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Old Posted Oct 28, 2009, 12:37 AM
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Wasn't there a competition involving the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building to see what building would be the tallest? Just saying...
I think it was 40 Wall Street and the Chrysler Building that actually adjusted their heights multiple times to be taller than the other. But you're right, many companies actually do build tall buildings to boost their egos.. I think it's actually very common. I mean, just look at anything with Donald Trump's name on it...
     
     
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You know, a 32 story highrise built in downtown will probably be not taller than the COB, due to the COB's higher elevation.
yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
     
     
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It all depends on the architecture and space requirements. I hope whatever design it becomes to be, is not another flat roof highrise. (Sorry about the confusing English. On brain overload. )
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I think it was 40 Wall Street and the Chrysler Building that actually adjusted their heights multiple times to be taller than the other. But you're right, many companies actually do build tall buildings to boost their egos.. I think it's actually very common. I mean, just look at anything with Donald Trump's name on it...
The Burj Dubai also increased its height several times during construction in order to compete with the proposed Al Burj tower.
     
     
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I noticed today that Corner Bakery and Cafe is opening at 610 S Foothill.
http://www.cornerbakerycafe.com/home.aspx

They are a national chain but have good and quick food, I expect they will be opening many locations throughout Utah very soon, including in City Creek Center.
     
     
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I noticed today that Corner Bakery and Cafe is opening at 610 S Foothill.
http://www.cornerbakerycafe.com/home.aspx

They are a national chain but have good and quick food, I expect they will be opening many locations throughout Utah very soon, including in City Creek Center.
I would be surprised if corner bakery set up shop in City Creek--unless it was in one of the street spaces (along Main or 100 S). There are quite a few Corner Bakerys here in the DC area and I have never seen them in a mall setting--usually on a street in a busy commercial district. Just my thoughts though.
     
     
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The thing is, City Creek is a bit of a hybrid. It will easily qualify as a VERY busy Commercial District with busy streets, even within the blocks, which will be surrounded by and mixed with office space and residential. To me City Creek is a much different set-up than say The Grove in L.A., or many Lifestyle Centers I'm familiar with. I guess though, if Corners depends heavily on drop-in auto traffic or say drive-up windows, then maybe it wouldn't be a good fit at CCC. One thing is for sure, there will be some kind of a bakery set-up at CCC. I mean, you have thousands of captive office workers and residents, right on top of the Center. Then there's the obvious love affair Utahn's have for pastries, and all things bakery related, LOL.

Looking over the menu, it would seem that Corners is very much along the same line as Paradise Cafe. Paradise has done very well in the Sugarhouse, semi-lifestyle setting. Corners is not quite as extensive a bakery as Kneaders, but pretty much the same format. I would prefer seeing Kneader's locate at CCC, because of it being more of a locally started business, headquartered in Utah, and also it's exceptional quality of ingredients. I'm not disapointed though, having another quality cafe/bakery like Corners setting up in the area . I'm always excited when a new bakery comes to town!

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The thing is, City Creek is a bit of a hybrid. It will easily qualify as a VERY busy Commercial District with busy streets, even within the blocks, which will be surrounded by and mixed with office space and residential. To me City Creek is a much different set-up than say The Grove in L.A., or many Lifestyle Centers I'm familiar with. I guess though, if Corners depends heavily on drop-in auto traffic or say drive-up windows, then maybe it wouldn't be a good fit at CCC. One thing is for sure, there will be some kind of a bakery set-up at CCC. I mean, you have thousands of captive office workers and residents, right on top of the Center. Then there's the obvious love affair Delts has for pastries, and all things bakery related, LOL.


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If the mystery Atlanta Tower (Green Bro's friends) is only 32 stories, that will suit SLC just fine...it can still fill in nicely and there are plenty of sites available that could help it to dominate its niche in the skyline. And Shakman is right--the right crown could really help it set things off, instead of a flat roof that we've got in abundance here already.
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And Delts, a Kneaders just opened in our neighborhood; I didn't realize it was a homegrown Utah company. That makes me want to give them a shot.
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The thing is, City Creek is a bit of a hybrid. It will easily qualify as a VERY busy Commercial District with busy streets, even within the blocks, which will be surrounded by and mixed with office space and residential. To me City Creek is a much different set-up than say The Grove in L.A., or many Lifestyle Centers I'm familiar with. I guess though, if Corners depends heavily on drop-in auto traffic or say drive-up windows, then maybe it wouldn't be a good fit at CCC. One thing is for sure, there will be some kind of a bakery set-up at CCC. I mean, you have thousands of captive office workers and residents, right on top of the Center. Then there's the obvious love affair Utahn's have for pastries, and all things bakery related, LOL.

Looking over the menu, it would seem that Corners is very much along the same line as Paradise Cafe. Paradise has done very well in the Sugarhouse, semi-lifestyle setting. Corners is not quite as extensive a bakery as Kneaders, but pretty much the same format. I would prefer seeing Kneader's locate at CCC, because of it being more of a locally started business, headquartered in Utah, and also it's exceptional quality of ingredients. I'm not disapointed though, having another quality cafe/bakery like Corners setting up in the area . I'm always excited when a new bakery comes to town!
I agree with your points...I would say anywhere a kneaders went a corner bakery could probably go as well--I just see it as going on a sidewalk outside of a mall (even though the mall is right there--for example the location where Skool Lunch used to be (at the base of Eagle Gate) I could totally see Kneaders / Corner going into a site like that. Maybe i'm just weird in the distinction though.
     
     
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Alcohol » SLC mayor wants elimination of two-bar-per-block restriction to help boost economic development.

By Derek P. Jensen
The Salt Lake Tribune


Fed up with cluttered alcohol laws and confusion expressed by visitors and locals alike, Salt Lake City has formally called for the end of the two-bar-per-block restriction downtown.

A majority of public feedback sought by City Hall supports the idea, which Mayor Ralph Becker's team hopes will jump-start economic development, entice tourists, and allow a social scene to sprout organically, without antiquated government regulation.

"We wanted to minimize the city's dictating to the market where those places could go," David Everitt, Becker's chief of staff, said Wednesday. Besides, "the state restrictions still completely apply."

Those rules ban bars within 600 feet of a church, park or school.

At the same time, the city wants to explore placing conditions on certain bars near downtown lofts, condos and apartments to avoid complaints. Officials also hope to develop a "holistic" policy -- likely next year -- that addresses smoking and noise associated with urban bars.

Everitt says the city doesn't expect push-back from the Legislature because zoning changes fall under municipal purview. "The Legislature realizes that local land use is very traditionally the province of cities," he said. "What we're doing is still incredibly more restrictive than most cities."

Indeed, Becker is not interested in creating a so-called entertainment district, which pleases City Council Chairman Carlton Christensen. "I don't think anybody's interested in a pure tavern row," he said.

Still, Christensen predicts there "probably is an appetite" on the Council to make the change, since it could boost business and the city's image.

"This aspect of it will be a lot less controversial than the neighborhood [bar] component."

The Council is expected to vote on the downtown revision by the end of the year. A proposal to allow pubs near neighborhoods in established commercial zones still is being crafted.

If adopted, the downtown proposal would essentially blanket the business district. Potential bar owners could tap their kegs from North Temple to nearly 1000 South, and from 200 East to 600 West.

An extensive public-outreach effort has included presentations to community councils, neighborhood group discussions, board briefings, an open house and a planned telephone survey. Out of 169 responses to the alcohol "normalization" proposal, 130 were favorable and 26 opposed, according to the mayor's office.

"It's a great idea," writes Casey Buxton. "It's time for Salt Lake to shake its bad reputation as a closed-off city of religion."

Scores of residents cheered the mayor's move. Wiping away the "archaic" law, they argue, will draw conventioneers, promote walkability, reduce drunken driving, recognize free agency and bring the capital "into the 21st Century."

"It does not make any sense to keep adults from enjoying a legal beverage," Terry Martin writes. "It is time to grow up Utah."

Draper's Shaina Miron Quinn says she and her husband enjoy coming downtown for dinner and wine, but want more options. "It seems reasonable and it retains all of the state and community safeguards," she writes. "We just want what is standard in other American cities."

Others insist pushing the capital toward "normalcy" is a bad idea.

"When we say we need more bars to attract more tourists we are making a degrading assumption that people come to our city to drink," Sasha Pachev writes. "I'd rather have them go somewhere else."

Some residents fret loosening the restrictions will usher too much noise, too much cigarette smoke and the loss of the city's "sober" nature. "To go backwards to the 19th Century like this would be a big mistake," Steven Staker writes. "It would simply create new areas of the city in need of renewal."

Everitt says the main motivation is to let the market -- not city planners drawing drinking borders -- decide.

"The last thing we wanted was this sense that we had the [LDS] temple on one end and the bar zone on the other end, and never the twain shall meet," he said. "We want everybody to feel comfortable."

But even if the Council agrees, could a lack of alcohol licenses at the state render the changes all for naught?

Becker and Everitt concede that is possible, but will not mount a lobbying effort for more licenses on Utah's Capitol Hill. "We've looked at that," Becker said. "At this point, I'm not worried about it."

What's next

The City Council is expected to vote on easing the downtown bar limits by the end of the year. A second proposal -- to allow bars near neighborhoods in "mature" commercial zones -- still is being drafted. It should face the Planning Commission, followed by a Council vote, in the coming months.

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Groceries Cooperative » Market planned to open in 2011.

http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_13660704

Nearly 40 members have signed up to be owners of a cooperative grocery store in Salt Lake City, with an opening-date target of fewer than two years.

The co-op will focus on selling organic, sustainable and locally produced foods, said Alison Einerson, a member of the Wasatch Cooperative Market. Owner-members of the for-profit group are to receive annual refunds based on store profits and the amount of food they purchase.

A marketing and feasibility study is planned to determine the co-op's location. Areas being considered in Salt Lake City include downtown, the Avenues, Sugar House and the University of Utah neighborhood...


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Groceries Cooperative » Market planned to open in 2011.

http://www.sltrib.com/business/ci_13660704

Nearly 40 members have signed up to be owners of a cooperative grocery store in Salt Lake City, with an opening-date target of fewer than two years.

The co-op will focus on selling organic, sustainable and locally produced foods, said Alison Einerson, a member of the Wasatch Cooperative Market. Owner-members of the for-profit group are to receive annual refunds based on store profits and the amount of food they purchase.

A marketing and feasibility study is planned to determine the co-op's location. Areas being considered in Salt Lake City include downtown, the Avenues, Sugar House and the University of Utah neighborhood...


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This co-op proposal is exciting and I might just look into signing up as a member if they are still looking for some people.

When I am up in Boise on business I visit the Boise Co-op in their downtown and it is one of my favorite grocery stores. That co-op really gives Whole Foods a run for their money and offers a great and large variety of Idaho locally raised organic produce and meats, and an impressive selection of other local Idaho products, both food and non food, and I notice a lot of European imported food products especially the cheese area. Boise's Co-op is gourmet with that earthy hippie feel going on and has an incredible wine store that puts our state ran wine stores to shame.

That store is always extremely busy when I visit and I can see our new local co-op becoming very popular as well. This is good news! I wish it was not two years out, but sooner.
     
     
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I am quite surprised that a grocery cooperative along the Wasatch hadn't been established sooner. The Wasatch is known for some highly successful cooperatives. My parents were members of a cooperative for many years, that was one of the most successful of it's kind, and in it's respective field in No. America.
     
     
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I'm surprised too, seems it would be something that would thrive in the sugarhouse area...
lots of it is demographics too.. The co-op here is NEAR downtown in the northend actually.. and there isn't a walmart within a 5 mile radius of downtown boise... thank god!
     
     
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I'm surprised too, seems it would be something that would thrive in the sugarhouse area...
lots of it is demographics too.. The co-op here is NEAR downtown in the northend actually.. and there isn't a walmart within a 5 mile radius of downtown boise... thank god!
But then you can't get 'always low' prices?
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Which GA company?

I thought it might be fun to speculate about which GA-based company might be considering a major expansion in SLC. Here is a list of the GA companies in the Fortune Top 1000 List, along with my thoughts (whatever they're worth) about the possibility of that being the company taking up 24 floors of a highrise:

Fortune magazine compiles its list of the biggest and best businesses based on 2008 fiscal and calendar year financial performance, focusing on revenue.

• The Home Depot Inc. (NYSE: HD) dropped from 22 to 25 on the list, but remains Georgia’s highest ranked company. Fortune magazine noted CEO Frank Blake “has refocused the home-improvement chain on its core retail business, closing 15 underperforming U.S. locations in 2008, and halting plans for 50 new stores.” Home Depot also shuttered its Expo chain and specialty outlets. Painful changes, yet they're paying off,” Fortune noted. “Home Depot won't come roaring back until the housing market does, but the effect on sales (and HD's share price) then could be substantial.”

Home Depot had $71.3 billion in revenue in 2008.

DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WHY WOULD A RETAILER MOVE TO THE MOUNTAIN WEST, FAR AWAY FROM MAJOR MARKETS AND SUPPLIERS.

• Moving up from 46 to 43 is United Parcel Service Inc. (NYSE: UPS), which “suffered in 2008 as a drop in consumer spending hurt shipping volumes everywhere,” Fortune noted. “... In order to deal with the slowdown, the company has cut or reduced some operations, frozen executive salaries and is suspending its 401(k) match.”

UPS pulled in $51.5 billion in revenue last year.

A POSSIBILITY...FEDEX OPERATES WELL OUT OF MEMPHIS.

• Beverage giant The Coca-Cola Co. (NYSE: KO) climbed 10 spots to No. 73, with $31.9 billion in revenue.

NO CHANCE. COCA-COLA IS AS MUCH PART OF GA AS MARGARET MITCHELL. PLUS COKE WOULD NEED MUCH MORE SPACE THAN 24 FLOORS.

• Coca-Cola Enterprises Inc. (NYSE: CCE) had $21.8 billion in revenue for 2008, helping it move up two spots to 118 on the Fortune 500 list.

NO CHANCE. SAME ARGUMENT AS ABOVE.

• Delta Air Lines Inc. (NYSE: DAL) landed at 111, up from 129. Its revenue grew in 2008 to $22.7 billion.

NO CHANCE. DELTA CANNOT AFFORD TO MOVE ACROSS THE STREET, LET ALONE 1,200 MILES. DOES NOT NEED EXPENSIVE HIGH-RISE SPACE EITHER.

• Southern Co. (NYSE: SO) jumped to 149 from 166, posting $17.1 billion in revenue.

NO CHANCE. LOCAL POWER COMPANY.

• Columbus, Ga.-based insurer Aflac Inc. (NYSE: AFL) improved to 152 from 165. It had $16.6 billion in revenue.

NOT SURE ABOUT THIS ONE. MAKES SOME SENSE. COLUMBUS IS PRETTY ISOLATED, OVER A 100 MILES SOUTHWEST OF ATLANTA. BUT WONDER ABOUT A FINANCIAL COMPANY BEING SO FAR REMOVED FROM WALL STREET.

• SunTrust Banks Inc. (NYSE: STI) weathered a tough year last year and dropped to 211 with $12.8 billion in revenue. The bank holding and financial services company placed 193 last year.

NO CHANCE. IT WOULD BE LIKE ZIONS BK CORP MOVING TO ATLANTA.

• Genuine Parts Co. (NYSE: GPC) lost four spots to get No. 243 on the list with $11 billion in revenue.

MAYBE. THIS IS THE HOLDING COMPANY FOR NAPA AND OTHER PARTS COMPANIES. PEOPLE ARE HOLDING ON TO CARS LONGER. THIS COMPANY IS AN INTERESTING POSSIBILITY.

• AGCO Corp. (NYSE: AG) generated $8.4 billion in revenue and made a big improvement to a ranking of 306. The Duluth, Ga.-based agricultural equipment maker garnered a ranking of 359 in the 2008 list.

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH AGRICULTURE IN THE ENTIRE WEST TO MAKE THIS MOVE MAKE SENSE.

• Calhoun, Ga.-based flooring products company Mohawk Industries Inc. (NYSE: MHK) placed 367 with $6.8 billion in revenue. It was at 328 in the 2008 list.

NO CHANCE. WHY WOULD A FLOORING COMPANY MOVE SO FAR AWAY FROM ITS SUPPLIERS AND MAJOR MARKETS.

• Consumer products company Newell Rubbermaid Inc. (NYSE: NWL) is ranked 387 with $6.5 billion in revenue. It was 378 last year.

NOT SURE IF A RETAIL PRODUCTS MANUFACTURER MAKES SENSE IN UTAH.

• Making its first appearance as a Georgia company is Asbury Automotive Group (NYSE: ABG). In the 2008 list, it was based in New York and ranked 421. It moved headquarters to Atlanta and is now ranked 486 with $4.8 billion in revenue.

NO CHANCE. ASBURY IS THE MUCH LARGER VERSION OF THE LARRY H. MILLER GROUP.

Sixteen other Georgia-based companies (with rankings) made the Fortune 1000: Graphic Packaging Corp. (NYSE: GPK) at 547; Exide Technologies (NASDAQ: XIDE) at 585; Mirant Corp. (NYSE: MIR) at 660; Georgia Gulf Corp. (NYSE: GGC) at 703; Rock-Tenn Co. (NYSE: RKT) at 711; AGL Resources Inc. (NYSE: ATG) at 717; BlueLinx Holdings Inc. (NYSE: BXC) at 722; Spectrum Brands Inc. (NYSE: SPC) at 736; Flowers Foods Inc. (NYSE: FLO) at 799; Synovus (NYSE: SNV) at 823; Acuity Brands Inc. (NYSE: AYI) at 869; Beazer Homes USA Inc. (NYSE: BZH) at 883; TSYS (NYSE: TSS) at 913; Equifax Inc. (NYSE: EFX) at 915; Mueller Water Products Inc. (NYSE: WMA) at 945; and Wendy’s/Arby’s Group Inc. (NYSE: WEN) at 957.

AMONG ALL THESE 16 OTHER COMPANIES, TWO STICK OUT: EQUIFAX AND SYNOVUS. I AM GOING TO RULE OUT SYNOVUS BECAUSE THEY ARE A REGIONAL FINANCIAL SERVICES COMPANY WHO IS NOT IN PARTICULARLY GREAT SHAPE. EQUIFAX IS VERY INTERESTING, HOWEVER. I KNOW THEY ARE A CREDIT REPORTING COMPANY, BUT A MOVE TO SLC MIGHT MAKE SENSE. IF I HAD TO BET, I THINK I'D CHOOSE EQUIFAX.
     
     
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A very big thankyou Viper or whichever Moderator for cleaning up this thread early this morning. I came on the forum and was shocked to see what happened to CCC and what was about to happen to SLC. Please warn, moderate and suspend only the few that persist, but if possible not the whole thread. Your continued patience is much appreciated.
     
     
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