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Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 2:14 AM
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This is why I knew the tower sections were not for either of the cranes on the Tower One site. This also applies to Tower 4 sense DCM is doing the erecting there too.

http://www.dcmerectors.com/tower-crane_video.htm run time is 6:22 and worth every second.

NOTE: you must allow the ActiveX add on to load in order to watch the video.
Isn't 4WTC supposed to get another internal tower crane soon?
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 2:22 AM
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Either that or a Manitowoc. The lobby's columns are also long and overweight for the tower crane, and they're setting up space for a crane either for the memorial pool or the tower.

Compared to 1WTC, they made Tower 4's crane exceptionally tall.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 12:43 PM
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Now that we are in this phase of construction, it's worth going back to look at just what is planned, specifically for the lower levels...

http://www.wtc.com/about/freedom-tower/freedom-tower-design

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Base

The tower rises from a cubic base whose square footprint - 200 feet by 200 feet - will be the same size as the footprints of the original Twin Towers. The base will be clad in more than 2,000 pieces of prismatic glass, each measuring 4 feet by 13 feet 4 inches, with varying depths. The design utilizes the optical properties of prismatic glass to reflect, refract, and transmit light in various spectrums, creating a dynamic, shimmering glass surface that drapes the tower's base. The prismatic glass was developed over the course of two years in conjunction with some of the world's top glass manufacturers, who worked with architects to find ways of constructing prismatic glass at a scale not formerly made.

Plaza

An architectural conception with precedents ranging from Bryant Park and the steps at the Metropolitan Museum to the base of Renaissance palazzos will allow the building to flow out into the plazas to create areas for people to gather, sit, relax, and reflect. Ribbons of stainless steel will cascade down from behind the prismatic glass façade of the base to form a series of step terraces that integrate the horizontal surfaces of the plaza into the vertical surface of the building. The terraces, made of textured stainless steel, will be shaded by a ring of trees that further humanizes the scale of the space. The plaza will be richly textured with small sets of granite cobblestones.

Generous open spaces will be filled with trees, water, and places of respite for tenants and the estimated 3 million annual visitors to the WTC site. Designed in collaboration with landscape architects Peter Walker and Partners, these areas will connect the tower with adjacent neighborhoods and allow views and access into the memorial. Glass walls at the plaza edges will provide protection from the wind. While incorporating enhanced security measures, the building will remain open and accessible.

Antenna

The antenna will consist of two major components: a 408-foot mast and a communications platform ring. The mast is a hybrid structure, consisting of a steel tower supporting the antennae and a special protective enclosure, called a radome, which will be transparent to radio waves. The steel tower will have eight sections stacked vertically and decreasing in width, while the radome enclosure will be formed of a modular, fiberglass composite sandwich panel system arranged in an octagonal antiprism. This folded-plate enclosure structure is the first of its kind to be used in antenna construction. The panels will work as simple plates in bending, as is the case for most cladding, but the folded-plate structure will exploit the spatial geometry and in-plane sheer stiffness of the ensemble of the panels to resist wind loading. The geometry of the radome shell is based on a repeating modular system that allows for easy replacement and erection and also creates a protected maintenance area that is unique in the antenna industry.

At the base of the mast, a tetrahedral lattice ring will support point-to-point microwave dishes, steerable Electronic News Gathering antennas, and pole-type radio communication antennas. To add more support against wind, eight radio-frequency (RF) transparent Kevlar guy cables will be connected from the mast back to the ring. Window-washing equipment will be incorporated into the antenna ring structure. Because of its circular shape, this design will make it possible to service the building with only three maintenance units. The ring and mast structures were created in conjunction with structural engineers from the Stuttgart firm of Schlaich Bergermann und Partner.

When lit at night, the mast's surface will appear as a faceted surface, while a beacon at the top will send out a horizontal light beam that can be seen from miles away.

Curtain Wall

For the curtain wall, architects worked with industry experts to develop glass of a new monumental scale that is capable of withstanding the wind pressure experienced by a super-tall building while also meeting stringent security requirements. The five-foot by 13-foot-four-inch insulated glass panels will span the full floor-to-floor height with no intermediate mullion - a first in skyscraper construction. These glass panels will allow for maximum daylighting and impart monumental scale to the project.

Lobbies

Entrances on all four sides of the buildings, each 60 feet high and ranging in width from 30 feet on the east and west sides to 50 feet on the north side and 70 feet on the south side, will activate the building at street level.

The west portal will provide entrance to both the lobby of the observation deck on the concourse level and the transportation infrastructure. Visits to the observation deck will begin with an extraordinary elevator ride. The "scenic" elevators will transport visitors vertically through a super-tall building, with the 1,300-foot ascent/decent taking approximately 50 seconds. The east portal will provide access for office tenants and restaurant patrons who will then ascend to the top of the building.

The north and south entrances, which will provide access for commercial office tenants, will be marked by an array of dichroic glass panels. These panels, composed of multiple layers of clear, etched and dichroic glass, will draw on the spectral qualities of light to create vibrant color patterns across the surfaces of the lobby. The design draws on the results of a year-long research project into the optical effects of dichroic glass in transmission and reflection.

The grand lobby will encircle the central core and be filled with natural light that will enter the space through the east and west entrances as well as through apertures in the north and south walls. This light-filled lobby will provide a setting for changing art exhibits of various mediums.
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 2:40 PM
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I've got a question on the West Plaza:

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That steel tubular structure that is behind and below the Manitowoc is a skylight that will be be within the fountain on the West Plaza, right? If that's correct than all that is needed to complete the plaza level concrete pours is the last corner, right behind the Manitowoc, right?

Or are they still pouring around the perimeter columns along Vesey Street as well?
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NYGuy - thanks for posting that.

One thing, the write-up said "while a beacon at the top will send out a horizontal light beam". In pictures, the beam was vertical. I'm interested in knowing what the directionality of this horizontal beam - e.g. multiple beams, one beam which rotates; I presume not in just one direction..... or could this be a typo?
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 5:05 PM
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A few updates to the info NYGuy posted.

The Twin towers had a column center to column center distance of 205' 7". Tower One measures 200' even, so Tower One is a little smaller.

The current design calls for four 6 inch Kevlar cables to support the mast against wind loads.

The light at the top of the mast is pointed straight up.

Everything else looks to be accurate.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 24, 2009, 6:04 PM
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I still can't believe the size of this site and the cranes! Nothing is small about this project at all! I just noticed the people in the bottom of the picture from 3 post up.
     
     
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I still can't believe the size of this site and the cranes! Nothing is small about this project at all! I just noticed the people in the bottom of the picture from 3 post up.


Well that's why the United States of America is what it is. You can knock down our buildings, but all we'll do is put them back up bigger and better than before.
     
     
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Well that's why the United States of America is what it is. You can knock down our buildings, but all we'll do is put them back up bigger and better than before.
Actually they are smaller and less numerous than before, so it isn't exactly the sort of statement of strength you imply.
     
     
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Actually they are smaller and less numerous than before, so it isn't exactly the sort of statement of strength you imply.
lol...that is funny! However, noone should doubt that this building is for all intents and purposes, better than the originals. I take it you were part of the "rebuild as was" crowd. I myself wasn't thrilled they didn't build but one, but now I quite like the complex currently under construction. I remember watching a movie called "Click" and they had a clip of new york with new twin towers which acatually looked quite cool.
     
     
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NYGuy - thanks for posting that.

One thing, the write-up said "while a beacon at the top will send out a horizontal light beam". In pictures, the beam was vertical. I'm interested in knowing what the directionality of this horizontal beam - e.g. multiple beams, one beam which rotates; I presume not in just one direction..... or could this be a typo?
I'd go for the rotating beam.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2009, 3:35 AM
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Actually they are smaller and less numerous than before, so it isn't exactly the sort of statement of strength you imply.
What? That doesn't even make any sense, there are multiple towers at the new WTC. But debate it over in the "new" WTC thread.


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NYGuy - thanks for posting that.

One thing, the write-up said "while a beacon at the top will send out a horizontal light beam". In pictures, the beam was vertical. I'm interested in knowing what the directionality of this horizontal beam
Most likely vertical, possibly both. I've seen both versions in renderings, but I can't imagine a totally horizontal beam being shot out accross the area.
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What? That doesn't even make any sense, there are multiple towers at the new WTC.
You have to find the sarcasm in that towers 2 & 3 are no where ready to be built yet due to political issues. Bigger and better? In 30 years or so. Joking, just joking.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2009, 4:11 AM
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You have to find the sarcasm in that towers 2 & 3 are no where ready to be built yet due to political issues. Bigger and better? In 30 years or so. Joking, just joking.
The Freedom Tower isn't exaclty close to completion either, and the original complex wasn't built in a day. So no, I find no humor in people bringing negativity into this thread which is moving forward with progress now, though it will take years to complete.
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You have to find the sarcasm in that towers 2 & 3 are no where ready to be built yet due to political issues. Bigger and better? In 30 years or so. Joking, just joking.
No, they're not u/c right now because of economic issues, not political issues. Same as any other new office construction anywhere on the planet.

And anyone who thinks that five is fewer than two, and three (or four) towers over one thousand feet is somehow less impressive than two over a thousand feet obviously doesn't have a clue.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 25, 2009, 5:42 AM
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-Glass walls at the plaza edges will provide protection from the wind.

-Window-washing equipment will be incorporated into the antenna ring structure.
A couple of things I haven't paid much attention to, but makes more sense looking at the renderings, the glass has always been there...

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The Vesey Street side will be below the plaza levels, and its the only side that will incorporate stairs in the lobby to make up the difference, also from the plaza.

I'm not sure how the window-washing works.

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There is a ring track just above the parapet that can be seen in the rendering of the top of the tower. There well be three units riding on it with horizontal telescoping arms. From the end of the arm hangs a conventional window washing scaffold.

I think I still have the WW prints at home, if I do I'll post some pics this evening.
     
     
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After reading NYGuy's post from wtc.com with the descriptions of the lobby and building features I can only think that this tower is going to be an amazing sight to behold when completed. I get chills just thinking about it. I will definitely be visiting the big apple to see this tower when it's finished.
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NYguy, any idea where within the WFC the underground concourse connecter will be? My guess is somewhere in the back of the Winter Garden behind the marble steps, but I haven’t found any indication anywhere in that vicinity.
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How tall is the structure at the base of the Spire?

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Quick question.... does anyone know how tall the structure on top of the roof will be?? Not the spire... but the structure at its base. I'm curious because if that structure has the same perimeter as the top of the building, it'll actually make the building appear taller than 1368 ft.

If someone could let me know when they get the chance..

Thanks....
     
     
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