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Old Posted Sep 21, 2009, 11:17 PM
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Haha. Check out that wikipedia link, scroll down, and check out "Spinny" the Spinnaker Tower Mascot.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 12:17 AM
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I still think we need to take the "before" picture and put Godzilla in there next to Maritime Center to make an accurate version of what the HT is trying to illustrate.
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The Sunday Herald had a view that looked like it would be from the ramparts and included the effect the Nova Centre would have; fairly significant... JET
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The Sunday Herald had a view that looked like it would be from the ramparts and included the effect the Nova Centre would have; fairly significant... JET
The image in the Herald was contributed by Save The View/Beverly Miller, and is not from the ramparts but from the road in front of the entrance. It is only one view; does not protrude into any of the historic, and EXPLICITLY protected, views; and is dubious in it's accuracy.

Would the Nova Centre be a significant change? Yes. For the better? I'm not so sure... but not because of the size, I just don't like it... but my personal taste is not enough to mean that a legitimate project that fits the planning guidelines.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 8:39 PM
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Would the Nova Centre be a significant change? Yes. For the better? I'm not so sure... but not because of the size, I just don't like it... but my personal taste is not enough to mean that a legitimate project that fits the planning guidelines.
The thing is, if you don't like the look of it, you should complain about the design and maybe it will be changed since it's still early in the process. It's entirely possible that, if this is built, it will look very little like the original rendering. The fact that the colours are ugly or the cladding is not the best kind doesn't imply that Halifax shouldn't have a new convention centre.

Bev Miller and some of the others appear to have a problem with the city changing and with historic buildings being left in disrepair and being demolished. Change will happen whether they like it or not and this is not the way to protect heritage buildings; the best way would be to have more new development and leverage the additional demand/activity/money that it brings. They are misguided and are not being totally honest when they go on about how buildings should be three storeys so they can have their own little solar panels etc.

The biggest symptom of this intellectual dishonesty is that most of these arguments are either very shaky, totally irrelevant, or just wrong. I don't believe this group is stupid, I believe that they are working backwards, desperately trying to find arguments to fit their ideology rather than first looking at the facts and then coming up with a position that is realistic and good for the city.
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Province, HRM Announce Next Phase of Convention Centre Proposal
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The province and Halifax Regional Municipality have invited the Rank Group to submit a detailed proposal to develop a new convention centre in Halifax.

"Development of a new convention centre is a major undertaking for both HRM and province," said Bill Estabrooks, Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure Renewal. "We are taking a measured approach to ensure this is the right project and one that Nova Scotians can afford.

"This is an important step forward in that process and will provide the proposed project details we need to make an informed decision."

The Rank Group was selected as the preferred proponent earlier this year through an expression of interest process. A joint team from the province and HRM has developed detailed project requirements for the new convention centre for the request for proposal. In its proposal, Rank will be required to outline a design and facility management plan, financing plan, and price.

"I am pleased that we are taking this positive step together toward the development of a new convention centre that will assist in driving the economy of this region, and indeed, the province," said Peter Kelly, Mayor of the Halifax Regional Municipality. "We have shared interest in ensuring we have a solid proposal that balances affordability with the ability to attract larger conferences to the region."

The proposal is due in February. The province and HRM have hired a consultant to prepare an independent detailed cost estimate to compare with the Rank proposal. The information gathered through both proposals will be used to make a final decision on whether the project will proceed.

The convention centre project, as proposed, fully conforms with the view planes and Citadel ramparts view protection under HRM planning regulations as they have existed for more than 30 years, and does not violate any other existing municipal polices or regulations regarding view planes.

"We will not be part of any project that impinges on protected view planes," said Mr. Estabrooks.

As the proposals are being developed, detailed estimates of economic benefits will be prepared and discussions will continue among all three levels of government about cost sharing for the project. Similar projects in other parts of the country have cost between $100 million and $200 million.

A final decision on whether a new convention centre will be constructed in Halifax is not expected until after March.
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2009, 1:56 PM
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Just what Ramia wanted

By ROGER TAYLOR Business Columnist
Fri. Oct 2 - 4:46 AM



IT MAY not have been the declaration everyone has been waiting for, but the developer behind a proposed new convention centre in downtown Halifax says a government request Thursday for more detail was just what he wanted.

Joe Ramia would not have been able to proceed with plans for building a new convention centre unless he received the 500-page request for proposal released by the NDP government after its weekly cabinet meeting.

The proposal requires Rank Inc. to develop a design and facility management plan based on what the government has indicated it wants included, financing for the project and the price.

It has been suggested that the price for a new convention centre could be in the range of $100 million to $200 million, but it all depends on what the government says it wants.

The existing World Trade and Convention Centre facilities have been deemed by trade centre officials to be inadequate for many organizations interested in holding meetings in Halifax, resulting in about 80 per cent of potential convention business seeking accommodations elsewhere.

If a new convention centre is built, it’s proposed that it would be capable of handling more than 2,000 people in its convention hall and, with a major exhibit hall, would qualify to host conventions that are not coming to this region.

The whole Nova Centre Global Trade and Finance project, which also includes private-sector plans for a hotel with residential units, retail complex and financial centre office tower, is projected to cost more than $300 million to build.

Demolition of the former Herald building on Argyle Street and the former home of the Midtown Tavern on Grafton Street should begin this month. Once demolition is completed, Rank may decide to proceed immediately with excavation based on the fact that something will be built on the site, whether or not the convention centre goes as planned.

The plan is to begin pouring concrete in 2010. It should take about three years to complete all aspects of the project.

"The beauty about this project is that it brings thousands of people to downtown, whether there is a convention or not," Ramia, the lead investor in Rank, told me Thursday.

Convention centres in other cities have traditionally been crowded when a convention is in town but a dead zone when there is a lull in business. Ramia says the mixed-use design of the Nova Centre aims to make it a hot spot whether or not there is a convention.

Although most people seem to be enthusiastic about a major new development in the downtown, there are also opponents to Rank’s plan, based on concerns about heritage and maintaining views from Citadel Hill.

Rank insists, however, that it meets all the view plane requirements from Citadel Hill. In fact, the 1970 view plane legislation, aimed at protecting the view of the harbour from the Citadel ramparts, has been included in the city’s new HRM by Design development plan.

Ramia says a strong Halifax is a key economic element for the province and improving the downtown is critical to creating a stronger Halifax. He said the announcement Thursday will provide a much-needed spark for the downtown district, which should have a long-lasting economic impact on the city and the province once construction begins.

The provincial government has given Rank until February to provide the details it wants, and a decision on whether to proceed with the convention centre will be made in March. It is expected the developer and government officials will be negotiating over the details before they are presented to cabinet for a decision.

It will be a surprise if the convention centre isn’t built. The key will probably be Rank’s ability to negotiate an acceptable price tag.

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what Roger does not mention, is that the provence is seeking a "shadow bid"
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A shadow bid?!
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2009, 8:14 PM
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A shadow bid?!
A Shadow bid is conducted by a third party seperate from the developer. The results of the Shadow Bid will be use to confirm that the developers numbers are correct and vaild. This process usually ends up in delays however.

Sad thing is that this is far from a done deal, and in my opinionthe writing is on the wall that it could be squashed altogther come spring.

Time will tell.
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Old Posted Oct 12, 2009, 7:35 AM
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I've been told that if Dex and crew screw this up, Ramia will simply revert back to his original plans for the site. So either way it is win-win and a good piece of city building, adding much needed retail at grade, class-A and residential density

I can hear Bev miller now.....What?!! People living Downtown?!! that will ruin the Historic Parking Lots!!
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Tower critics send postcards to legislature

By JEFFREY SIMPSON Provincial Reporter
Wed. Oct 14 - 4:46 AM
A group comprised mostly of Halifax residents opposed to highrise buildings downtown used postcards Tuesday to send a message to Province House.

The Coalition to Save the View, which consists largely of several advocacy groups with an overlapping membership, had almost 800 postcards signed by people against the two towers of a proposed convention centre in downtown Halifax.

Peter Delefes, who heads the Heritage Trust, said the province shouldn’t help fund the development if its 14- and 18-storey towers are going to block part of a view of Halifax Harbour from Citadel Hill. "We have serious concerns about that," Mr. Delefes said.

He’s concerned about changes in the land-use bylaw under HRM by Design, which was brought to the legislature Tuesday. The towers wouldn’t contravene rules protecting view planes from the hill, he acknowledged, but would block part of the view.

The group said 69 per cent of people who signed a card were from Halifax and 22 per cent were from outside Nova Scotia.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2009, 2:09 PM
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I was really happy to see how that little "Weekly News" supplement reported on the Nova Centre this week. It was only a small little piece about the request to go forward with a proposal, but at the end they made a point of saying that the proposal did not violate any view planes or any municipal planning bylaws, and they gave not a work on the heritage front. Funny that a little rag like that can give a fairer assessment than The Chronicaly Horrible.
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Old Posted Oct 14, 2009, 3:33 PM
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By JEFFREY SIMPSON Provincial Reporter
Wed. Oct 14 - 4:46 AM
A group comprised mostly of Halifax residents opposed to highrise buildings downtown used postcards Tuesday to send a message to Province House.

The Coalition to Save the View, which consists largely of several advocacy groups with an overlapping membership, had almost 800 postcards signed by people against the two towers of a proposed convention centre in downtown Halifax.

Peter Delefes, who heads the Heritage Trust, said the province shouldn’t help fund the development if its 14- and 18-storey towers are going to block part of a view of Halifax Harbour from Citadel Hill. "We have serious concerns about that," Mr. Delefes said.

He’s concerned about changes in the land-use bylaw under HRM by Design, which was brought to the legislature Tuesday. The towers wouldn’t contravene rules protecting view planes from the hill, he acknowledged, but would block part of the view.

The group said 69 per cent of people who signed a card were from Halifax and 22 per cent were from outside Nova Scotia.
It would be nice to see a similar campaign from those in favour of the project...
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The towers wouldn’t contravene rules protecting view planes from the hill, he acknowledged, but would block part of the view.
What a contradiction... in the same sentence no less.

We wouldn't have a city if "blocking part of the view" was an issue.
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Why are people even fighting this? If it doesn't fall under a view plane, that should be end of story and it should just simply be built. The heritage advocates should be happy with the current viewplane regulations, because to be honest I think their too generous as it is.
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Why are people even fighting this? If it doesn't fall under a view plane, that should be end of story and it should just simply be built. The heritage advocates should be happy with the current viewplane regulations, because to be honest I think their too generous as it is.
They fight against it because they fight against everything. The view planes are not enough for them. Compromise is not in their vocabulary. That's how it always is with religious groups.
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There is one phrase that we need someone to say at the next meeting thing for the application of a highrise.

And that is... Are you ready for it?

Want to be remembered for the great architectural work that we did? Or having nothing to your generations name because you saved crap.

But like seriously, you would rather have a friggen parking lot than a place where people would use.

I really hate society has a whole. Things would be much better if I ruled the world.

People bug me to say the least.

Specially theses heritage nuts. There are some buildings that I think are great that we should save. But please invest in these buildings and not just let the brickwork degrade. Some of the smaller buildings on Barrington bring this to mind, like before the TD tower there are some nice small buildings there. But wanting to save everything that is over 40 years old is a bit redic in my opinion.

If I ever went to one of these council open things, I'd be kicked out in a heart beat...
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2009, 7:43 PM
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I drove by today and noticed workers taking off the concrete wall paneling on the South West corner, leaving just the structural steel frame. Must be issues with asbestos as they were in full Tyvex suits. Its nice to see things rolling here though.
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That is good news, the longest journey begins with the first step.
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