Calgary Future Skyline Renderings - Page 29

freeweed · #**561** Posted **Aug 13, 2009, 8:17 PM**

Can people just take random images they find on Google and use them like commercially like this?

mwalker_mw · #**562** Posted **Aug 13, 2009, 9:23 PM**

No. Though far too many do. Creative works in Canada are automatically under copyright to their producer (which can be a person or a corporation) for generally a very long time (usually life + 50).

Stock image sites exist for this reason (www.istockphoto.com for example) - to provide royalty free content for general (and especially commercial) use. Alternately, usage rights can be obtained directly from the creator of the work.

http://www.cipo.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/wr00506.html#no2

One way or another - using without permission is bad form and unlawful. Hopefully CtrlAltDel is being well compensated for the use of his works (or has donated them for use) - if not, time to send some nasty letters...and invoices.

Me&You · #**563** Posted **Aug 13, 2009, 10:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by mwalker_mw

No. Though far too many do. Creative works in Canada are automatically under copyright to their producer (which can be a person or a corporation) for generally a very long time (usually life + 50).

Stock image sites exist for this reason (www.istockphoto.com for example) - to provide royalty free content for general (and especially commercial) use. Alternately, usage rights can be obtained directly from the creator of the work.

http://www.cipo.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cipointernet-internetopic.nsf/eng/wr00506.html#no2

One way or another - using without permission is bad form and unlawful. Hopefully CtrlAltDel is being well compensated for the use of his works (or has donated them for use) - if not, time to send some nasty letters...and invoices.

Out of curiosity, what would the invoice be for? What's something like the background on "Cabbie" worth?

mwalker_mw · #**564** Posted **Aug 13, 2009, 10:58 PM**

Here is a random pic off a "high end" stock photo site. Pricing depends on resolution and usage but you can see the list if you scroll down. There is also a pretty big premium for exclusive use.

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/200250275-001/Photodisc

Now these are just photos - I'd probably value the renderings done by CtrlAltDel a bit higher than just a photo.

That being said, there are lots of ways to get images cheaper. There are sources of stock content that charge only a couple of bucks a photo or less and some are even free. Sometimes it is as easy as emailing the creator - some would rather just give permission than deal with the hassle of billing.

Generally, unless they have been explicitly waived, the creator has moral rights to their work as well which means they must be credited with the work. Stock photos generally have these rights waived as part of the purchase price.

Ultimately, with a creative work, the price is whatever you can convince someone else it is worth.

freeweed · #**565** Posted **Aug 13, 2009, 11:26 PM**

My question was rhetorical, but thanks for the info.

We prodded C-A-D into taking action on the Transformers posters (I'd like to think it was us, anyway

), so hopefully he gets something out of this too. Considering the places I'm seeing these pictures, I really hope these companies are getting at least permission if not outright paying for them (Global, I'm looking at you).

Bigtime · #**566** Posted **Aug 13, 2009, 11:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by freeweed

My question was rhetorical, but thanks for the info.

We prodded C-A-D into taking action on the Transformers posters (I'd like to think it was us, anyway

), so hopefully he gets something out of this too. Considering the places I'm seeing these pictures, I really hope these companies are getting at least permission if not outright paying for them (Global, I'm looking at you).

Actually it was Surrealplaces that had his work on the Transformers posters, and if I recall they did settle with him for using his work.

Bokimon · #**567** Posted **Aug 14, 2009, 6:35 PM**

Yeah if I recall Surreal was rewarded handsomely well and the DVD cover I have tof the movie has his city works on it. I hope CAD is being compensated in some way for his work to be used in the media. Although I know sometimes he will let it for free as a courtesey type of deal. I would gladly pay to get a poster done with a few of his latest renders.

By the way do you have hi res versions of your latest one showing the Santiago bridge and the waterfront shot?
Thnx for the other one, I plan to print these in 11x17 and hang them all on the wall of my firm. I so far have the aerial shot from the East and another shot from Dover area from top of that hill.

Great job as usual man!!

WhipperSnapper · #**568** Posted **Aug 14, 2009, 6:50 PM**

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Hopefully CtrlAltDel is being well compensated for the use of his works

He, himself, is likely infringing on copyright as many of the unbuilt buildings are based from copyrighted sources.

mwalker_mw · #**569** Posted **Aug 15, 2009, 2:26 PM**

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He, himself, is likely infringing on copyright as many of the unbuilt buildings are based from copyrighted sources.

That is very true. Though it should be considered that most of the existing works he is using are publicity photos and were created to maximize exposure of the projects. It is a calculated risk to use them but I suspect he is probably safe (not legally, but in practice) as publicity is publicity. He could probably get explicit permission pretty easily. Perhaps in this situation it would not be appropriate to be seeking compensation until those issues are cleared up, however, I do think anyone's, especially a professional's, use of his works without credit is in really bad taste.

This is essentially the music "sampling" debate which really isn't addressed very well in our current laws.

Spring2008 · #**570** Posted **Aug 15, 2009, 9:48 PM**

lol

I just seen the Cabbie stampede skit with the future rendering in the background...

To be honest things are going to look very different from that dated rendering.(Unless curtis block/kahanoff get going eventually)

freeweed · #**571** Posted **Aug 15, 2009, 10:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sacamano

He, himself, is likely infringing on copyright as many of the unbuilt buildings are based from copyrighted sources.

Possibly, although there's a huge difference between taking a small piece of something, and wholesale reproduction of an image.

There's also a huge difference between some enthusiast putting up some pictures on a geek website, and Global freaking News using it to make money.

Spring2008 · #**572** Posted **Aug 15, 2009, 11:51 PM**

It's good to know I'm not the only person who watches Cabbie. I've been watching his skits for like 5 years now.

I felt really weird bringing his show up at work though in random conversation a couple years back. Tried to describe him/his show and absolutely Nobody at work knew who he was.

CtrlAltDel · #**573** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 8:12 AM**

I continue to do these pictures for fun, in my spare time, and do not take any compensation for them. Most of the original images are not mine, so as long as I don't get in any sort of trouble, I will keep doing them.

Glad (most) people like them!

CtrlAltDel · #**574** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 8:12 AM**

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Witty Nickname · #**575** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 10:11 AM**

Once again, outstanding work.

CorporateWhore · #**576** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 12:23 PM**

Damn, thats nice! This will totally influence my opinion. Can you do the other 30?

Bigtime · #**577** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 1:15 PM**

Amazing work as always CtrlAltDel! Really helps put those proposals into perspective. From these alone I really like Arup+Kasian and Busby Perkins+Will.

You Need A Thneed · #**578** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 2:37 PM**

Awesome, love the rendering of the Bow too. IMO, the closest rendering to what it will actually look like that you've done yet.

The Rosales rendering looks a little bit too big, IMO. It doesn't look to me that the towers will be as high as you show them here.

Bigtime · #**579** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 2:45 PM**

Wow I didn't even notice Herald Square hiding just behind The Bow!

Stang · #**580** Posted **Sep 24, 2009, 2:49 PM**

Not bad for a few "quick sketches". Damn.