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Old Posted Oct 13, 2009, 3:53 PM
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This coming from a highly respected sports commentator in Regina:

http://rodpedersen.blogspot.com/2009/10/monday-morning-goalie_12.html
Sounds interesting... although the time lines seem a little tight to have an NHL team in place in Winnipeg and moving an AHL team to Saskatchewan in less than a year.
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Obviously this is a pro Winnipeg thread but i'll give my question a shot:

Now that the NHL met with the Quebec City mayor about the possibility of a team relocating there which city do you think stands a better chance of landing a coveted NHL team: Winnipeg, Hamilton or Quebec City?

My 2 cents: All 3 cities should get a team!!!

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Sounds interesting... although the time lines seem a little tight to have an NHL team in place in Winnipeg and moving an AHL team to Saskatchewan in less than a year.
not if it gets announced soon
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About the only way the NHL is going to get on US network television is if the NHL pays someone to show their games, NHL hockey ratings in the US fall somewhere between women's roller derby and curling.

I think you are wrong here - i believe women's roller derby has much, much higher ratings than any NHL game would.
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Obviously this is a pro Winnipeg thread but i'll give my question a shot:

Now that the NHL met with the Quebec City mayor about the possibility of a team relocating there which city do you think stands a better chance of landing a covet NHL team: Winnipeg, Hamilton or Quebec City?

My 2 cents: All 3 cities should get a team!!!
Quebec city is at a minimum 2 years away because they are combining the new team with a new arena that hasn't been built.

Hamilton or Winnipeg could be ready pretty much immediately if things fell into place.
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Obviously this is a pro Winnipeg thread but i'll give my question a shot:

Now that the NHL met with the Quebec City mayor about the possibility of a team relocating there which city do you think stands a better chance of landing a covet NHL team: Winnipeg, Hamilton or Quebec City?

My 2 cents: All 3 cities should get a team!!!
When the Quebec City mayor met with the NHL he told them the city was about to announce a new Arena will be built. They Gary Bettman responded "Well that is good, a new arena is necessary, but there aren't any teams for sale". If either Winnipeg, Hamilton or Quebec City do get a team, it will coincide with the resignation of Bettman. Thats my prediction.
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Quebec city is at a minimum 2 years away because they are combining the new team with a new arena that hasn't been built.

Hamilton or Winnipeg could be ready pretty much immediately if things fell into place.
Quebec .. no arena in place, no proposed arena at this point.. no owner in place

Hamilton ... no suitable arena, no suitable owner at this point .. within the market area of both Toronto and Buffalo

Winnipeg.. arena is built and ready ..ownership group is in place... no market disputes with other franchises

Hmmmm .. its tough to say.
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NHL forecast rosy
Analyst says 'Peg No. 1 on list for team
By PAUL FRIESEN



So the NHL types are dropping our name again.

This time it's deputy commissioner Bill Daly, calling Canadian cities like Winnipeg and Quebec City "prime candidates" for future NHL expansion or relocation.

That's right, the NHL is even using the "R" word these days, something that not long ago was strictly verboten.

Commissioner Gary Bettman used to say it was Phoenix or bust. Apparently, he's getting closer to the "bust" part every day.

Makes you wonder: are these guys paving the way for future moves, or simply leading us down a garden path lined with cacti and palm trees?

Today let's assume, just for fun, that not only Phoenix, but one or two other Ben Franklin-bleeding franchises are going to go sticks-up in the Unexcited States over the next year or two.

Where does the 'Peg fit on the list of potential new homes?

"It's still No. 1," sports business analyst Howard Bloom (sportsbusinessnews.com) insists. "Because it's not encumbered by any geographical situations like exist in Hamilton. You don't have to pay a relocation fee."

Bloom, who's based in Ottawa, is right about that. The Toronto Maple Leafs and maybe Buffalo Sabres would demand compensation should a new team move into their neighbourhood.

But Bloom was singing a similar tune four years ago, when he told us we'd have an NHL team by now.

"Nothing's changed from four years ago," Bloom said. "Other than someone's decided to keep funding what was a bad idea. I can't figure out what billionaires do with their money.

"Four years later we still have hockey teams playing in those nontraditional hockey markets, still not doing well, still giving away tickets, still bringing down the entire NHL."

The specifics, though, have changed.

Four years ago Bloom pegged Oklahoma City as a close second to Winnipeg for a potential NHL relocation.

With an NBA team there, he's erased it from his hot list, and inserted Quebec City -- if it gets the new arena they're talking about.

After that, he likes Hamilton's chances, even with the territorial issues.

His next two might surprise you: Seattle and Hartford.

"Seattle, because they've lost their NBA franchise," Bloom said. "Hartford -- why not? They're talking about bringing teams back to (traditional) markets. Hartford's a very good choice."

Why not Las Vegas, you ask?

Too transient a population, says Bloom. Not the right demographics to create a loyal fan base.

Besides, the mayor of Vegas, a former mafia lawyer, is more interested in establishing a museum for the mob than he is in the NHL.

As for which teams are most likely to bail on their current cities, that's changed, too.

Back in 2005, Bloom pegged Pittsburgh, Carolina, Anaheim, even Washington among the NHL's trouble spots. All four have regained their feet, to varying degrees.

Today, he points to Phoenix, Atlanta, Nashville, Tampa Bay, Florida and the Islanders as his Staggering Six.

All show signs of owners getting fed up with emptying their wallets on something that just isn't catching on.

Like he did four years ago, Bloom didn't mind going out on a limb with a bottom-line prediction.

"I would think you would see Phoenix and Atlanta move at the same time, within the next two years," he said. "I'm thinking sweet justice: the Jets return to Winnipeg, via the Coyotes."

I don't know about that.

The Bloom may be off that rose, if you know what I mean.

But it sure is interesting to hear the NHL talk positively about Winnipeg, 13 years after the fact.

Is Winnipeg that positive about the NHL?

We may find out soon enough.

Contact Paul at [email protected] or 632-2788.

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BLOOM'S FAB FIVE

Analyst Howard Bloom's Top-5 Candidates for NHL Relocation

1. Winnipeg -- has the rink, and the fans.

1A. Quebec City -- if it gets a new arena.

3. Hamilton -- too lucrative a market to pass up.

4. Seattle -- lost its NBA team.

5. Hartford -- they've done it before, too.

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I believe the announced crown in Phoenix last night was 9,300 or something like that. They estimate it was more like 6,000 in the stands though. I wonder how long the NHL is really going to keep floating this team.
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Still can't believe the colossal error that was lack of seating capacity at the MTS Centre, did no one in Winnipeg even remotely consider that the NHL might one day come back to this city.
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Still can't believe the colossal error that was lack of seating capacity at the MTS Centre, did no one in Winnipeg even remotely consider that the NHL might one day come back to this city.



http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/st..._hockey_091016/20091016?hub=TopStoriesV2

I bet Quebec City's new arena will be bigger and better and once again we have more competition.
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I bet Quebec City's new arena will be bigger and better and once again we have more competition.

I bet it will be 3 to 4 years before there is a suitable arena in Quebec City at the earliest.
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Old Posted Oct 16, 2009, 5:36 PM
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I believe the announced crown in Phoenix last night was 9,300 or something like that. They estimate it was more like 6,000 in the stands though. I wonder how long the NHL is really going to keep floating this team.
Actually they annouced 6600 .. but media observers estimated it was closer to 5000. The team is a complete lame duck franchise and will lose well over 30 million this year.
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phoenix is also giving away alot of free goodies for those few fans who do show up so that means the real die -hards are probably closer to 2-3000 fans. Also i read somewhere that in some southern nhl u.s cities the CFL draws better ratings than nhl games in places like atlanta, raleigh ect.. and it was by a pretty large margin too!
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Actually they annouced 6600 .. but media observers estimated it was closer to 5000. The team is a complete lame duck franchise and will lose well over 30 million this year.
I would guess the losses will be even higher, especially if they only get 5000 paying customers (can we call them fans?). I sure all revenues will be down this year. If nobody is watching, why advertise with them. Maybe beer sales to depressed "fans" will increase 2567% and offset some of the other losses.

That being said, who ends up paying for the losses? The NHL? Not really, it is the owners that make money that will have to foot the bill. First and foremost will be the Toronto Maple Leafs, probably on the hook for close to 15-20% as the Leafs account for 15-20% of NHL revenue. The irony! The cost of keeping a team in Phoenix will probably cost more to the Maple Leafs than having a team in Hamilton (disregarding the fact that a team in Hamilton would probably have a positive impact on the Leafs).
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phoenix is also giving away alot of free goodies for those few fans who do show up so that means the real die -hards are probably closer to 2-3000 fans. Also i read somewhere that in some southern nhl u.s cities the CFL draws better ratings than nhl games in places like atlanta, raleigh ect.. and it was by a pretty large margin too!
I understand the Coyotes do not have a TV contract.
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Still can't believe the colossal error that was lack of seating capacity at the MTS Centre, did no one in Winnipeg even remotely consider that the NHL might one day come back to this city.
They did consider that, which is why the capacity is 15,000 rather than the more economically sensible 12,000 that was originally planned. Those extra seats generate very little revenue in comparison with the cost of building and maintaining them. To go significantly beyond 15,000 seats would be to put the building into another league in terms of size and cost, with a tiny payback in increased revenue. Realistically, even in the unlikely event that the NHL did return to Winnipeg, it's doubtful how many seats beyond the 15,000 would sell on a regular basis. So you'd really have to plan for a viable franchise with a 14-15,000 average attendance anyway, no matter what the size of the arena.
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Both Winnipeg and Quebec City deserves THEIR teams back. Today Quebec's mayor annonced that a new arena will be a priority for his city. He went to New York and met Buttman, both guys agreed that Quebec deserve a team but we need the new arena first. Moving a team in a city that doesn't have proper installation (NHL standard) is not expected to happen anytime soon.

My question to you Winnipeggers : It is possible for MTS to expand their arena to meet NHL standards and why did they choose to build a 15k arena in the first place ?
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The owner of the manitoba moose makes a killing filling the 15,000 seat arena and selling tickets at near nhl ticket prices for whl leagues players. If the arena could support an NHL team, and one comes, the support wont be there for the moose, and he loses out. Why doesn't he just buy an NHL franchaise? He wont make as much money, even if a bigger arena was built... paying those high salaries etc... Having a smaller arena prevents the NHL from coming in, and keeps the cash coming for the moose...
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Both Winnipeg and Quebec City deserves THEIR teams back. Today Quebec's mayor annonced that a new arena will be a priority for his city. He went to New York and met Buttman, both guys agreed that Quebec deserve a team but we need the new arena first. Moving a team in a city that doesn't have proper installation (NHL standard) is not expected to happen anytime soon.

My question to you Winnipeggers : It is possible for MTS to expand their arena to meet NHL standards and why did they choose to build a 15k arena in the first place ?
The configuration would suck if it was expanded. And it was built this way because Winnipeg lacks leadership and money.
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