Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed

[Zassk]

Originally Posted by cabotp

Without trains switching tracks I currently do not see a way that someone from Surrey can get to Coquitlam without at least 2 transfers.

If they travel from Surrey all the way to Broadway and Commercial, they can then get to Coquitlam in one transfer.

[tybuilding]

Wouldn't you have 3 service routes?

Waterfront -> Columbia -> King George
Waterfront -> Columbia -> VCC
Coquitlam -> Lougheed -> VCC

Originally Posted by BCPhil

Yes, it will take 2 transfers to get from Surrey to Coquitlam. But with a shuttle train, it will take 2 transfers to do everything.

Right now, getting to SFU from Surrey is a 1 transfer trip; with short turned trains or shuttles, it will be 2 transfers (not counting the buses of course). Metrotown to SFU is 0 transfer; with a short turned train 1, and with a shuttle 2.

People complained when we added 1 transfer from bus to Canada Line for the suburban routes. How do you think people will react if we add 2 transfers for a trip that used to be 0? And you can't use the answer it will be faster for most.

[Kwik-E-Mart]

So there is no OMC in the plans anymore for the Evergreen Line?

[Spork]

Originally Posted by Kwik-E-Mart

So there is no OMC in the plans anymore for the Evergreen Line?

Exactly what I was going to ask. What about when the UBC line gets built (SkyTrain likely at this point?)? For sure they will need a new OMC to take all of those cars. Maybe they are looking to buy the old Bombardier factory and use that property/building as an OMC expansion?

[cabotp]

Originally Posted by Zassk

If they travel from Surrey all the way to Broadway and Commercial, they can then get to Coquitlam in one transfer.

True, but they must love wasting time going the long way around.

[metroXpress]

Originally Posted by Spork

Exactly what I was going to ask. What about when the UBC line gets built (SkyTrain likely at this point?)? For sure they will need a new OMC to take all of those cars. Maybe they are looking to buy the old Bombardier factory and use that property/building as an OMC expansion?

This has been discussed. Check back in the thread.

* an new OMC be needed to handle the fleet expansion.

[Kwik-E-Mart]

Originally Posted by Allen

This has been discussed. Check back in the thread.

* an new OMC be needed to handle the fleet expansion.

I just don't see it in the discussion guide on the Evergreen Line, hence the question. Maybe they are thinking about expanding the current one in Edmonds afterall.

[GeeCee]

There really isn't any room for an OMC along the Evergreen Line route, so that's probably why it doesn't appear in the discussion guide. Maybe it'll be located somewhere else? Perhaps they can convert the ill-conceived underground UBC bus loop to an OMC once they realize how much of a disaster it's going to be.

[Kwik-E-Mart]

Looks like the OMC is now an option instead of a requirement according to the Application Info Requirements submitted to MOE a little earlier.

2.9 Ancillary Facilities
Anticipated ancillary facilities required to complete the Project include a Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM) works and staging area (located at the North end of the tunnel, at the East side of Barnett Highway in the vicinity of the former Andres Wines site, Reichold Chemicals, and North Schoolhouse Creek), traction power substations, a Vehicle Storage Facility (if required for the Project), a potential pre-cast yard, construction lay down areas, construction access roads, park and ride facilities, and bus loops.

[Metro-One]

Could they not add a new OMC anywhere on the M-Line though? It does not have to be on the Evergreen Line stretch does it? A new OMC near VCC would be a good place for one, as it would give us greater cause to continue the M-Line as skytrain west while adding a new OMC in an already industrial area.

Also, I hope everyone here has filled out the comment forms for the Evergreen Line. I just did mine, my biggest comments were to keep it skytrain (no LRT), to build 80m stations and to add another station at Lincoln in Coquitlam, for that is the busiest part of Coquitlam Center.

[mr.x]

Originally Posted by GeeCee

There really isn't any room for an OMC along the Evergreen Line route, so that's probably why it doesn't appear in the discussion guide. Maybe it'll be located somewhere else? Perhaps they can convert the ill-conceived underground UBC bus loop to an OMC once they realize how much of a disaster it's going to be.

Couldn't they use the same site as the Evergreen LRT OMC proposal? (edit: oh right, they're now building it along the tracks...nevermind)

The Evergreen and additional passengers from increased service on the Millennium Line is going to add quite a bit more passengers to the system, and i would imagine they'll probably buy at least 40 Mark II car....but there won't be any space to put them with Edmonds at capacity.


A storage yard at VCC could work, with the guideway being already relatively low and with the location being industrial.

[nname]

Originally Posted by mr.x

A storage yard at VCC could work, with the guideway being already relatively low and with the location being industrial.

We're still 48 cars away from making the entire fleet 4-cars MKII and 6-cars MKI, and the Evergreen line would also require an increased of capacity on the Millennium Line, so the minimum case (from RTM) would require 60 cars. So around 108 cars in total by 2020 (before UBC Line).

[Millennium2002]

I'm sort of curious as to whether if they need more yard space or more workshop space. =O
If they need more yard space there's plenty of unused areas around the yard, especially to the west of the main tracks. For workshop space, however, that's different... they'll need to put it somewhere else unfortunately or expand the current yard after expanding the tracks elsewhere.

BTW... the rail companies will not like squishing an OMC when they don't have a lot of yard space left to begin with. = \ This is of course stalling the Whitecaps stadium atm.

[hollywoodnorth]

I think the land in the VCC area is too $$$. I would imagine a yard in Surrey when that expansion takes place. And an expansion of the Maintenance facilities at the Edmonds Yard..

[BCPhil]

Much earlier I said if they built the line down Guildford Way, then head South past Coquitlam Center so you could go into PoCo without a spur, then you could build the OMC on the Translink Property there in Port Coquitlam near the WCE station. The bus facility could be moved somewhere else.

The benefit would be that the OMC would be at the end of the line, or close to it depending how far into PoCo you want to go, so trains wouldn't have to travel large lengths of the line out of service. Trains could be taken out of service at the Terminus then drive straight into the OMC, and vice versa for when entering service.

If that is not in the cards, there is plenty of wasted space between Ioco and Mariner next to Barnet that could be bought for an OMC.

[nname]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

If that is not in the cards, there is plenty of wasted space between Ioco and Mariner next to Barnet that could be bought for an OMC.

That was the original plan for Evergreen LRT. I'm not sure if they're still building it there.

As for OMC in PoCo, I don't think it would be a good idea to move the bus facility since I read somewhere during the CNG vs diesel bus era that relocating the facility cost a few millions? And it seems a bit small too... There are plenty of space in PoCo that's suitable for OMC, like the space between Lougheed and Mary Hill Bypass, or the empty space by Pitt River... Large enough for UBC, Evergreen, Millennium, and Surrey expansion...

[Mininari]

Unfortunately I don't have a link for this, but here goes:

Some imbecile actually wrote a "letter to the editor" decrying our investments in "light metro." This person went on to say ridiculous things like skytrain doesn't have the ridership (incenuating doesn't have the ridership EVER) to support its use.

This is an open message to ANYONE else out there who believes this crap: Come ride the millenium line with me tomorrow at 7:30am. Come on down... and oh, wait, thats not even the BUSY line that necessitates expansion (expo line).

Where do these crackpots come from?
Again, sorry I don't have a link to this letter, but it doesn't really matter -- I'm just flabbergasted that we have people around here who believe that any investment in rapid transit is a waste of money.

[metroXpress]

What about the land near Sapperton Station?

[DKaz]

Originally Posted by Mininari

This is an open message to ANYONE else out there who believes this crap: Come ride the millenium line with me tomorrow at 7:30am. Come on down... and oh, wait, thats not even the BUSY line that necessitates expansion (expo line).

This was my Facebook status as I was on the Millennium Line between Braid and Lougheed along Hwy 1, squished like a sardine on my train:

Originally Posted by DKazzed

The empty freeway looks inviting from this overcrowded train, seriously just a few cars heading downtown.

[officedweller]

Originally Posted by nname

That was the original plan for Evergreen LRT. I'm not sure if they're still building it there.

I think that was also the location for the PMC Line storage yard too (along Barnet near Falcon Drive).

Remember that the facility will just be a storage yard - not an operations and maintenance centre - cars will still be moved down to Edmonds for maintenance and controlled from the Edmonds control centre. We're just talking about extra storage tracks.