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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 5:58 PM
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I was thinking of just the leafs. Everyone knows at least 5 people who hate them, it would be a message that would resonate with people across Hamilton, the GTA and the country.

I don't think it is good enough to just sit back and cheer on Jim.

Remember when people against fur coats would spray paint any coats they saw in public? how about that with leaf jerseys? It worked with fur coats...

There has to be a movement of dissatisfaction somewhere. If comments from the coyotes news articles are any indication, the sentiment is there.

NHL history shows that you can't get much by waiting and hoping.
You'd alienate a large fan base doing that. Hamilton has a lot of Leaf fans.
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 8:22 PM
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In my opinion, there's no way a dissatisfaction campaign would make even a dent in the Leafs. There's too long of a lineup waiting to get tickets.
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Jobing.com arena in the exhibition opener last week:

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It's hard to tell. Was the game actually started when this video was taken? Because if it was, then that is REALLY sad.
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It's hard to tell. Was the game actually started when this video was taken? Because if it was, then that is REALLY sad.
I don't think it was. The official number for the game was 3000 people. The lower bowl should be more full than that (but it's still an incredibly sad figure for an NHL team).
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 10:02 PM
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Moyes to make public pitch on Coyotes

Phoenix Business Journal - by Mike Sunnucks
http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/09/21/daily33.html

Phoenix Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes will be at the Glendale City Council meeting Tuesday night to make a public push for the Phoenix suburb to take a $50 million offer from Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie.

Balsillie wants to buy the team, which is in Chapter 11 bankruptcy, for $243 million and move it to Hamilton, Ontario. The city of Glendale opposes that deal and could file a $500 million claim over the Coyotes breaking their lease at the city-built and -owned Jobing.com Arena.

U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Redfield Baum is determining how big a claim Glendale might have if the Coyotes are moved and whether any caps apply.

Balsillie has offered the city $50 million to forgo its claim, and now is offering $25 million no matter what happens with Baum’s decision.

Glendale backs a $140 million offer from the National Hockey League to buy the Coyotes. The NHL then would find a new owner who would keep them in Arizona.

Moyes will ask Glendale to reconsider Balsillie’s offer. The city turned down a previous offer by the Canadian businessman.

Moyes is positioned to get more money out of the Balsillie offer than the NHL bid for the Coyotes.
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I don't think it was. The official number for the game was 3000 people. The lower bowl should be more full than that (but it's still an incredibly sad figure for an NHL team).
On the Coyotes boards they were saying that there was no more than 1,500 in the seats. The 3,000 figure is the amount of tickets distributed I think.
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On the Coyotes boards they were saying that there was no more than 1,500 in the seats. The 3,000 figure is the amount of tickets distributed I think.
What a joke. We had 700+ show up to watch the Kitchener Rangers practice at the beginning of training camp this year. Of course admission is free but it was in August and it's for an OHL team that missed the play offs last spring.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 1:44 PM
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I was thinking of just the leafs. Everyone knows at least 5 people who hate them, it would be a message that would resonate with people across Hamilton, the GTA and the country.

I don't think it is good enough to just sit back and cheer on Jim.

Remember when people against fur coats would spray paint any coats they saw in public? how about that with leaf jerseys? It worked with fur coats...

There has to be a movement of dissatisfaction somewhere. If comments from the coyotes news articles are any indication, the sentiment is there.

NHL history shows that you can't get much by waiting and hoping.
I think we should plan a massive bon fire and burn all the leaf parafanalia we can get our hands on.
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It will look like we're attacking the team and its fans. I say burn MLSE management and Bettman in effigy.
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 5:29 PM
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Ouch, but humourous. And illustrations!:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_da...e-2009-10-Phoenix-Coyotes?urn=nhl,191520

Any news on today's hearing? I heard it was at 10 a.m. and this is all I've found so far:

Jim Balsillie's lawyers have relented on idea of moving the Coyotes to Hamilton this year in hopes to encourage the case to go to mediation.
Jeffrey Kessler, one of Balsillie's lawyers, explained that on a conference call with Judge Redfield T. Baum this morning.
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Balsillie relents on moving Coyotes this year

http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id=2024560#ixzz0Rx4siPS3
Jim Balsillie's lawyers have relented on idea of moving the Coyotes to Hamilton this year in hopes to encourage the case to go to mediation.
Jeffrey Kessler, one of Balsillie's lawyers, explained that on a conference call with Judge Redfield T. Baum this morning.
More to follow.
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It will look like we're attacking the team and its fans. I say burn MLSE management and Bettman in effigy.
Does it have to be an effigy? Can't we just roast the real thing?
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Old Posted Sep 23, 2009, 6:11 PM
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Coyotes decision may go to mediation

September 23, 2009
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http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/640272

The Jim Balsillie/Phoenix Coyotes saga may be turned over to a mediator to settle.

Judge Redfield T. Baum of the Arizona Bankruptcy Court heard the various parties argue the mediation issue yesterday. But Baum reserved his decision on the request from lawyers representing the Coyotes to order the parties to mediation.

Baum gave no word when he will rule on the issue. But the judge appeared to be leaning in support of the mediation request.

Balsillie made three major concessions in his bid to secure the Coyotes. Balsillie is now willing to keep his offer on the table until Dec. 31 and would rescind it if the NHL is able to find local owners that would keep the team in Glendale by that time. If no Glendale buyers emerge Balsillie would buy it and relocate it to Hamilton for the 2010-2011 season.

Secondly Balsillie is now offering the City of Glendale $25 million win or lose. If he wins and is able to relocate, the Waterloo billionaire would offer the city another $25 million.

And finally, Balsillie won’t contest a NHL request for a stay in the proceedings should he be awarded the club. The stay would likely keep the club in Glendale until the NHL’s appeal could be heard.

The NHL, the City of Glendale and the committee for the unsecured creditors all opposed the mediation request, suggesting the delay is only continuing to harm the damaged Coyotes’ franchise.

The NHL season is set to open next week.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 11:13 AM
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Judge hints at mediator to end fight for Coyotes

September 24, 2009
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http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/640632

An Arizona bankruptcy court judge is strongly hinting he will hand the Jim Balsillie-Phoenix Coyotes saga to a mediator to resolve.

Judge Redfield T. Baum is mulling over the prospect of sending the matter to U.S. mediator Antonio Piazza after listening to legal arguments yesterday.

Balsillie, the Coyotes and team owner Jerry Moyes favour mediation. The National Hockey League, the City of Glendale and the committee for the creditors oppose it.

Balsillie also made three major bid concessions yesterday, including a commitment to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix this season and offering the City of Glendale a guaranteed $25 million for its support "win or lose." The city rejected the offer.

After five months of court hearings, Baum suggests mediation at least opens the door to the possibility of a final agreement that would end, once and for all, the increasingly bitter and personal court case.

"As I listen to all this and I think about it, the one thing I think mediation might provide to everybody is some kind of consensual resolution," Baum said in court.

"I think without mediation, it just won't happen," Baum said.

"I'm fairly confident that once I rule I don't think that will be the last stop in the legal journey. The one big thing you can say about mediation is that if everybody can agree, it's over. There is no more court hearing, there are no appeals, there's no motions to reconsider, it's resolved."

The judge went event further.

"If, and I emphasize that word, if, there is any chance that these matters can be resolved, it's going to have to be by people sitting down and talking to each other for a while to figure out if there is common ground."

The National Hockey League response to mediation was blunt.

"There is no prospect for settlement from the NHL perspective, none whatsoever," said league lawyer Alan Meda, adding the NHL will appeal any decision to put the Coyotes in the hands of Balsillie.

Meda noted the season begins next week, but the Coyotes are floundering over the uncertainty.

"That's killing this team," said Meda, adding the Coyotes can't sell tickets or ads and are losing staff.

But Baum chided Meda for suggesting the circumstances had not changed.

"In fairness, PSE has made a significant monetary offer to the City of Glendale. At least to an old bankruptcy judge, $25 million cash today no matter what happens is a lot of money. It seems to be in that sense things have changed."

Balsillie is now willing to keep his offer on the table until the Dec. 31 deadline the NHL has set to find owners who would keep the Coyotes in Glendale. Should those owners be found by that time, Balsillie would rescind his bid. But if not, the Balsillie offer would proceed and he would relocate the club to Hamilton for the 2010-11 season.

Baum made special note of the timing, calling the change significant.

"The Phoenix Coyotes are going to play the 2009-2010 season in Glendale, is that correct?" he asked.

Balsillie lawyer Jeffrey Kessler said his client might consider moving the club during the two-week Olympic break in February but probably wouldn't.

"I believe that as a practical matter that if we want to get this done we would be willing to say that the team would stay here this year, that's correct," Kessler said.

Secondly, Balsillie is now saying that of the $50 million US he is offering the City of Glendale, it would give $25 million US to the city -- win or lose -- in return for its support.

And finally Balsillie won't contest an NHL request for a stay in the proceedings should he be awarded the club. The stay would likely keep the club in Glendale until the NHL's appeal could be heard.

Baum wanted Glendale solicitor William Baldiga to be clear about what the city was turning down by rejecting the latest Balsillie overture.

"It sounds like they are offering your client $25 million under certain conditions whether they ultimately win or lose the battle that has been submitted to this court."

Baldiga said Glendale believes if PSE prevails it would receive more than $50 million US for its claims.

"It's not an increase in our minds of what the city would get," he said.

Glendale has suggested the cost of losing its major tenant at the city-owned Jobing.com Arena could amount to as much as $500 million US.

Baum, who heard final arguments on the case Sept. 11 and had been expected to deliver a ruling this week, has previously promised the parties he would decide the fate of the Coyotes by the start of the NHL season Oct. 1.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 3:49 PM
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=292399

A major announcement addressing Wayne Gretzky's future in Phoenix is expected within the hour.

Gretzky, who joined the Coyotes as a managing partner in 2000, was named head coach of the club in August of 2005 and signed a five-year contract to continue to serve as part owner, managing partner, alternate governor and head coach the following year.

The Coyotes have never made the playoffs during their four seasons with Gretzky behind the bench so far. From 2005-06 to 2008-09, he had a 143-161-24 record for a .473 winning percentage.

This developing story comes as Judge Redfield T. Baum continues to mull over a decision on the fate of the NHL franchise. On Wednesday, lawyers representing Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie strengthened their case for the team, saying Balsillie has pledged to keep it in Glendale this season if he wins an auction for the financially troubled club.

Gretzky has been absent since the start of Coyotes training camp last week and a team spokesman said Gretzky won't participate until his contractual situation is resolved. Interim coach Ulf Samuelsson has taken over and the club has also hired veteran coach Dave King as an assist
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Gretzky steps down as Coyotes coach
By CBC Sports

Wayne Gretzky has announced he's stepping down as head coach of the troubled Phoenix Coyotes, as the future of the franchise remains in doubt.

Wayne Gretzky announced Thursday he's stepping down as head coach of the troubled Phoenix Coyotes, as the future of the franchise remains in doubt.

Gretzky's relationship with the club was up in the air while Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie and the NHL battle over ownership of the franchise in Arizona bankruptcy court. This has thrown Gretzky's yearly $8.5 million US salary up in the air.

"This was a difficult decision that I've thought long and hard about," said Gretzky in a release. "Since both remaining bidders have made it clear that I don't fit into their future plans, I approached general manger Don Maloney and suggested he begin looking for someone to replace me as coach."
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2009, 2:50 AM
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Noticed this today in the Spec, somewhat related:

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Cherry faced a barrage of questions about the Manitoba capital's chances of regaining an NHL franchise following the departure of the Jets to Phoenix in 1996.

"This city will be the first city that, when one of those junk teams from Florida and that can't draw (crowds), this will be the place they'll come, I guarantee it," he said. "They're not going to go to Hamilton because they're saving that for an expansion team for about $400 million."
If Balsillie doesn`t get the Coyotes, I hope you`re right, Don....
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Phoenix Coyotes fate could be decided by Friday
http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2009/09/28/daily43.html

Lawyers and officials involved in the Phoenix Coyotes’ five-month-old Chapter 11 bankruptcy saga expect to see a ruling before the start of the new National Hockey League season this weekend.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Redfield T. Baum previously said he would decide before the season starts whether the Coyotes are sold to Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie or the NHL. Several sources familiar with the case expect the ruling to come in the next two days.

The NHL wants to buy the team for $140 million, bring it out of bankruptcy and sell it to a new owner who will keep the Coyotes in Glendale. Balsillie wants to buy to Coyotes for $243 million and move the team Hamilton, Ontario.

The Coyotes case has dragged on since May when owner Jerry Moyes put the team into Chapter 11 reorganization and announced Balsillie’s bid.

The NHL and city of Glendale, where the Coyotes play, oppose that deal pitting Balsillie against NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman with Moyes and the city of Glendale also in the fray.

Baum held an auction hearing Sept. 10 and 11. The losing side is expected to appeal his ruling in the complicated matter.

The Coyotes start their regular season Saturday at the Los Angeles Kings.
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