Mobile Development Thread - Page 226

SouthSky · #**4501** Posted **Sep 17, 2009, 9:37 PM**

Carnival Elation to replace Carnival Fantasy in Mobile starting May 2010.

Link - Mobile Press-Register

NitekKetin · #**4502** Posted **Sep 17, 2009, 9:43 PM**

Now if there were a package that allowed a multi-night stay at the Battle House followed by a multi-week trip throughout the Caribean.

Bayside · #**4503** Posted **Sep 18, 2009, 3:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by HSVTiger

Have to give Shelby credit ..all the major state universities will have new big engineering buildings named after him.UAH's 200,000sq ft version.

Yup - here is the one at Auburn:

and Alabama:

SpawnOfVulcan · #**4504** Posted **Sep 18, 2009, 3:46 PM**

Of course, we can't forget UAB's:

Nelson Glass

Port_of_Bama · #**4505** Posted **Sep 18, 2009, 8:53 PM**

Shelby has some nice buildings named afetr him.

I was elated to see that Mobile will be a getting a much bigger and newer ship than the Fantacy and I feel that we deserve it !!!!

bayou15 · #**4506** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 4:00 AM**

Same size ship , cuz

nouveau_Mauvilla · #**4507** Posted **Sep 19, 2009, 3:43 PM**

The Elation will be bigger than the Holiday. But the Elation and the Fantasy are about the same size. We will be getting the Fantasy soon, but then in spring it will be replaced with the Elation.

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The 2,052-passenger Fantasy holds 42 percent more customers than the Holiday.

http://www.al.com/business/press-register/index.ssf?/base/business/1253281521130540.xml&coll=3

Port_of_Bama · #**4508** Posted **Sep 25, 2009, 7:51 PM**

Mobile experienced a slight GDP growth in 2008. This is good news for our area and when TK and the tanker comes on board along with supllyers I wonder how we will be ranked then.

http://www.al.com/news/press-register/metro.ssf?/base/news/1253870159189120.xml&coll=3

bayou15 · #**4509** Posted **Sep 25, 2009, 9:52 PM**

Mobile is not getting the proper "metro love"

That growth rate is only for the city. Compared to the other areas of the state( B-ham, hsv) which includes thier metro. That percentage should be much higher for Mobile !!! This also geauxs for the population count of the area. The metro should include eastern Jackson , George, and Greene Counties. Up to Atleast lower Wash. Co down to Point Clear. With that ,the metro should be around 550k. You can bet your sweet arse that Hoover is included with B-ham! on this gdp growth

| BRAVO | · #**4510** Posted **Sep 25, 2009, 11:44 PM**

Wouldn't Baldwin County be included in Mobile's Metro? I've always assumed Baldwin and Mobile go hand-in-hand.

Of course Hoover is included in Bham's numbers. We are part of Birmingham.

nouveau_Mauvilla · #**4511** Posted **Sep 26, 2009, 12:40 AM**

I think Mobile and Baldwin split a few years back. Could be wrong, though.

SpawnOfVulcan · #**4512** Posted **Sep 26, 2009, 12:54 AM**

They did split a few years back. Baldwin does not belong in Mobile's metro. The metro formations go by plain numbers, not culture. The purpose of metro areas is to show economic influence and the such, not to show the cultural and traditional bonds between areas.

For those reasons, Baldwin is not included. Of course Hoover's growth was included in Birmingham's growth numbers, this is because Hoover is in Jefferson county. Shelby is also included, because 25% or greater percent of the county's population commutes daily to Jefferson county.

Less than 25% percent of Baldwin county commutes daily to Mobile county, therefore, Baldwin is not a part of Mobile's metro area.

There are reasons for the county makeup of metro areas.

Port_of_Bama · #**4513** Posted **Sep 26, 2009, 2:18 AM**

Alabadrock: That less than 25 % is hard to believe given the most populated areas of the county is right acroos the bay.

As for metro Baldwin and Washington counties should be included which would be a little more than 610 K. For CSA parts of Jackson,Greene,and Geroge counties should be included as well. I know the city is pushing for population increas for the 2010 census but MSA and CSA numbers need to be looked at as well.

SpawnOfVulcan · #**4514** Posted **Sep 26, 2009, 2:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by Port_of_Bama

Alabadrock: That less than 25 % is hard to believe given the most populated areas of the county is right acroos the bay.

As for metro Baldwin and Washington counties should be included which would be a little more than 610 K. For CSA parts of Jackson,Greene,and Geroge counties should be included as well. I know the city is pushing for population increas for the 2010 census but MSA and CSA numbers need to be looked at as well.

It's not too hard to believe in my opinion... 25 percent of the population of Baldwin County is about 45,000 thousand, which is maybe 10 to 20 thousand less than the population of the Daphne and Spanish Fort urbanized area. Now, of those 55 to 65 thousand in that urbanized area, only about 45 to 50 thousand actually work. Most of them are going to work in Baldwin County, and about 20 to 25 thousand probably work in Mobile County, which if you look at traffic counts is pretty close to being correct.

Fact is, judging by the numbers that the government has compiled, less than 25% of Baldwin County works in Mobile County.

Want to know some other places that are like this? A good example would be the relationship that Madison and Morgan Counties have. Madison and Morgan Counties have much more of a relationship, culturally and traditionally, than Mobile and Baldwin Counties, yet, they are still separate (though that will probably change by the next census).

Another: Houston and Coffee Counties have a big relationship economically, culturally, and traditionally, yet they are not part of a single metro area.

Another: Jefferson and Cullman Counties have a big relationship economically, yet they also are not part of a single metro area.

Same with Calhoun/Talladega, Etowah/Cherokee, Calhoun/Etowah.

Eventually, Baldwin County will become part of Mobile's metro, as will Washington, and some others in the area. It's just that the number of people commuting to Mobile County hasn't hit that critical mass yet.

bayou15 · #**4515** Posted **Sep 26, 2009, 6:09 AM**

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Madison and Morgan Counties have much more of a relationship, culturally and traditionally, than Mobile and Baldwin Counties,

Culturally ,I would say 60 to 70 percent who live in Baldwin County are Mobilians. That's not counting down by the beaches.

From New Orleans to Pensacola Culturally we should be our own state. Traditionally we get treated like the stepchild. Which is anything south of the Dolly Parton.

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It's just that the number of people commuting to Mobile County hasn't hit that critical mass yet.

Hey brah , try cruising I-10(4 lanes only)from Mississippi to Mobile where I-65 meets during rush hour. ......O yeah i forgot , also that little strech of road we call the BAYWAY!!! I can't wait til that critical mass shows up ! haha:

SpawnOfVulcan · #**4516** Posted **Sep 26, 2009, 6:59 AM**

Have you ever travel on I-565 from Huntsville to Decatur? Where you have to sit in traffic for maybe an hour to move a mile? And that's not an exaggeration, I've done it multiple times. It's only 4 lanes. Oh yea, and it's just a highway, not a freeway or interstate, just a highway.

I don't see how Madison/Morgan and Mobile/Baldwin can really claim who has the strong relationship. I shouldn't have claimed that Madison/Morgan had a stronger bond.

Frankly, I don't understand your claim of my "fail." I was the one who presented facts and numbers, not disgruntled opinions. If you look at the traffic counts, presented by ALDOT, North Alabama has much more congestion. I've done the numbers myself, I did them literally a week ago for my Urban and Regional Transport Systems class...

Who are these 60 to 70 percent Mobilians that you're talking about. Some of my best friends are from the Daphne/Spanish Fort area, and none of them associate themselves with Mobile, while nearly everyone from my hometown (Decatur) associates themselves with Huntsville. So, really I would say that there is more of a bond.

Brah, I've done the math, tedious amounts of it, so much that it makes my head hurt. I love Mobile, it's the most beautiful city in the state, and I do mean that. Maybe I just understand the situation because Morgan County is in the same situation that Baldwin is in. I don't want Morgan to be devoured by Huntsville's MSA, so obviously I'm gonna take Baldwin's side.

There are specific criteria that a county has to follow to be considered a metro county, and Baldwin County plain and simple does not follow them at the moment. At the moment Daphne-Fairhope lead the Baldwin County economy, judging by the commuting patterns.

I would honestly love to see Baldwin be part of Mobile's MSA, and Washington, and the entire SE side of Miss, I really would. Why? Because what's good for Mobile is good for the state. But, again, Baldwin County doesn't fit the description of a metro county.

Despite these 117,000 people who all mysteriously came from Mobile, the fact remains that Baldwin County is not part of Mobile's metro, because less than 25% of the workforce of Baldwin commutes to Mobile County daily. I don't see how you can argue that, frankly, it's impossible unless you want to dispute the accuracy of the federal government's numbers.

So, since I have presented my case, and it needs no further presentation...

By the way, I don't like arguing and waring with fans of my own state. So, consider this my last post on the subject. Say what you will about me, attack me personally, I don't care. Just know, I'm not listening to your attacks anymore.

Port_of_Bama · #**4517** Posted **Sep 26, 2009, 6:36 PM**

Alabadrock: I see where you are coming from

I was riding by the 250 St.Francis Street Condo rendering sign today and noticed that 13 out of the 26 units are sold now.Five on the 1st floor and 8 on the 2nd.I wonder if they are looking for 80 % occupancy for it to be built ?

nouveau_Mauvilla · #**4518** Posted **Sep 26, 2009, 8:57 PM**

I just assumed they couldn't get the funding. Seems like it's been on the table for so long now.

WEMO · #**4519** Posted **Sep 29, 2009, 2:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Alabadrock

They did split a few years back. Baldwin does not belong in Mobile's metro. The metro formations go by plain numbers, not culture. The purpose of metro areas is to show economic influence and the such, not to show the cultural and traditional bonds between areas.

For those reasons, Baldwin is not included. Of course Hoover's growth was included in Birmingham's growth numbers, this is because Hoover is in Jefferson county. Shelby is also included, because 25% or greater percent of the county's population commutes daily to Jefferson county.

Less than 25% percent of Baldwin county commutes daily to Mobile county, therefore, Baldwin is not a part of Mobile's metro area.

There are reasons for the county makeup of metro areas.

Daphne and Fairhope are included, not all of baldwin.

SouthSky · #**4520** Posted **Sep 29, 2009, 3:10 PM**

I think we're put at a disadvantage because Baldwin county is the largest county in the state and among the top in the eastern US and that the population can be connected to metro areas or other smaller cities that are in fact closer than Mobile (thus no commuting). Think of eastern and southern Baldwin being closer to Pensacola and northern Baldwin being quite a good ways from Mobile.

I guess it all plays into the fact that Mobile is dead in the middle of the central Gulf Coast possible megalopolis that is cannibalizing metro population numbers and after combination blows out every metro in the area other than maybe Birmingham or New Orleans.

Mobile's Nielsen DMA is ~1.5 million... and that doesn't even include the Gulfport/Biloxi area.