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Dr. Taco · #**1701** Posted **Nov 17, 2009, 7:31 PM**

^ it's surprising how much better your photoshop looks. but you're probably right. I'm sure they weren't constructing the building and thinking "ya know, why don't we just make the top ugly as sin for no reason". even still, they should have had better renders. Do they design the renders before they get vendor documents in for the damper? maybe. they probably shouldn't lead us on like that, though

new.slang · #**1702** Posted **Nov 17, 2009, 9:07 PM**

the roof needs a dormer or something...

ardecila · #**1703** Posted **Nov 18, 2009, 6:12 AM**

Who's to say the roof spikes have been eliminated? Obviously, the balconies at the top aren't finished yet, and those big doorframes aren't gonna stay teal-colored. There's a lot of finishing work left to do. Hell, they didn't finish the decorative stuff on One Museum Park for MONTHS after people started moving in.

tommaso · #**1704** Posted **Nov 18, 2009, 7:22 AM**

Have any of you here seen 15 Central Park West in person? How does that building compare to The Elysian in your personal opinion?

Here are some photos of 15 Central Park West

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=15+central+park+west+photos&cts=1258528062244&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

wrab · #**1705** Posted **Nov 18, 2009, 1:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by denizen467

.....Elysian's crown was VE'd to oblivion, but as much as this is an architecture forum, people need to remember to spread blame to the developer, David Pisor, as well. I don't know whether LaGrange remains 20% or 50% or 80% blameworthy for this, but we should always remember that most developers have worse taste than trained architects. And their horizon of emotional/professional investment in a project is only a couple of years -- while architects are stuck with their reputations forever (their only out is to "plant vines" - f.l.w.).

Amen to that.

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Originally Posted by tommaso

Have any of you here seen 15 Central Park West in person? How does that building compare to The Elysian in your personal opinion?

Here are some photos of 15 Central Park West

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=15+central+park+west+photos&cts=1258528062244&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

The Stern building, with those NYC-style setbacks, is more like Adrian Smith's pomo work for SOM here in Chicago (eg, ATT & NBC) - a modern tower that evokes history through massing rather than through overt historicism.

Whereas The Elysisan is overtly historicist.

trvlr70 · #**1706** Posted **Nov 18, 2009, 2:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by tommaso

Have any of you here seen 15 Central Park West in person? How does that building compare to The Elysian in your personal opinion?

Here are some photos of 15 Central Park West

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=15+central+park+west+photos&cts=1258528062244&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

They don't compare. 15 Central Park West is superlative in all aspects. For me personally, it is the gorgeous limestone cladding that really sets it apart. To make that investment is so rare these days. The setting is also much, much more grand.

new.slang · #**1707** Posted **Nov 19, 2009, 1:40 PM**

i dont actually mind that building...not a favourite or anything but its decent and is more contemporary than the elysian

Mojava · #**1708** Posted **Nov 19, 2009, 10:33 PM**

The total sell out for 15 CPW was 2 billion. It blows away the Elysian in every category. No comparison it the two.

erbsenzaehler · #**1709** Posted **Dec 4, 2009, 10:55 AM**

Anyone who took some fresh update photos lately?

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Originally Posted by tulip city madman

It seems that if some of the original detailing that was shown on the original sketch were applied such as roof spikes that the banal nature of the top would be slightly mitigated. Also the roof seems to have been stretched from the original image giving it odd proportions. This may have been done to accommodate the liquid mass damper.

[original image posted by jc5680]

Great comparison! I noticed the same. The roof is the main problem.
Really disappointing. We can only hope they're willing to do something about that.

jet cm · #**1710** Posted **Dec 4, 2009, 12:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by erbsenzaehler

Anyone who took some fresh update photos lately?

Great comparison! I noticed the same. The roof is the main problem.
Really disappointing. We can only hope they're willing to do something about that.

The window washing rig would have probably cost a few $000 more to get above the pylons.

firstcranialnerve · #**1711** Posted **Dec 5, 2009, 1:24 AM**

All I can think of when i see the roof is a fez.

Dac150 · #**1712** Posted **Dec 5, 2009, 2:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by tommaso

Have any of you here seen 15 Central Park West in person? How does that building compare to The Elysian in your personal opinion?

Here are some photos of 15 Central Park West

In terms of comparing the two it’s like comparing a Rolls Royce (15 CPW), to a Buick.

I’ve seen 15 CPW in person on a number of occasions; it’s truly a work of art and class, really impeccable. The design is one that naturally fits into its location. It succeeds in trying to capture the older Central Park West character, and does so with style.

The Elysian is trying to be something it’s not; pretty self identifiable and explanatory.

photoLith · #**1713** Posted **Dec 5, 2009, 10:03 PM**

The architect of this building obviously missed a very important lecture during college on aesthetics.

Tom Servo · #**1714** Posted **Dec 7, 2009, 2:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by photolitherland

The architect of this building obviously missed a very important lecture during college on aesthetics.

huh...

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Originally Posted by photolitherland

Hey, I think this tower is awesome. I love all the little faux details.

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Originally Posted by photolitherland

Wow, that side of town sure is full of some craptastic building unfortunately. I still think the Elysian looks good though.

...i must have misunderstood your previous posts about this building.

didn't pick up the sarcasm i guess...

wrab · #**1715** Posted **Dec 7, 2009, 3:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by firstcranialnerve

All I can think of when i see the roof is a fez.

This photoshop kinda scares me.

10023 · #**1716** Posted **Dec 7, 2009, 3:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by tommaso

Have any of you here seen 15 Central Park West in person? How does that building compare to The Elysian in your personal opinion?

Here are some photos of 15 Central Park West

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=15+central+park+west+photos&cts=1258528062244&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Elysian and 15 CPW have absolutely nothing in common.

ardecila · #**1717** Posted **Dec 7, 2009, 6:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by 10023

Elysian and 15 CPW have absolutely nothing in common.

Really? In my mind, they're products of the exact same philosophy working under two vastly different budgets. Stern was able to afford limestone in NY, but had to skimp on the carved details, producing an attractively simple, severe stripped-Classical building. LaGrange had to use precast, but he had enough budget left over to do all sorts of reveals and decorative flourishes that look abominable.

Stern also had a historic context to borrow from, so he could have been an absolutely mediocre architect and his building would still fit in if he just borrowed elements from the building's CPW neighbors.

Elysian is a Haussmanian skyscraper set amongst 1980s and 90s beige condo boxes. There's no historic context, at least none that even comes close to 686 feet. So it will stand out necessarily, and its flaws are thus highlighted.

photoLith · #**1718** Posted **Dec 7, 2009, 9:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by AdrianXSands

huh...

...i must have misunderstood your previous posts about this building.

didn't pick up the sarcasm i guess...

Well, I thought I liked this building at first and then overtime, I just hate it more and more.

Busy Bee · #**1719** Posted **Dec 7, 2009, 10:02 PM**

Two classless peas in a pod:

pusha

Kippis · #**1720** Posted **Dec 8, 2009, 2:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by photolitherland

Well, I thought I liked this building at first and then overtime, I just hate it more and more.

That's perfectly understandable, although usually people start off hating something, and over time just learn to get used to it.

While I really don't like the overall design of the tower, I believe (and sincerely hope) that once main construction is complete, those finishing touches that were mentioned in the renderings will make it easier on the eyes, if they decide to add them, that is.

Although, why most of the forumers' ire is concentrated on this building in particular and not 10 East Delaware - which is an absolute turd by any stretch of the definition - is beyond me...it must be because it's taller and more noticable