More than eight years after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, New York City authorities are demanding that developer Larry Silverstein fork over almost $35m in commercial rent taxes on the Twin Towers and two other buildings that no longer exist.

The city's reasoning is that Silverstein continued to pay rent to the Port Authority after the towers fell.

That, city officials claim, subjects his transactions to the 3.9 percent commercial rent tax
through 2005, when the state legislature ended the tax for all properties below Canal Street.

On May 27, 2007, the city's finance department sent Silverstein a bill for $34,866,549 - including penalties and interest - on his four trade center buildings.

City officials asserted that "the airspace that had been surrounded by the buildings still existed" and, since Silverstein had the right to rebuild, he had to pay up.


Silverstein pointed out that the government seized control of the entire site in 2001, so he could hardly rebuild.

Judge Marlene Schwartz agreed in a Dec. 9 decision, and chided the city for its "error."

"We are disappointed with the ruling and are considering all legal options," said Rita Dumain, chief of the city's tax and bankruptcy litigation division.
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This city will go to extreme lenghts to generate revenue, such a shame, but glad they lost this battle.
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