Surrey Updates - Page 23

Whalleyboy · #**441** Posted **Nov 3, 2009, 7:16 AM**

okay so as a i said the other day when i am less lazy i'd post pics of Nature Centre concepts
here we go

photos all from my photobucket

geoff's two cents · #**442** Posted **Nov 3, 2009, 8:54 AM**

Whalleyboy, thanks for posting. I must say I'm impressed. My one quibble would be with how closed off this park is to Fraser Hwy. Would it be possible, I wonder, to have another entrance there?

Whalleyboy · #**443** Posted **Nov 3, 2009, 9:05 AM**

its actually not that closed of since there is the new timber ways road being built

and i think since fraser hwy is gonna be 4 lane road it would really take the nature and safety feel of this park away

metroXpress · #**444** Posted **Nov 4, 2009, 1:35 AM**

WOW, impressive project indeed. Only a concept at the moment though.
I doubt that people would be happy with the new road and the idea of a whole new "nature centre". They would rather keep it as a forest reserve.

WaxItYourself · #**445** Posted **Nov 4, 2009, 4:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by metroXpress

WOW, impressive project indeed. Only a concept at the moment though.
I doubt that people would be happy with the new road and the idea of a whole new "nature centre". They would rather keep it as a forest reserve.

yeah when i first saw this I was wondering why on Earth they would put that there right in the middle of the protected forest area. Where will all the animals go? There are bear and deer and cougars and a whole mess of other types of animals that would have to either be moved out or relocated to a much smaller section.

Whalleyboy · #**446** Posted **Nov 4, 2009, 4:32 AM**

beers and cougars=s
and the area is already there and cleared out for the most part and the nature centre is already moved there its just nothing nice like this

WaxItYourself · #**447** Posted **Nov 4, 2009, 4:41 AM**

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Originally Posted by Whalleyboy

beers and cougars=s
and the area is already there and cleared out for the most part and the nature centre is already moved there its just nothing nice like this

yeah i just looked on google earth and just noticed that it was cleared out. But yes there are bears and cougars in there. ME and my roommate were going to the park a few years back to go to the lake and they weren't allowing visitors in because a cougar had recently been seen.

Whalleyboy · #**448** Posted **Nov 4, 2009, 4:44 AM**

there not a regular animal that is found there
it wouldnt be safe to leave those kinda of animals in a urban environment

WaxItYourself · #**449** Posted **Nov 4, 2009, 4:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by Whalleyboy

there not a regular animal that is found there
it wouldnt be safe to leave those kinda of animals in a urban environment

You're probably right. After looking it up it does not say that coyotes or bears are in the park. However it does say that coyotes and raccoons and squirrels and rabits and a host of other animals inhabit the park.

Whalleyboy · #**450** Posted **Nov 4, 2009, 4:54 AM**

yeah those ones are the type that can survive in that area
and like you said you can see most of the area is already cleared up where it is going. So its not like its gonna damage green timbers

metroXpress · #**451** Posted **Nov 4, 2009, 5:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Whalleyboy

yeah those ones are the type that can survive in that area
and like you said you can see most of the area is already cleared up where it is going. So its not like its gonna damage green timbers

Good, cause I don't want to see signs like "No Nature Centre!!" like what they did for "No 84th!!"

SpongeG · #**452** Posted **Nov 4, 2009, 5:12 AM**

its right next to the new out patient hospital though and its not the wildest part of the park - the RCMP thing is a go too - so it will be nice fo that corner

officedweller · #**453** Posted **Nov 6, 2009, 5:09 AM**

Saw an article in the newspaper that said that JP Morgan Chase will be closing its call centre in Surrey Central Tower by the end of next year.

Whalleyboy · #**454** Posted **Nov 6, 2009, 11:34 PM**

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Redwood zip lines on agenda

By Tracy Holmes - Peace Arch News

Published: November 06, 2009 2:00 PM
Updated: November 06, 2009 2:56 PM

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The City of Surrey will host an open house Tuesday (Nov. 10) to share details of a proposal for an adventure park at Redwood Park.

The WildPlay concept includes a series of tree-to-tree obstacle courses for the South Surrey site, such as zip lines, suspension bridges and scramble nets.

Parks staff and the Nanaimo firm asked the city's heritage commission in June to consider allowing five hectares of the park's forested area to be used for the WildPlay Element Park.

The area sought would not be within the historical Brown Brothers homestead, and would not impact any heritage trees or existing trails, officials say.

The 32-hectare Redwood Park, at 20 Avenue and 180 Street, was a 21st birthday gift to deaf brothers David and Peter Brown. In about 1893, they began collecting tree seeds from around the world and planting them in the park. Today, the site boasts 32 species of trees from Russia, Austria, Japan, France, Italy and California.

The siblings also built a two-storey treehouse, and later donated the park to the City of Surrey.

Tuesday's open house, from 6-8 p.m. in the gym at Hall's Prairie Elementary (18035 8 Ave.), is "an opportunity to review accurate background information and a conceptual plan," states a notice on the city's website. A presentation is planned for 6:15 p.m.

Staff will also be on hand to receive input. For more information, call 604-501-5050.

http://www.bclocalnews.com/surrey_area/surreyleader/news/69411497.html

Nites · #**455** Posted **Nov 7, 2009, 6:35 AM**

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Excuse me but I'm BLOWN AWAY by the huge controversy of expanding 84th across to the other side of the "park"

Notice how this beeeeeeauuuutiful section of the park has been cleared to allow the most pristine of all modern wonders, high tension powerlines, to run overhead and how the poor park will be split between the recreational and forested areas of the north and the beautifully skewed southern half with the oh so scenic residential sprawl taking up 2/3rds of the "other half of the park". But I mean, god forbid we build a bridge over a stream that has been bridged off everywhere else within view. It's not like it's a virgin part of nature we are talking about here.

But we can always extend 80th, right? RIGHT?

I live on 84th and 133A Street and we signed a petition to disable the project and it was approved. So they are no longer doing this.

Nites · #**456** Posted **Nov 7, 2009, 6:52 AM**

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A bad precedent for what? That section isn't technically part of the park actually. The only precedent it would set would be council not going with the opinions of residents in that area. I don't disagree with council's decision because they did what politicians do, side with those voting for them. But at the same time, I think the people against the 84th extension should wake up to the realities that they live less than 10 blocks away from the second downtown of the Lower Mainland under construction.

They can expect there will be some need for expansion, upgrades, infrastructure, and population growth in the area. And given what Holland Park looks like now after the 'upgrades', I think that part of Bear Creek could have been made to look absoultely amazing in the process of the road expansion. Right now, as the person said 2 above, it is just brown grass, power lines, and fences of houses. Nothing special.

Oh well. It will happen eventually. Council will instruct staff to look at alternatives, then they'll come back saying "We looked at alternatives and they will be 10 times the cost and 5 times more disruptive so we're making an executive decision and extending 84th".

I'd bet money on it. There's really no other alternative.

This road would put a huge dent into our rising property values.

GeeCee · #**457** Posted **Nov 7, 2009, 7:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by skymaster

I live on 84th and 133A Street and we signed a petition to disable the project and it was approved. So they are no longer doing this.

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Originally Posted by skymaster

This road would put a huge dent into our rising property values.

Ah, ain't NIMBYism grand? The public good is more important than your property value..

cornholio · #**458** Posted **Nov 9, 2009, 12:21 AM**

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This road would put a huge dent into our rising property values.

That is beyond sad.

See I throw my garbage on the sidewalk, because it is convenient, i cut people of in traffic because it saves me time, and time is money, money, money, im the center of the universe. Bla bla bla, the world revolves around me me ME

SpongeG · #**459** Posted **Nov 9, 2009, 1:05 AM**

the road is already there for the most part its just being extended - right now it just goes into some parking lot and service building

GMasterAres · #**460** Posted **Nov 9, 2009, 7:41 PM**

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This road would put a huge dent into our rising property values.

Sure the same way I heard for years that widening 140th street, building a Mosque, developing Brookside, building a gas station on the corner of 88th and KGH, redeveloping Newton, would reduce everyone's property value. I grew up in that area listening to people like you and not one had their property actually go down.

Extending 84th would not reduce property values and if you think so, then you don't understand how property is actually valued on this planet. There is a common myth that road traffic = reduced property values. Do a little test though, pop up the property values for houses along 140th street before it was widened to 2 lanes and after. You'll fine property values have gone up considerably. Also do a little property value check for houses next to Fraser Highway as it has been widened. You'll find their values have gone up too quite a bit and Fraser Highway is MUCH more busy that 84th ever would be.

That's the problem when you believe in myth and magic.