Canada Line | Completed

[Yume-sama]

Originally Posted by mr.x

Grill them on the lack of capacity, and to resolve the interim crowding situation by putting in more money to buy more trains. Sure, the Liberals aren't directly responsible for this but indirectly they are...and I'm sure grilling them on it will have a trickle down effect for future projects and what we have to do in the future.

There could very well be 45 minute waits to board the Canada Line during the Olympics, considering on opening day we didn't really get *that* many riders, and lineups were hours and hours and hours long.

I'm thinking people arriving at YVR will likely have to wait for a few trains to come and go.

Considering, I went on one random day in September and saw massive lineups, and people waiting for a 2nd train. Mid-week, mid-afternoon, nonetheless.

At Bridgeport, there were even too many people to fit on the train to YVR.

And the city is making it all but impossible to drive downtown from YVR during the Olympics... it will be a *disaster*

[mr.x]

A Facebook group has been created, but at the moment it's still in secret mode as there's no content in it.


I have a few Olympic tickets, and I'm considering to buy more, but I'm weary of how the hell I'm gonna get to downtown during the Games. The Canada Line was suppose to be the solution.

[Yume-sama]

Originally Posted by mr.x

A Facebook group has been created, but at the moment it's still in secret mode as there's no content in it.


I have a few Olympic tickets, and I'm considering to buy more, but I'm weary of how the hell I'm gonna get to downtown during the Games. The Canada Line was suppose to be the solution.

You could do this...

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by Yume-sama

You could do this...

To make things worse, they're going to use their asinine crowd control techniques of holding people back from entering the platform. Because of that you're going to have even longer lines that stretch outside of the stations, and that's going to look incredibly terrible and unprepared to visitors and world cameras.


Ideally, I would use a large chunk of those 170 spare buses to parallel the Canada Line route...stopping only at the station entrances.

[Metro-One]

I love that picture.

I hate Canada Line's crowd control techniques, they are useless in my opinion, The attendants would be much more useful at the edge of the platform to direct people not to crowd the door when they unload and then stop people from holding the doors open after loading.

Also, they could currently almost triple the C-line capacity with just running/buying more train sets!

I want to wipe my ass with that stupid contract.

Also, that lady's article was funny, welcome to real transit, standing room only is quite the norm along many parts of the system.

An M-Line extension and more buses would help that situation out big time as well.

[Yume-sama]

Her shock at public transportation being busy does remind me of the time I was at IGA and the (extremely well dressed) old lady infront of me was just amazed by the fact they had a conveyor belt that moved the groceries up. "Technology these days...!" This was just when the recession had started, and it was rather apparent her housekeeper was probably the one doing the shopping for the last 25 years. But anyways, yes, public transportation will never be "comfortable" for the most part, and it is a tad bit inconvenient at times, which is why, try as you might, you won't get everybody to give up their car Door to door service can be hard to beat...

[Chikinlittle]

Originally Posted by mr.x

Grill them on the lack of capacity, and to resolve the interim crowding situation by putting in more money to buy more trains. Sure, the Liberals aren't directly responsible for this but indirectly they are...and I'm sure grilling them on it will have a trickle down effect for future projects and what we have to do in the future.

We could start this with a Facebook group.

The Canada Line is going to be a gong show during the Games:
- up to 60,000 people at GM Place daily (3 hockey games a day x 19,000 seats)
- 35,000 for nightly victory ceremonies @ BC Place
- 20,000 for the Live Sites
- tens and tens and tens of thousands more from other Olympic activities in Downtown and from tourists moving in and out and around town

They better use all 20 trains, and rip up the contract during those 17 days.

The Canada Line can't even handle existing demands, nevermind Olympic ones. And the Canada Line was why VANOC abandoned its transportation bus plan for the Vancouver-Richmond-Airport corridor, hoping that the Canada Line would provide the capacity they would need.



P.S. looks like my gong show predictions after bus integration are coming true!

Whilst I generally agree with the comments, here, do we not think that there will be a reduction of 'regular' daily travel and commutes during the Olympics?

[Yume-sama]

Originally Posted by Chikinlittle

Whilst I generally agree with the comments, here, do we not think that there will be a reduction of 'regular' daily travel and commutes during the Olympics?

Likely not. School is in, businesses are still open. The World goes on despite the Olympics. It needs to. All the shops and restaurants will be open, obviously.

If anything there could be more, as it will be basically impossible to drive downtown. And most jobs in our financial district are too important to put on hold for a month.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by Chikinlittle

Whilst I generally agree with the comments, here, do we not think that there will be a reduction of 'regular' daily travel and commutes during the Olympics?

To what extent though? It's true that most post-secondary students will have a 2 week break, that Catholic school students are taking a break as well, and that office workers and some families will pull kids out of school to take a vacation during the Games.

But the majority of people will still go to work, and the school board foolishly decided not to close schools for two weeks for purely political reasons. And don't forget about VANOC's 50,000 strong labour force which includes 25,000 volunteers mostly living in the Vancouver area. There's also a massive security force, including 5,000 privately contracted security guards. There will also be 12,000 ceremony participants and I'm sure a lot of the 10,000 media will be relying on transit to get around as well. There are also thousands of other volunteers and workers for jobs not directly run by VANOC including the massive Concord Pacific pavilion area...Molson Hockey Place is going to employ 1,000 people alone. The City of Vancouver and Richmond have their own Olympic volunteer programs too.

Add that all to what i said in my previous post.




GONG SHOW TIME! To those who think the Canada Line was built solely for the Olympics, it definitely wasn't. :p

[mr.x]

I do think there's a slight possibility that the 2010 Games could be tarnished by inconvenience and terrible transportation, among one of the infamous things the world had to see during the Atlanta 1996 Games.

[whatnext]

Laughable. And yet we're all supposed to take transit to work during the Games. The folly of building a system down to a (P3) price.

[s211]

Originally Posted by Waders

Last Sunday it took me about 30 seconds to find out how to exit from the Bay to Vancouver Centre, then turn right to the Canada Line entrance next to London Drug. There is not enough sign to show the correct path.
A guy was definitely lost near the Bay/Vancouver Centre exit as he walked back and forth a few times, looked around before he walked towards the direction of the station entrance.

There's a big honking floor plan in Vancouver Centre just outside the Bay entrance.

[TransitFreak]

I agree that the Canada Line will have its challenges during the Olympics...ideally, we should have more trains (at least 10 more 2-car sets) to run 2 min headways on the main line, with a couple of spares, so unless we can get some 'on loan' (does the Athens one run on the same specs? Can't remmeber), they'll have to incorporate variable scheduling of some sorts. Assuming 26 mins travel on both YVR and Richmond, headways of 2 mins mainline would involve 13 trains one direction. You could overload one direction for about 30 mins, based on crush load, sardine 10-12K people out (assuming it all fills up between Waterfront & Olympic Village).

If it's still backlogged, either deadhead those originally overloaded trains back, or run some trains with limited stops to serve major stops (i.e. Inbound train from YVR only stops at Bridgeport, Marine, Oakridge, Broadway, then all local stops). For example, Opening night, after the ceremonies, I hardly think there will be major volume inbound, all is going outbound, so run 2 min headways outbound, then 4-5 mins inbound. With current inventory, only way to maximize trains is to stage it for the anticipated rush...

[deasine]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Laughable. And yet we're all supposed to take transit to work during the Games. The folly of building a system down to a (P3) price.

Laughable statement. Building a P3 price system doesn't necessarily equate to less capacity. If you set the terms properly in the beginning of the project, you wouldn't have a problem and obviously that isn't necessarily the case in this situation.

Aside from the crowd control handling issues that ProTransBC uses, the fact that there are shorter trains and shorter platforms for light metros are becoming quite a trend. Copenhagen Metro, deemed 2008's metro of the year (for good reason though), has trains operating every four minutes during rush hour, six minutes during regular day, and fifteen minutes during night. Quite similar to the Canada Line actually. They operate 34 trains 33.5 kilometres, whereas we have 16-18 trains for 19 kilometres. They have 39 metre trains, we have 41 metre ones. I guess the main difference is they have 60 metre platforms, versus us at 40-50 metres (depending on the station), but the Copenhagen Metro does have a lot of people queuing for the entire length of the platform for many periods of the day.

[LeftCoaster]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Laughable. And yet we're all supposed to take transit to work during the Games. The folly of building a system down to a (P3) price.

The fact that this was built and is operated as a P3 has absolutely nothing to do with its capacity.

Please educate yourself on the issue before commenting further.

[usog]

It would be pretty darn awkward for them to complain about under-designing the project after complaining it was already too much just to build it at all.

[CLC]

I heard that huge delay on Canada Line (perhaps the most significant one since start of operation). Probably no media will report of it, nor does anything stated on Translink "Current Conditon" Alert.

Because of the issue, I went to pick up someone at YVR this evening, instead of having him trying out the Canada Line.

[deasine]

I think we should find out more info later. Nothing on ProTransBC's website though... still reported as "normal"

SkyTrain (including Canada Line) moves on average 320,000 passengers per weekday. Late last year, SkyTrain reached a milestone “one billionth passenger” since its official launch in January 1986.

Source: TransLink

[metroXpress]

Originally Posted by CLC

I heard that huge delay on Canada Line (perhaps the most significant one since start of operation). Probably no media will report of it, nor does anything stated on Translink "Current Conditon" Alert.

Because of the issue, I went to pick up someone at YVR this evening, instead of having him trying out the Canada Line.

That's very nice of you. You're friend must be very delightful

[WarrenC12]

Why does the bus driver of the 99B in the article say that things have been busy "since the 98B stopped"? That doesn't make any sense.

Regarding overcrowding, I have yet to see C-Line overcrowding first hand. However almost any time I've ridden the bus lately it's jammed.

The 410 in Richmond is terrible. More buses are needed before anything else, IMHO.

I'd like to see what the difference would be with all C-Line trains running.