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Interesting that no architect has been selected yet. You'd think they'd be a little further along.
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Extell gets landmark break on W. 57th


By Theresa Agovino
November 10, 2009

Mr. Barnett had said he could work the Broadway building into the development even though it would present costly challenges. Extell plans to construct a tower of up to 1.5 million square feet that would include retail and office space, a hotel, condos and maybe even trading floors. Ms. Haas said it was too soon to say when the company would break ground because three or four buildings still needed to be demolished and an architect hasn't been selected.

Extell is already developing a hotel a block over on West 57th Street.
I had thought that maybe Portzamparc would be doing both buildings, but apparently not. It's good to see 57th and even 54th (the Tower Verre) bringing action to northern Midtown.


A little more on the 225 W. 57th site...
http://www.observer.com/2009/real-es...s-down-57th-st

After Push by Extell, Landmarks Backs Down Over West 57th Street Building

By Eliot Brown
November 10, 2009

The city's Landmarks Preservation Commission backed off its effort to landmark a B.F. Goodrich Company building on West 57th Street, a rare retreat by the commission and one that follows aggressive pushback from development giant Extell, which plans a mixed-use skyscraper on the property.

The LPC on Tuesday voted 6-3 to remove the building, 225 West 57th Street, from consideration as a landmark, just four months after the same board voted to consider it.

Typically, the LPC agrees to consider only those properties it expects to approve as landmarks, but, as became clear in recent months, this property was different. An eight-story office building that was built in conjunction with another B.F. Goodrich building at 1780 Broadway (that one was approved Tuesday as a landmark), Extell was vigorously opposed to its designation, as the firm said it would ruin its prime development site on the block. (Claiming no knowledge of the landmarks issue, Extell assembled at considerable cost: the mortgage on the site alone is for $265 million.)

The firm, which has worked with Landmarks in the past, enlisted unions and industry groups to help it fight the action, and it successfully urged four key Council members, including Council Speaker Christine Quinn, to send a letter tacitly urging the LPC to act the way it did Tuesday.

In his remarks on the vote at the commission's meeting, LPC chairman Robert Tierney suggested the Council resistance was a major factor.

"I do not believe this building rises to the level of New York City individual landmark, particularly when compared to the exceptional buildings that already have been designated on Automobile Row," he said. "In light of opposition to this designation from the City Council, and certain members of the City Council,
the likelihood that that body will overturn any designation of 225 West 57th, I believe that in this case ... the Commission should make its priority the designation of the building for which there is a consensus of support."

THE SAGA SURROUNDING THIS site is a bit of a curious one. It's rare for the LPC to begin the landmarking process on a building--an act known as calendaring--over the owner's objections. But here, seemingly emboldened, the LPC started to landmark the building of one of the city's largest, and rather well connected, developers, against its will.

The bold action came not over a particularly notable or high-profile building. The building at 225 West 57th Street is arguably unremarkable at first glance--certainly no stunning sight or great architectural feat. Nor was it ever a priority for preservation groups until Extell began to fight back against the designation, though some had been recommending its designation in recent years. (The New York Times wrote an article on the buildings in late December, a bit before the LPC informed Extell it was considering landmarking the buildings. The paper has run a number of disparaging articles and editorials criticizing the LPC for what it labels an arbitrary and often developer-friendly approach).

But once the LPC preliminarily acknowledged that the 57th Street building, along with the Broadway building, were worthy of landmark designation, preservation groups contend, it would be improper for the agency to back down in the face of political pressure.

Needless to say, the preservationists were not pleased by the LPC's action on Tuesday.

"I am appalled," Simeon Bankoff, executive director of the Historic Districts Council, said after the vote. "I don't think that the Landmarks Commission should be considering such political features in the landmarking. This opens the door to being an owner-consent situation. The law as it stands has nothing to do with owner consent."

Extell, however, seemed relieved, and Raizy Haas, a senior vice president at the company, started to talk about the next steps. "We're talking to a couple of architects," she said. "We were very focused on this phase of the project, so now we're going to start planning the real building. Obviously, the design will be slightly modified due to the preservation of 1780."

And what of the LPC action?

"I think this is a good compromise that serves the purpose," she said.

The compromise, of course, spares the City Council members on the issue, leaving the LPC to take all the heat from the preservationists. The Council has the right to overturn a landmarking decision by the LPC, though such an action is very rare and would subject the members there--who, unlike the LPC members, are elected--to criticism of their own.

-With reporting by Matt Frassica
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I wish more art-deco style building will be built not just all modern glass building, which I love alot, but I think there should be more balance and to not lose that historic New York.
     
     
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I wish more art-deco style building will be built not just all modern glass building, which I love alot, but I think there should be more balance and to not lose that historic New York.
Unfortunately modern buildings are more cost effective and better for the environment. They can however incorporate art deco elements into modern buildings.
     
     
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Divided Landmarks Panel Splits Decision on Midtown Buildings


The B. F. Goodrich Company building at 1780 Broadway, left, was declared a landmark.
A nearby building, at 225 West 57th Street, right, was not.


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The Extell Development Company had acquired both buildings, the 12-story Goodrich Building at 1780 Broadway, and the adjacent eight-story structure at 225 West 57th Street, as part of a broader plan to redevelop a parcel opposite Carnegie Hall, east of Broadway between 57th and 58th Streets, into a hotel and office building that Gary Barnett, the company’s president, called “a new building of world-class design — a landmark for the 21st century.”

One block to the east of the parcel, Extell — which unlike other developers is pushing ahead on projects despite the economic slowdown — is pouring the foundation for what is intended to be a hotel of at least 50 stories.
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Unfortunately modern buildings are more cost effective and better for the environment. They can however incorporate art deco elements into modern buildings.
That's not exactly true. Older buildings are less efficient than newer ones, but it has very little to do with the design and a lot to do with materials. For example single pane glass like you find in older buildings leaks tons of heat all year round while the multi pane glass we use today is virtually airtight. However, the use of stone or brick as a cladding material is more energy efficient and environmentally friendly as is the use of smaller windows.

Just about any older building will be better for the environment if you just go through and renovate it with new windows, new wiring, and better insulation. Think about it, there is no way an all glass building is going to ever be able to touch a brick or stone building with much smaller windows.
     
     
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Just about any older building will be better for the environment if you just go through and renovate it with new windows, new wiring, and better insulation. Think about it, there is no way an all glass building is going to ever be able to touch a brick or stone building with much smaller windows.
Not to stay off topic, but other than renovation, there's the huge question of usage. Many of the older commercial buildings are not suitable for New York's commercial market, which is why most conversions are of a residential nature.

However, at the other end we have the current Empire State renovation.



Back on topic, Extell plans to restore the facade of the landmarked tower...
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...GveKQ2DXoqPe2K

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So the deal is that one building will be preserved, and the other will be demolished and the planned tower will be built to full on height on that site?

So the ruling essentially has no effect on the tower's development?
     
     
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So the deal is that one building will be preserved, and the other will be demolished and the planned tower will be built to full on height on that site?

So the ruling essentially has no effect on the tower's development?
According to Extell, it altered that tower's development, but it can still be bult now. They have yet to get an architect for the development and are moving forward with that now. It'll be a while before we get more specifics (other than it's about 1.5 msf with residential/hotel/office space). Meanwhile, a block away they are apparently working on the foundation of the Portzamparc designed tower that will rise anywhere from 953 to 1083 ft.
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Scrapped!
New York landmarks commission saves one Auto Row building, junks another



The corner of Broadway and West 57th Street, where the Shaw buildings flank the masonry building at center.
They are part of a future project by Extell Development.


Matt Chaban
11.11.2009

Typically, preservationists would have been thrilled by the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission’s last-minute designation of 1780 Broadway, a 12-story, early modern building designed by Howard Van Doren Shaw and built in 1909 for tire maker B.F. Goodrich. It is one of just two buildings designed by the prolific Chicago School architect in New York, and it became a city landmark yesterday despite the reservations of Extell Development, which owns the property and intends to make it part of a $1.5 billion mixed-use project.

But the commission, by a vote of 6-3, also decided to cast aside Shaw’s other New York building, the adjoining 225 West 57th Street. Commission chair Robert Tierney said that among his reasons was the opposition of Extell and the city council, which wrote a strongly worded letter in August that effectively threatened to overturn the commission’s designation if it went ahead with it. The result has left preservationists apoplectic.

“I’m appalled,” said Simeon Bankoff, executive director of the Historic Districts Council. “I think this inserts a level of politics into a merit-based decision. It’s the job of the landmarks commission to appropriately weigh the merits of these buildings. If the city council wants to kill it, fine, but don’t do their dirty work.”

Christabel Gough, secretary for the Society for the Architecture of the City, was more forgiving of the commission, given the pressure placed on it. “It’s very unfortunate the council substitute its judgment while accommodating a major developer,” she said.

In debating which buildings to preserve, a majority of commissioners argued that 1870 Broadway was a sufficient memorial to B.F. Goodrich’s place along Automobile Row, a succession of midrise office and service buildings that predominated around the turn of the century along Broadway north of 42nd Street.

Preservationists in the audience snickered and groaned at the suggestion that no automotive buildings were built on side streets—there is even one such landmark across the street on 57th Street—but the commission seemed to buy the argument made in August by Extell’s preservation consultant, Higgins & Quasebarth, that because the eight-story building at 225 West 57th was built on spec and never occupied by the carmaker, it was unworthy of preservation.

“In my judgment, 225 West 57th Street did not play as prominent a role in Automobile Row,” Tierney said. “Therefore, it is less deserving of designation, especially in light of the other buildings already landmarked.”

But some commissioners argued that despite this history, 225 West 57th was actually the more significant of the two buildings, being one of the first in the city in which a truly modernist vocabulary began to emerge. “As a work of architecture, it is an extremely strong, extremely rare, and extremely precious example of early modernism,” commissioner Stephen Byrns said. “While it doesn’t share the history with Automobile Row, the details are of a kind rarely seen in New York.”

Among the features Brynes singled out was the building’s distinctive fenestration, abstracted columns, and the incorporation of automotive motifs, such as tire-tread bricks and wing nut sculptures. Meanwhile, he derided 1780 Broadway as impressive but a far more typical example of Chicago School and Vienna Succession architecture.

“1780 Broadway is typical of the era,” Bankoff said. “225 West 57th is not. Maybe if it had been built in the ‘20s, but it is very advanced for 1909.”

Commissioner Roberta Brandes Gratz argued that the two buildings, which are of the similar proportions and construction and connected by a freight elevator in the rear, are inseparable. “I find the 57th Street building more distinctive, and to separate the two would be like separating siblings,” she said. She added that is would be hard to appreciate the Broadway building without its neighbor.

After the vote, Raizy Haas, a senior vice president for development at Extell, said the firm had looked at preserving both buildings. They would be part of a T-shaped development stretching from 57th Street to 58th Street with a spur on Broadway occupied by the B.F. Goodrich Building. But because of differing floor heights in the two buildings and other issues, 225 West 57th could not be saved.

Plans have not been drawn up and a designer has yet to be announced, though Haas said Extell was “absolutely” considering someone on par with its recent collaborators, which include Christian de Portzamparc and SOM.




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Couldn't resist this pic, and the thought of the potential 900 or 1,000 footer that will dramatically rise here, in the very center of this photo...

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Marked this image to show the two development sites...

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So, just to clarify, is the Art Deco tower on the corner of Broadway and 57th part of the demolition plans?
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The view from the park looking south in a couple years is going to dramatically change with those two towers and Tower Verre. That picture helps a lot NYguy with localization.

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So, just to clarify, is the Art Deco tower on the corner of Broadway and 57th part of the demolition plans?
No.
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Also check out the website of on of the potential architects, his designs are very cool, I 'm excited.

http://www.chdeportzamparc.com/
     
     
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Also check out the website of on of the potential architects, his designs are very cool, I 'm excited.

http://www.chdeportzamparc.com/
Portzamparc is also doing Extell's large west side development (Riverside Center). It would be interesting to see who they pick for the 225 W. 57th St tower...

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73-Story Tower to Rise on 57th Street With Abu Dhabi's Help

Tuesday, November 17, 2009
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Extell has become so tight-lipped on its planned 73-story condo/Park Hyatt hotel that we keep having to mine international news sources for updates. Already we received word from France that Pritzker Prize-winning starchitect Christian de Portzamparc will design 157 West 57th Street, across the street from Carnegie Hall. Now, via Abu Dhabi's English-language newspaper The National and carrying the byline of New York Sun (R.I.P.) alum Bradley Hope, it's revealed that the project just got a big funding boost.

Aabar Investment, a company controlled by the Abu Dhabi government, has paid Extell for a majority stake in the the project, and the deal could be the "start of several property projects in New York" from the Middle Easterners. The Essex House right behind the vacant lot is owned by Dubai's Jumeirah, so maybe this neighborhood should now be called the Emirate?


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November 17. 2009


Aabar Investment, a company controlled by the Abu Dhabi Government, is helping fund the development of a 73-storey luxury apartment building and hotel in New York City.

Khadem al Qubaisi, the chairman of Aabar, confirmed the company had paid Extell Development for a majority stake in a project rising at 157 West 57th Street in Manhattan, just a block away from Central Park and next door to Essex House, a hotel owned by the Jumeirah Group of Dubai.

Mr al Qubaisi said the deal with Extell, the company of the development giant Gary Barnett, could be the start of several property projects in New York.

“We selected Gary Barnett for our first project,” Mr al Qubaisi said, adding that the company was also reviewing other potential property deals in New York. “If things go well, we will start another project.”

The tower would be the latest expansion of Abu Dhabi’s presence in the New York property market. Last year, the sovereign wealth fund Abu Dhabi Investment Council bought a 75 per cent stake in the iconic Chrysler building in midtown Manhattan.

And earlier this month, the UAE Government bought a stalled development project for US$44.7 million (Dh164.1m) at 313-317 East 46th Street. An embassy spokesman said he could not yet divulge information about the Government’s plans for the building. The site is located near the UN headquarters.

Mr Barnett said the 57th Street development would be “one of the greatest buildings in the last 50 years” because of its prime location and ambitious design.

It would also be a lucrative venture because it would begin to be delivered several years from now, when the market is likely to be back on the upswing.

“Things are starting to pick up in New York,” he said. “Office space is improving because the financial sector is doing so well. We’ve seen residential buildings selling at between $5,000 and $6,000 a square foot. Even with the current market still slow, we think it will do extremely well when it is finished.”

In Aabar’s second-quarter earnings report, the company disclosed that it had made advances of Dh491.5m “to a property developer in order to acquire a majority stake in a development project in New York”.

Mr al Qubaisi said the Extell project would be a “combination of residential, office and a hotel”.

“We are negotiating now with hotel operators,” he said.

A construction document filed with the New York City Department of Buildings in March said the building would include 150 apartments and a 20-floor hotel.

Mr Barnett said the design by the French architect Christian de Portzamparc had recently been finalised. “It will be a very unusual building,” he said.

The tower would be higher than the three tallest skyscrapers within the area: Carnegie Hill Tower, the Metropolitan Tower, and CitiSpire.

The deal will add to Aabar’s growing international profile as it transforms itself from a little-known energy investor to a major strategic investment company of the Abu Dhabi Government.

On Monday, Aabar announced it had joined with Daimler to buy 75 per cent of the Formula One team Brawn GP for more than £100m (Dh616.6m). The deal capped a streak of major acquisitions over the past six months, including a 9.1 per cent stake in Daimler and a 32 per cent stake in Virgin Galactic, a commercial space flight subsidiary of the Virgin Group. .

Blair Hagkull, the head of the Middle East and North Africa office of the property consultancy Jones Lang Lasalle, said that such an investment in a trophy property project could be lucrative because it was being built during a down period and would probably be delivered as the market began to recover.

“There is only one Central Park,” he said. “This is a once-in-50-year downturn. There are a lot of opportunities out there.”

There is a major focus on investing in distressed properties in London and this will probably shift to include Paris, Singapore and New York over the next year, Mr Hagkull said.

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Mr Barnett said the design by the French architect Christian de Portzamparc had recently been finalised. “It will be a very unusual building,” he said.
I can't take it anymore, I need a rendering...
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This guy has designed many iconic towers, so don't be surprised...

     
     
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