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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 7:20 AM
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The number is $2.8 billion.
I support it, get some money from alberta...i always believed, that the bcliberals could do anything...
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 7:45 AM
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I support it, get some money from alberta...i always believed, that the bcliberals could do anything...
Or we can wait for natural gas prices to rise back to $13.00/cubic metre from $3.00 today.....that should add billions and billions and billions to the provincial treasury each year, and we likely have a lot more natural gas than even Alberta.
     
     
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Or we can wait for natural gas prices to rise back to $13.00/cubic metre from $3.00 today.....that should add billions and billions and billions to the provincial treasury each year, and we likely have a lot more natural gas than even Alberta.
It's on its way. Bad news for us individually (those of us with gas), good news for the Province.
     
     
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They should move the station where that patch of green grass is between the bus loop and the highway... then maybe rebuild the WCE station on the north side and make the access ramp level with the bus loop. =) If they had the money to they could also install some moving walkways between the two. =O

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They should move the station where that patch of green grass is between the bus loop and the highway... then maybe rebuild the WCE station on the north side and make the access ramp level with the bus loop. =) If they had the money to they could also install some moving walkways between the two. =O
The WCE travel on the south side of the track in Tri-Cities, so to move the platform north, they must rebuild Port Moody and Port Coquitlam stations too, or they need to install 2 switches. This way WCE will need to use both tracks during peak, which is probably undesirable for freight operation.

As for connection to shopping center, I think Lincoln station (located near where the two tracks merges in the north) would be better suited for that function as it is located in the middle of three shopping centres (Coquitlam, Henderson, Pinetree). If Coquitlam station is located at that grass area, then the short distance (~500m) would prevent Lincoln being built. Move the bus loop southward, closer to the station would probably be a better idea.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 1:39 PM
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West Coast Express doesn't make their switch to the north track until just west of Maple Meadows Station.

Hypothetically speaking, could they be proposing that Coquitlam Central Station be where it is because they're planning to build a stub off track for future extensions east?
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 2:45 PM
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Even with this governance structure we still get mayors sticking up or their own municipality as opposed looking at the big picture. A couple of weeks back Diane Watts said something to the effect that she would not vote for more funding unless Surrey got it's Skytrain extension. The political oversight fro Translink should be directly elected by all residents of Metro Vancouver.
And funnily enough, the Surrey SkyTrain extension wasn't even on anyone's radar until Falcon mentioned it. Falcon lives in Cloverdale.

I'd like to see Surrey get improved service, but do they really need a SkyTrain extension now? Wouldn't it be better to improve service (LRT) from Newton to Guildford to increase ridership within Surrey? SkyTrain could only "realistically" serve ONE of these corridors. LRT would fit the region SO much better as well, providing a MUCH cheaper ride to White Rock through South Surrey at Grade via the Farmland (ALR?). It would also fit in much better in the Urban fabric of White Rock, which has more of a village feel downtown.

And forget about LRT from Guildford to Coquitlam. If anything, it would be better served going south on 152nd to Fraser Hwy. You'd end up with a horseshoe LRT in Surrey.
     
     
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And funnily enough, the Surrey SkyTrain extension wasn't even on anyone's radar until Falcon mentioned it. Falcon lives in Cloverdale.
No kiddin'.
     
     
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I don't see why we'd need to move the platform to the North side. Just build a pedestrian bridge over the tracks. The trains don't come that often that it will be an issue.
     
     
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They should move the station where that patch of green grass is between the bus loop and the highway... then maybe rebuild the WCE station on the north side and make the access ramp level with the bus loop. =) If they had the money to they could also install some moving walkways between the two. =O
That patch of grass is exaggerated in the rendering. A station wouldn't fit there
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 3:47 PM
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i just listened to Port Moody Mayor Joe Trasolini on CBC690 this morning. He sounded pissed.
     
     
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As for connection to shopping center, I think Lincoln station (located near where the two tracks merges in the north) would be better suited for that function as it is located in the middle of three shopping centres (Coquitlam, Henderson, Pinetree).
But Lincoln isn't one of the confirmed stations in the latest design updates... there are only Coquitlam Central and Douglas College stations.

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I'd like to see Surrey get improved service, but do they really need a SkyTrain extension now? Wouldn't it be better to improve service (LRT) from Newton to Guildford to increase ridership within Surrey? SkyTrain could only "realistically" serve ONE of these corridors.
Would it be better to build the 75-year solution now, rather than build an LRT as a 15-year stopgap and then build a SkyTrain at inflated cost later?

I was thinking that Surrey would be well-served by having a fork like YVR/Richmond. Half of the trains would go to Newton and half to Fleetwood. Perhaps someone from the region can comment on this?
     
     
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i just listened to Port Moody Mayor Joe Trasolini on CBC690 this morning. He sounded pissed.
About what? Someone hit-and-run his cute little sports car?

I'm sorry but Trasolini et al. have played a prominent role in the past, FIGHTING skytrain through Port Moody... and you just can't help wonder if it would have made a difference if they had EMBRACED it 9 years ago.

Probably not... whatever.
24 years of living there is enough. Port Moody has lost its charm to me.
sorry, I am finished with that hypocritical town.
     
     
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^ Indeed, Port Moody seems like a lot of barking from a very small dog... like Steveston or Kerrisdale trying to dictate to an entire region.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 4:36 PM
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Probably not... whatever.
24 years of living there is enough. Port Moody has lost its charm to me.
sorry, I am finished with that hypocritical town.
you sound bitter. Port Moody can not be thaaaaaat bad.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 22, 2009, 4:59 PM
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Would it be better to build the 75-year solution now, rather than build an LRT as a 15-year stopgap and then build a SkyTrain at inflated cost later?

I was thinking that Surrey would be well-served by having a fork like YVR/Richmond. Half of the trains would go to Newton and half to Fleetwood. Perhaps someone from the region can comment on this?
Why is SkyTrain the 75-year solution? A fork would reduce capacity. The LRT would work very well, serve Surrey better, and be a better fit for the landscape. A fork would only exacerbate travelers. Traveling from Newton to Guildford would involve a needless transfer.

LRT in Surrey has the same or more capacity as a forked SkyTrain would have, as the trains are generally longer and wider. A 4-car LRT train could practically hold 800 or more people. It would be about 100m long.

Please tell me how these higher capacity trains running at approximately the same frequency as SkyTrain (forked) would be the 15-year solution? It's already been discussed here that because Surrey's arterial block size is ~1/2mi (800m) LRT would be a perfect fit. Add some signal integration and you have a fast frequent friendly financially sound system. (How's that for alliteration)
     
     
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^ I guess the real question is, will riders be using this line mostly to travel within Surrey, or mostly to get to the Expo Line to get out of Surrey?

I assumed the LRT you were proposing would be at-grade and in-traffic, and therefore a stop-gap solution. Because if it was grade-separated, then there would not be the cost savings vs. SkyTrain. I don't think Surrey has reserved transit right-of-ways like Calgary, so there are only two options...
     
     
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If Surrey favours LRT they should have plans that they can present to Translink & the Provincial Government identifying potential Rights of Way
     
     
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you sound bitter. Port Moody can not be thaaaaaat bad.
I'm mainly just done with the area, and I guess I'm finding that the regional town centre model of the LRSP is failing areas like Port Moody because there is little to no job growth occurring at the regional town centres. Everyone commutes from Port Moody to some other part of the region, and transportation infrastructure has only changed modestly with growth.
     
     
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