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Old Posted Dec 16, 2009, 8:57 AM
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I wasn't trying to say anything about where the pool should go, I was simply showing that if it was on the north side of the tower, it wouldn't be in shadow all the time.

Personally I think elevating it on the west side is a good thing.
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2009, 2:18 PM
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The pool will be very small and more of a check mark more than an attraction. This will be a business and convention hotel and I don't see a lot of visitors sun tanning.
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Old Posted Dec 16, 2009, 5:32 PM
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This story is relevant because it discusses the tax break for the Westin Hotel going in OCPE (last paragraph).

Phoenix mulls tax break for hotel downtown
Downtown Phoenix's Wyndham hotel could get a lucrative tax deal that's usually reserved for new business ventures, under a plan the City Council will consider today.

by Jahna Berry

Downtown Phoenix's Wyndham hotel could get a lucrative tax deal that's usually reserved for new business ventures, under a plan the City Council will consider today.

The lease-back agreement would give the hotel at 50 E. Adams St. a 20-year tax discount, a benefit that's estimated to be worth $400,000 annually. The Wyndham's owners now pay $700,000 annually in property taxes, said Jason Harris, deputy director of Phoenix's economic-development department.

The 520-room hotel would use the tax savings to begin $10 million in upgrades six months after the agreement is final. The upgrades "finish off" a $40 million renovation that began about four years ago, the majority owner said. Also, the Wyndham will be rebranded as Renaissance Hotel by Marriott.
The tax-deal idea comes as the city faces a shortfall of at least $105 million in its $1.1 billion general fund, which helps pay for day-to-day city services. A final figure, which is expected to be much higher, would likely be announced in February. Tax revenue is lower than anticipated because of the recession.

The Wyndham deal drew fire from central Phoenix state Sen. Ken Cheuvront, a Democrat.

If the deal is approved, it will cause a ripple effect that will raise residents' tax bills "immediately," he said. A new Arizona law removed a financial buffer that once insulated taxpayers when cities take properties off the tax rolls, Cheuvront said.

"Who says that this hotel isn't viable" without the tax break, said Cheuvront, who has unsuccessfully tried to pass a law to curb such deals.

Harris said he was unaware of that law and said the city plans to research the tax-bill issue.

City leaders generally downplayed the Wyndham deal, but could not recall another time that a similar agreement was extended to an existing business that hadn't switched owners.

Historically, City Hall has nurtured major hotels because tourism helps sustain almost every other kind of business in the heart of the city, said Deputy City Manager David Krietor.

Phoenix used revenue bonds to build the 1,000-room, $350 million Sheraton hotel, which opened in 2008, and the city bought the Hyatt's parking structure at Second and Adams streets, Krietor added.

The Adams Street hotel was built in 1975 and has been under the Wyndham flag since 2003. Steven Cohn has been majority owner since 2007.

Krietor said the Wyndham deal would attract more groups to the city's convention center, where last year, construction crews completed a $600 million expansion that tripled its size.

As a new Marriott affiliate, the hotel can leverage Marriott's group-booking prowess.

So while the city would forgo some tax revenue, it's poised to get more in the long run, advocates say. The Wyndham project is expected to generate $96 million in tax revenue over the life of the agreement, and up to 40 percent of that amount is new money resulting from planned changes at the hotel, Harris said.

"We are talking about generating more tax revenue, not less," Cohn said.

In other council action, Phoenix leaders plan to offer a similar deal to a Westin hotel proposed for the recently completed One Central Park East tower near Central Avenue and Van Buren Street. The office building, which plans to change its name to Freeport-McMoRan Center, had a 25-year tax reduction worth about $23 million. Because it added a hotel, city leaders want to extend that agreement to 50 years, adding a $15 million tax benefit for the developer, Harris said.
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^My guess is that this is some sort of backroom deal the city get stuck with because of the new Westin. Steve Cohn probably threatened to sue (again - see Collier Center) and so the city cut him a deal. That @sshat needs to be run out of town.
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I hope this Westin deal doesn't affect the proposed Hotel Palomar for Cityscape. It seems to me that Kimpton will want a tax abatement as well (not sure if they've been promised one, though). Hoping it won't prove troublesome.
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Question ... the above article said the expansion should take the downtown vacancy rate from 24% to 18%? Can somebody explain these numbers further?

Where are those numbers coming from? I know there's been a lot of downtown relo's with CityScape, but it wasn't two years ago that we had been basically full. Which companies left?
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Old Posted Dec 19, 2009, 4:19 PM
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The vacancy rate shot up because of Cityscape and OCPE, they added 1,010,000 sq ft of Class A office space to downtown.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2009, 7:50 AM
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I gathered that so much, but it was it entirely because of those two towers? Outside of Ryan (who built phelps dodge and is building their own new headquarters) I can't think of any other downtown relos.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2009, 8:38 AM
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I gathered that so much, but it was it entirely because of those two towers? Outside of Ryan (who built phelps dodge and is building their own new headquarters) I can't think of any other downtown relos.
Luhrs is also using both of its towers as commercial space so that is another building pushing up vacancy rates.

And last time I checked (about a month and a half ago), both buildings are still completely empty.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2009, 3:31 PM
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No significant downtown relocations, but several tenants have downsized and with no new tenants locating to the CBD this has caused the vacacy rate to more than double. Bank of America, Jennings Strouss, Bryan Cave, Quarrels Brady and Lewis & Roca have all downsized.
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2009, 6:47 PM
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Freeport McMoron Center? 🞵🞵🞵?

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Old Posted Dec 21, 2009, 7:01 PM
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Freeport McMoron Center? 🞵🞵🞵?

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I believe it is McMoran, but rather unfortunately named nonetheless. On that note, when did this become the official name of the building - or did someone here just get excited and change the name of the thread because of the tenant signing?
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Old Posted Dec 21, 2009, 8:43 PM
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It was in the news articles that the name of the building is being changed to Freeport McMoran Center.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2009, 1:04 PM
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Yeah, I renamed the thread. Their logo should look cool on the top of the building--something about it looks inherently nefarious, making it the perfect fit for such a squat structure.

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Old Posted Dec 23, 2009, 7:47 AM
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walked by today. little guy sitting behind the desk and a big giant Freeport McMoran sign behind him. Sort of looks like the lobby in Terminator 2...
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2009, 7:56 AM
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Sean. Thats really their logo? It looks like a teenager created it in ms paint during computer lab.
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Yeah.



And the worst part is they probably paid someone a ridiculous amount of money to create it.
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2009, 4:41 PM
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I kind of like the logo. Logo design is hard, especially trying to integrate a "hidden" symbol into letters which also represents the company.

Like FedEx:



See the arrow between the "E" and the "x"?

Although I'm not sure what the little blocks/steps in the Freeport-McMoran logo represent. Maybe stacked bars of gold?
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Symbols and logos are interesting. Its a weird concept that hidden messages are conveying in open sight.
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