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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 6:53 AM
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For all the glib remarks, you'd think Mississauga was hell. No doubt it can be much better, but in the overall comparison of North American suburban environments it's one of the better ones. I'd still take Mississauga over San Bernardino, Aurora or Arlington any day.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 6:54 AM
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i'm beggin ya. fer the love of god, post those fanfarkingtastic K-W "skyline" shots from WatInv...the ones with the power pylons overlooking the shoppers drug mart and the fucking awesome bauer lofts.
Power pylons?

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^not everyone wants to walk (with pug in purse) into a starbucks or sushi/wine fusion restobar to order a $12 organic shrimp espresso. in fact, it's a breath of fresh air (literally) to get away from that phoney world -sometimes. (we don't all wear or care for prada, fendi, burberry...)
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 7:22 AM
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For all the glib remarks, you'd think Mississauga was hell. No doubt it can be much better, but in the overall comparison of North American suburban environments it's one of the better ones. I'd still take Mississauga over San Bernardino, Aurora or Arlington any day.
Oh for sure. Mississauga is far better than many suburban municipalities. It's more the attitude that Mississauga City Centre is some sort of great urban environment because it has a skyline. Quite simply it's not. It's really not even the most urban part of the municipality.

If you move to suburban Mississauga because you want that lifestyle, great, I may have no interest in it but I get it. But if you move to a highrise in MCC expecting an urban environment you are out of luck. It's just not there. If I was older and could afford it I would happily live in Port Credit or Streetsville, they have far more to offer than MCC in my opinion.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 8:04 AM
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I think Mississauga has a damn nice skyline! There's probably some jealous forumers that don't like it because it's nicer than their "downtown" skyline!!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 2:32 PM
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I don't think people are jealous of Mississauga's skyline. It's more an attempt to dispel this notion that MCC can be "fixed." No amount of urban planning can magically transform it into something it's not. I don't know why anyone wants to change it anyways, because it seems the people who live in Mississauga like it.

I don't think the skyline's that great anyway. MCC is the centre of Peel Region which has 1,220,000 people, putting it up there with Ottawa, Calgary and Edmonton in population, but all three have better buildings and skylines than Mississauga.
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 3:03 PM
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wait... what? how did we go from a discussion about traditional urban form (street widths, lot sizes etc.) to this weird, conservative-talk-radio "latte-sipping elitists" thing?
cuz you see kool, the 'street widths, lot sizes, etc. (skyline...)' speak of the community, the people and activities (&their needs, attitudes, etc.) the buildings & infrastructure were built for -yes, "human interaction". there is that subtle connection a 'drunken uncley guy' may have forgotten to mention. it's not merely the triumph of shapes or silhouette on the horizon. and people weren't forced at gun point to flock to mississauaga -they continue to choose to live and/or work there unlike some other stylish 'have been' cities we know -and apologize for -like... buffalo!
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ice cream - good, fire - bad" dialectic.


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And since when was Starbucks fancy, 1995?
for me, never.

for the record, i have always lived (and prefer to live) in the city.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 6:12 PM
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I once went there in an attempt to photograph the place on foot as I normally do
That just about says it all right there both literally and figuratively.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2009, 7:40 PM
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No amount of urban planning can magically transform it into something it's not.
Urban planning will certainly make the newer areas more livable to a pseudo urban lifestyle. I think the key difference is some are looking at MCC as what has been built while others are seeing what is being built and what will be built. The individual block plans for Daniel's City Centre are similar in scale to Cityplace in Toronto or the assembled blocks in the Beltline.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2009, 12:12 AM
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cuz you see kool, the 'street widths, lot sizes, etc. (skyline...)' speak of the community, the people and activities (&their needs, attitudes, etc.) the buildings & infrastructure were built for -yes, "human interaction". there is that subtle connection a 'drunken uncley guy' may have forgotten to mention. it's not merely the triumph of shapes or silhouette on the horizon. and people weren't forced at gun point to flock to mississauaga -they continue to choose to live and/or work there unlike some other stylish 'have been' cities we know -and apologize for -like... buffalo!
but ok, we can resume our
"big, pointy skyline - good, suburban skyline - bad.
ice cream - good, fire - bad" dialectic.
now, see, you might be surprised to hear this, but i tend to follow your posts and pay attention to what you say. why? because i have this suspicion that it takes a certain amount of intellectual bravery for your average "classical liberal" to step out and go against the grain of the watery, ambient centre-leftism that canadians tend to feel is the only political option available to thinking people.

that said, i think the above derives from an unfortunate strain that has developed in modern conservatism. to me it was always kind of a lefty thing to go against traditional practices (and traditional urbanism is just that) and speak instead of the masses and their hazy, barely-defined desires, and of how they should be granted what they wish against all available evidence.

conservatives of the old sort were always the cool-eyed, studied sort who sat back ("athwart history" etc.) and said no, in fact you can't really have that... and here's why. conservatism is inherently elitist, as limited governent etc. is an environment in which the talented rise above the rest.

this new thing, this bizarre elevation of the average man and his preferences is demagogic, is rabble-rousing. there are specific reasons why traditional urbanism is superior to the mid-century radicalism that is suburban planning, and it had nothing to do with effete espresso snobs being better than jocular timbit dads. like affirmative action and indefinite welfare expansion, suburban urbanism is a drastic overreaction against a perceived problem (1930s slum overcrowding and poverty), and the result is the same cultural alienation, bitterness and angst that all such overswings produce.

traditional urbanism is not a yuppie fetish but an ancient cultural practice that should be defended against radical change. conservatives should applaud it and champion it.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2009, 12:46 AM
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2009, 6:34 AM
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this new thing, this bizarre elevation of the average man and his preferences is demagogic, is rabble-rousing. there are specific reasons why traditional urbanism is superior to the mid-century radicalism that is suburban planning, and it had nothing to do with effete espresso snobs being better than jocular timbit dads. like affirmative action and indefinite welfare expansion, suburban urbanism is a drastic overreaction against a perceived problem (1930s slum overcrowding and poverty), and the result is the same cultural alienation, bitterness and angst that all such overswings produce.

traditional urbanism is not a yuppie fetish but an ancient cultural practice that should be defended against radical change. conservatives should applaud it and champion it.
Interesting perspective. For myself, I prefer traditional urbanism, but not merely because of cafe culture or wine/sushi bars. I prefer the amenity, the architecture/sense of place, and abundance of regional amenities that one typically finds in a downtown core and its adjacent neighborhoods. However, I do not snub my nose at suburbanites for their own personal preferences. They can have their suburbs...it's just not my preference, as someone who's lived in both types of urban environments (admittedly, a lot more time spent in the burbs).

No, not every traditional urban area is a yuppie haven. You would be hard pressed to say so in north/east Hamilton, DT Kitchener, Parkdale (T.O.), the Junction (T.O.), or even some parts of Montreal I'm sure. There are still lots of "real people" in such places.

But I think where Sammo might have a point if he is saying that traditional urban areas are being high-jacked by a fairly large Friends/Frasier/sex-and-the-city lifestyle trend via gentrification, making inner-city neighborhoods increasingly monotonous. Most city administrations and condo/loft developers are trying to market their inner cities this way. It is debatable whether or not this is the best strategy. I know I'm not alone in saying that I prefer urban areas with a variety of districts. Yuppifying everything would certainly take away from that, although I do believe yuppies have their own place, as does working-class grit and middle-of-the-road neighborhoods. If it really bothers you a whole lot, don't live in San Fran/Portland/Vancouver/Toronto.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2009, 6:13 AM
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2009, 7:49 AM
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But I think where Sammo might have a point if he is saying that traditional urban areas are being high-jacked by a fairly large Friends/Frasier/sex-and-the-city lifestyle trend via gentrification, making inner-city neighborhoods increasingly monotonous.
Oh yeah, and this is not a good process. I question the pro-gentrification mantra the forumers on this site tend to dictate.

But it's really not all like that, as I tried to point out in previous posts as did you in areas you cited.

BTW, it's not city administrators trying to push that lifestyle (well, in toronto proper at least) but developers. Despite what the media may portray. I've worked on the inside and they are as irate as anything about the development pressure.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2009, 11:28 PM
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Downtown - my house is directly in the middle (white)



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Old Posted Nov 24, 2009, 1:13 AM
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^great edmonton pics Cold! they look like postcards. (what's the approx. sq.footage on 'oiler estate'?)

here's toronto from the west. shows several towers u/c. towercranes: cityplace's parade on the center/right, ritz in the middle, and bell litebox on the left. that's fort york garrison in the fore.
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2009, 3:20 AM
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^great edmonton pics Cold! they look like postcards. (what's the approx. sq.footage on 'oiler estate'?)
It's about 32,000 sqFt and was $25.3M to build. Of course, these aren't "official" numbers, but it's an approximation.

http://wikimapia.org/39162/Largest-home-in-Edmonton

Edit: I'd take Cold's word for it.
     
     
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An interesting thread would be, Largest Home in your City.
     
     
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Vancouver is impressive when it comes to density and urban fabric. It's got that big city feel we only find in the big 3. Calgary sure has the skyline of a metropolis, but it lacks the density outside the core; The downtown appears to be surrounded by the suburbs without the gradual transition you would find in a major city. (only normal for a city of 1.2 M I suppose)
     
     
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