Salt Lake:Official development news thread - Part 2 - Page 89

T-Mac · #**1761** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 12:44 AM**

MetroFanatic · #**1762** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 1:54 AM**

I spent every day this week in downtown for some reason or another, and I must say, South Temple is starting to get a feeling of density by the Joseph Smith Memorial Building. Same with that little corridor on 400 West from 200 South to West Temple.

delts145 · #**1763** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 12:19 PM**

Thanks for the pics on this project T-Mac. I hope it will get underway soon.

by T-Mac

SLC Projects · #**1764** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 4:50 PM**

Has this happen to any one else? I go to this thread and when ever I try to leave by clicking on the Mountain West link it takes me to some kind of lame ass Obama add.

Kind of annoying.

Anyways about the development on Street. I'm with you Delts that I hope this gets underway soon. Those buildings are worn down and are ugly. I can't wait to see them get torn down or fixed up.

delts145 · #**1765** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 5:05 PM**

There have been a few problems with the forum lately Projects. In addition to the adds, which are deletable within about ten seconds, my page task often freezes up, and I have to exit the forum and reboot the website. It only happens on this forum, so I am assuming it's a forum issue.

jmonkey · #**1766** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 6:48 PM**

Thanks for the great update on the Utah Museum of Natural History, delts!! I for one am quite excited about this project. I think it's location is fantastic--the setting in the foothills highlights the museum's purpose, and the architecture of the building should blend the building in with the mountain nicely. I really dig the design of the building, as a matter of fact. It will fit nicely with the other attractions and institutional uses in the area, even though you may still have to drive to get to it. Unfortunately, our culture is almost completely car-dependent, and it will continue to be so in the immediate future, though the cars will be more fuel efficient, and will pollute less. Not everything can, or should, be built downtown.

The museum's current facility is so small, only a portion of it's collection can be displayed. It will be nice to view the rock and mineral displays, the Native American artifacts, and the dinosaur fossils in a facility where they can really be displayed well.

jmonkey · #**1767** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 6:56 PM**

I don't know how I feel about the State St. RDA redevelopment. Both proposals seem a bit flawed to me. I don't understand why only two of the three buildings are worthy of being saved under the La Porte plan. In their current condition, you really can't distinguish one building from another. I'd say that the Chadbourne building at 241 South has as much, if not more detail than the other two. If we are saving the buildings, we should save all three. A new three story building could be built at 235 South, to give the street a uniform height and density. I think the project could be viable as mostly renovation, and not redevelopment.

The current state of these buildings is deplorable. Is this how the city maintains it's property??? Along with the state of the police headquarters, I am forced to make that assumption. Does the city just allow these buildings to fall into complete disrepair, so it can argue for the replacement? Whatever the reason, the city is being a bad neighbor, and a bad custodian of public property.

urbanboy · #**1768** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 7:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmonkey

Thanks for the great update on the Utah Museum of Natural History, delts!! I for one am quite excited about this project. I think it's location is fantastic--the setting in the foothills highlights the museum's purpose, and the architecture of the building should blend the building in with the mountain nicely. I really dig the design of the building, as a matter of fact. It will fit nicely with the other attractions and institutional uses in the area, even though you may still have to drive to get to it. Unfortunately, our culture is almost completely car-dependent, and it will continue to be so in the immediate future, though the cars will be more fuel efficient, and will pollute less. Not everything can, or should, be built downtown.

The museum's current facility is so small, only a portion of it's collection can be displayed. It will be nice to view the rock and mineral displays, the Native American artifacts, and the dinosaur fossils in a facility where they can really be displayed well.

Why have a natural history museum out in nature? isn't bringing nature to the city the point of having a museum? We lost some of our nature for this building and it's very large parking lot.

"Unfortunately, our culture is almost completely car-dependant..?!" Which came first, the chicken or the egg? You'd think that in our relatively enlightened age, and city no doubt, we'd put a stop to the development patterns which made our culture auto dependent in the first place. You're appeal here to tradition is a fallacy.

These cramped artifacts could be displayed just as well in a new location downtown. Of course that won't happen now until this facility is overwhelmed, dilapidated, or an earthquake destroys it.

urbanboy · #**1769** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 7:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmonkey

The current state of these buildings is deplorable. Is this how the city maintains it's property??? Along with the state of the police headquarters, I am forced to make that assumption. Does the city just allow these buildings to fall into complete disrepair, so it can argue for the replacement? Whatever the reason, the city is being a bad neighbor, and a bad custodian of public property.

The city in fact has maintained these properties. They likely would not exist if it weren't for the city stepping in and buying them. They just don't have the funds to renovate these buildings.

Wasatch_One · #**1770** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 7:10 PM**

how about we tear everything down. buildings, freeways, everything... and live in caves. Theyre natural... right?

urbanboy · #**1771** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 7:13 PM**

Well at least we could keep our water, food, and air clean.

jmonkey · #**1772** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 7:29 PM**

Speaking of long-time members, I haven't seen Comrade recently. Does anyone know what's up? I hope he didn't leave SSP, as others have decided to do recently.

urbanboy · #**1773** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 7:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by jmonkey

Speaking of long-time members, I haven't seen Comrade recently. Does anyone know what's up? I hope he didn't leave SSP, as others have decided to do recently.

Were we speaking about long-time members?

Wasatch_One · #**1774** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 7:45 PM**

I just did a search on his comment history. He hasnt posted anything since the end of August, but it does show that he logged on at some point yesterday.

jmonkey · #**1775** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 8:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by urbanboy

Why have a natural history museum out in nature? isn't bringing nature to the city the point of having a museum? We lost some of our nature for this building and it's very large parking lot.

"Unfortunately, our culture is almost completely car-dependant..?!" Which came first, the chicken or the egg? You'd think that in our relatively enlightened age, and city no doubt, we'd put a stop to the development patterns which made our culture auto dependent in the first place. You're appeal here to tradition is a fallacy.

These cramped artifacts could be displayed just as well in a new location downtown. Of course that won't happen now until this facility is overwhelmed, dilapidated, or an earthquake destroys it.

ugh. I really don't want to argue with you, urbanboy. I think I'd rather go beat my head into a brick wall--it would do me as much good. But still, just a couple of points:

My appeal to tradition? I don't know how you made the leap to that conclusion. My appeal to the tradition of a car-centric culture? It's not something I would readily defend, but on the other hand, I can also accept reality. Public transportation systems are being continually improved, and new-urbanist development is taking off in many parts of the state, but the momentum is not there for a wholesale change in the way most Utahns live and work. I'm sorry that I'm not into your black-and-white, utopian fantasy of how the world should work. You may think it's right--I just think it comes off as inflexible dogma.

Building a museum without parking just means that fewer people will visit the museum, a continual problem for the museum on President's Circle. They were probably more concerned with how many school buses they could park there, than with how many people may come in from a direct TRAX connection. I'm sure those in charge of the museum considered these things when they chose their location.

And arguing that the museum belongs downtown, when it's been at the U for many, many years is somewhat disingenuous. There are many popular attractions in the area--Red Butte Gardens, This is the Place, Hogle Zoo-- none of which depend much on public transportation. It may not be perfect from your perspective, but it seems to be working very well. And why have natural history museum near nature???? So that you can take schoolchildren outside, and teach them about geology.

urbanboy · #**1776** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 8:22 PM**

Im sure more people would visit the museum if it were located downtown near a TRAX station than would if there were a wal-mart sized parking lot adjacent to it. Yes, parking for school busses is a concern, however since we're building anew, that could have been accounted for.

Please, don't be an apologist for bad development. We really can't afford to be.

Viperlord · #**1777** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 9:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Wasatch_One

I just did a search on his comment history. He hasnt posted anything since the end of August, but it does show that he logged on at some point yesterday.

Having chatted with Comrade on IM quite a few times I know he was getting to his breaking point with this forum due to all the nonsense and fighting going on. (Cant say I blame him). He hasnt asked me to close/delete his account like the other 3 that left have. So, you are probably right Wasatch.

skyguy414 · #**1778** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 9:52 PM**

Salt Lake Tribune

SLC's Main Street perks up
Night life » New restaurants and bars breed success for Main.

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_13590127

urbanboy · #**1779** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 10:02 PM**

I love what is happening on Main Street!

Here are more pictures from the article:

jtrent77 · #**1780** Posted **Oct 18, 2009, 10:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Viperlord

Having chatted with Comrade on IM quite a few times I know he was getting to his breaking point with this forum due to all the nonsense and fighting going on. (Cant say I blame him). He hasnt asked me to close/delete his account like the other 3 that left have. So, you are probably right Wasatch.

Can everyone please take special note of this post; and before attacking another member, or talking about ideas that don't matter to the purpose of the said thread think to yourself...is this really going to further the progress of anyone? Then ask, how many people might be annoyed with this post if I post it? I think there will be a lot less people leaving, and who knows maybe even more contributing if we will just be more considerate in our postings.