Canada Line | Completed

[Yume-sama]

Silent? To Helen Keller maybe.

[vansky]

the signs are plain, the designs are ok, train can't match designs in germany, overall, B+ maybe.

[Metro-One]

I find the C-Line for the most part very quiet for a metro. The trains in Paris were horribly loud, the trains in Japan are around the same level of noise, and the C-line is more quiet then any metro I have been on in the States!

I give the Canada Line an A-. The Millenium Line gets an A+, the new Seattle system a B because of its street grade sections, for comparison.

Main things that need to change on the C-Line are better signs, more decent public art (no cardboard walls this time) and more trainsets!

[Zassk]

Originally Posted by mr.x

The ridership is what it is because of the quick travel times, yet she wants more stations? Build YVR 3 and Capstan, and leave it at that.

Don't you think that ProTransBC can shave a couple minutes off of the total trip by tuning the acceleration/deceleration along the route? It is so inconsistent right now across the different sections, it feels like there is a lot of room for optimization. I bet that the trip can still be 25-26 minutes even with two more stations.

[mrjauk]

A couple of questions that may have been answered previously:

1) How much would a 2-car train cost? Does it depend on the size of a production run?

2) What is the maximum number of trains that could be in service at any one time, and what would that mean for headways?

Thanks.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by mrjauk

A couple of questions that may have been answered previously:

1) How much would a 2-car train cost? Does it depend on the size of a production run?

2) What is the maximum number of trains that could be in service at any one time, and what would that mean for headways?

Thanks.

1) $6-million per 2-car train; $3-million per car.

2) I believe it is 40 trains. Headways could reach 90 secs from Waterfront to Bridgeport and 3-minutes for the split sections.

I believe they need 32 trains to reach 90 secs.

Originally Posted by Zassk

Don't you think that ProTransBC can shave a couple minutes off of the total trip by tuning the acceleration/deceleration along the route? It is so inconsistent right now across the different sections, it feels like there is a lot of room for optimization. I bet that the trip can still be 25-26 minutes even with two more stations.

That's plausible I suppose, but is it necessary? The Canada Line is going to get all the ridership it will ever need with the current stations, more stations would only mean it'll reach its ultimate capacity sooner.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

I think the Canada Line is perfect. What would happen here if our $2b animal had the ridership of the new line in Seattle?

Answer: we'd never see more Skytrain in our lifetimes. Evergreen, UBC, whatever.

In my mind the buses have the biggest problem with over crowding right now.

Step 1: get more damn C-line trains running
Step 2: Shovels in the ground for Evergreen
Step 3: More buses (ideally all new should be zero emission/trolley)
Step 4: more C-Line cars

Practical, to the point, right on.

[twoNeurons]

Originally Posted by mr.x

That's plausible I suppose, but is it necessary? The Canada Line is going to get all the ridership it will ever need with the current stations, more stations would only mean it'll reach its ultimate capacity sooner.

That's a nice problem to have.

[mrjauk]

Originally Posted by Zassk

Don't you think that ProTransBC can shave a couple minutes off of the total trip by tuning the acceleration/deceleration along the route? It is so inconsistent right now across the different sections, it feels like there is a lot of room for optimization. I bet that the trip can still be 25-26 minutes even with two more stations.

This reminds me of someting I wanted to add to my post about the delay I experienced yesterday during rush hour. When we finally started moving again--from Olympic Station to Yaletown--the acceleration was noticably faster than I had previously experienced (and I've been on the line about 20 or so times since it opened). So, I guess the answer to your question is yes.

[deasine]

While many criticize the signs on the Canada Line, and I'm one of them as well, it's designed so that it can be changed easily. They are doing work on them all the time. The "No Entry" ones have been removed now and they are adding more "Way Out" signs on the backside of the station signs on the platform (the areas where Mr. X suggested there should be signs). Yes, they are quite plain and simple, but they work really well.

[CLC]

^ I guess ProtransBC staff actually read the opinion in this forum. I certainly didn't expect they've changed or added various signs so swiftly.

[nname]

Originally Posted by whatnext

And perhaps you've never taken this "airport line" with luggage, where the drawbacks of a cost cutting "one escalator" policy becomes painfully obvious as you wait for the elevator.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Metrotown, 22nd Street, Surrey Central, King George, Scott Road, Columbia, Production Way, Royal Oak, Joyce, Nanaimo, and Patterson all have 1 escalator? Isn't Main and Stadium have 1 escalator for one entrance, and no escalator at all for the other one? Isn't 29th Avenue and Edmonds have no escalator at all? Isn't all Millennium Line stations except Lougheed and Commercial have at most 1 escalator per platform? So why would the Canada Line be any different? I'm pretty sure Canada Line would come up way above the other lines if you calculate the average escalator per platform. For your luggage, there's this thing called "elevator" that's available in every station. If your luggage is so heavy and large that you cannot carry them up the stairs, it probably isn't a good idea to put them on the escalator either.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by mrjauk

I don't understand your objection. I saw an exhibit of photographs a while back for which the subject was the Rwandan genocide. I can't imagine that those whose corpses were photographed would have objected to their use in disseminating the narrative of the horrors to which they had been subjected.

Apples and oranges. The Rwanda genocide skulls are a shrine/memorial, I believe the one you're talking about happened at a school where tens of thousands went for refuge but were murdered.

The crashed cars are art.

[nname]

Originally Posted by mr.x

1) $6-million per 2-car train; $3-million per car.

2) I believe it is 40 trains. Headways could reach 90 secs from Waterfront to Bridgeport and 3-minutes for the split sections.

I believe they need 32 trains to reach 90 secs.

They need 36 trains to reach 90s, or 40 trains to provide 10% spare.

If they want to do it with 32 trains, they need to increase the speed to make end-to-end travel time under 22.5min, which is nice too

[nova9]

Originally Posted by mr.x

Apples and oranges. The Rwanda genocide skulls are a shrine/memorial, I believe the one you're talking about happened at a school where tens of thousands went for refuge but were murdered.

The crashed cars are art.

It's actually the difference between 'evocative imagery with a clear historical PoV or allegory' versus 'evocative imagery with subtext'. ugh. that's why we just can't beat classical art (in my layman's opinion) that merely depicted stories with a clear connection to lore or history.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by nname

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Metrotown, 22nd Street, Surrey Central, King George, Scott Road, Columbia, Production Way, Royal Oak, Joyce, Nanaimo, and Patterson all have 1 escalator? Isn't Main and Stadium have 1 escalator for one entrance, and no escalator at all for the other one? Isn't 29th Avenue and Edmonds have no escalator at all? Isn't all Millennium Line stations except Lougheed and Commercial have at most 1 escalator per platform? So why would the Canada Line be any different? I'm pretty sure Canada Line would come up way above the other lines if you calculate the average escalator per platform. For your luggage, there's this thing called "elevator" that's available in every station. If your luggage is so heavy and large that you cannot carry them up the stairs, it probably isn't a good idea to put them on the escalator either.

None of those are on the "airport line".

However that being said, Translink goes to enormous lengths to make sure everything is wheelchair accessible, and by that method, relatively easy for people with luggage and other stuff.

Try going to airport lines in London, Chicago, etc.

[nname]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

None of those are on the "airport line".

However that being said, Translink goes to enormous lengths to make sure everything is wheelchair accessible, and by that method, relatively easy for people with luggage and other stuff.

Try going to airport lines in London, Chicago, etc.

The Beijing airport line has neither escalator nor elevator, and people have to carry their luggage up 7 floors worth of stairs in order to exit the station. Our stations are much much more accessible than this

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

Silent? To Helen Keller maybe.

Actually, I recently travelled between Vancouver and Toronto and used the Toronto subway and Vancouver Canada Line. The Canada line feels a lot like the Toronto subway, but quieter. Both were clean, though Canada line was cleaner. No graffiti on either system.

One difference - the station stops on the Toronto subway were shorter - at some stations the doors opened for as little as 5 seconds - one advantage of having drivers on the trains. Canada Line has a preprogrammed dwell time based on the expected loads at the stations. I think the shortest is 10 seconds.

[officedweller]

Yeah, try riding the TCC Subway late at night. The doors open and close in a split second. You have to wait right at the door to jump out, otherwise you'd miss your stop. Those drivers just want to get home!

[twoNeurons]

I'm not so sure that's an advantage. I'd take predictability over the potential time savings of perhaps 4 minutes ( avg 15 seconds savings over 8 stops ).

When I see ( or hear ) a train coming in, I know that if I dash, I'll make the door.