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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 4:03 PM
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Yes, but you also have to keep in mind that most developments don't require the approval of the provincial government. Because this is going to include a convention centre, and the city and province are footing the bill, its one of the few where this is nessesary. For most developments, the funding doesnt come from the city or province. This development isn't like any regular office tower.
True. I was merely pointing out that regardless, no other government did anything other than talk big when it came to new developments that they would be involved in (new convention centre, new provincial office building on birk's site etc). I am not excusing the NDP if they do turn this down, because I agree that this project DESPERATELY needs to be built. If they turn it down I will be the 1st to say they were wrong. I am just making the point that all the Tories did was talk, and in terms of the Nova Centre it was really nothing more than a potential sorta promise rushed out in a mid-guided attempt at winning Halifax votes just before an election call.

As I have said before, I am not NDP or PC or anything else... I think all politicians are equally useless! *GRIN* I just take umbridge when people seem to assume that a PC government was so much better for development, when the fact is I don't see a single new development that was built (of any kind, convention centre of not) during the past PC government's tenure that they could take credit for.
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 4:29 PM
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you may not support either, and there is no doubt in my mind that you are not a fire brand partisan....but it's also obvious that your you have far more criticism for the Tories...and you often speak of the NDP in a defensive tone


just say-in'
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 5:12 PM
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you may not support either, and there is no doubt in my mind that you are not a fire brand partisan....but it's also obvious that your you have far more criticism for the Tories...and you often speak of the NDP in a defensive tone


just say-in'
LOL Fair enough. If it comes out that way it probably is more to do with my lack of respect for how MacDonald and how he governed than anything else (I actually thought Hamm, on the whole, was a pretty solid premier). I can assure I have equal criticisms of all the parties, but in the "here and now" I certainly was not unhappy to see MacDonald himself go down. At this point Dexter hasn't done enough for me to judge, but if you like I have lots of bad things to say about Layton, Dion etc etc!
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 5:41 PM
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well said...I agree, About Hamm...to me MacDonald to me will always remain what his previous profession was....a high school gym teacher.....it is a little premature to be judging Dexy....but IMO ...this honey moon stage is not long for this world..then we shall see what this man is really about.....still many unanswered questions
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 7:20 PM
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NDP, Tories, liberals, regardless its a government partnership tied to a development. Things are going to move a snails pace. Look at Queenslanding, proposed in 2005 yet nothing happening yet. Therefore the reason why i won't get too worked up till i see a crane.
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 8:58 PM
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Putting politics aside, I just want to see the thing get built. The impact of this development will be more significant than most people think.

If we are going to be competitive with cities of a similar size (Saskatoon, Victoria, etc) we need this. We are the biggest port on the east coast of Canada and could be handling alot more international trade (whether physically through our ports or via business development).

This development will immediately create a significant amount of jobs (that I am qualified for) downtown and will have massive economic spinoffs for local businesses (restaurants, etc).

The real question should be why not!

Right now is a great time for them to build, alot of material prices are down, etc. As much as I didn't like Rodney, I did like his gung ho attitude to the way Halifax should be. Why are we waiting a year? So this project can die like the others?

Its already designed... why are we going to waste more money changing the plan?

Isn't Bloomfield supposed to have this arts/cultural element as well? What about the library?

I feel as though too many of these projects cannibalize eachother and we don't end up with any landmark developments or developments that meet their requirements. This proposal seems to to meet the convention and trade office requirements and I just want it to fulfill its utility.

Ugh, thats my rant. We can't be cautious and need to get something built downtown that will help facilitate the future growth of the city and local economy.
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 9:14 PM
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I think this style of convention centre would be the best for the city. I also think it would be good to tear down the Metro Centre and find a new location for an arena that is not in the middle of the old downtown of small-scale blocks. The current Metro Centre is very out of place.

Like I said before, it's easy to speculate about whether this or that government would be better for this development, but as others have said the common thread is that every level of government in NS operates at a snail's pace. There is little real leadership so there are all kinds of elaborate plans intended to satisfy everybody, but there is not enough money for all of them so none end up moving forward.
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I also think it would be good to tear down the Metro Centre and find a new location for an arena that is not in the middle of the old downtown of small-scale blocks. The current Metro Centre is very out of place.

your right....idealy, the the metro center lands could be transformed into traditional, retail at grade, office\ residential mid to high rise and split into to two blocks....but imo the new metro would have to be on the fringe of the core.....like the skydome was when it was built...stadiums in the burbs are a non-starter...take the alouets, for ex.....after moving from expo stadium.....with pitiful ll attendance, they moved into that decrepit McGill stadium....and it was filled to the rafters....if a stadium is not within walking distance of the core.....it places a major handicap on it

Like I said before, it's easy to speculate about whether this or that government would be better for this development, but as others have said the common thread is that every level of government in NS operates at a snail's pace. There is little real leadership so there are all kinds of elaborate plans intended to satisfy everybody, but there is not enough money for all of them so none end up moving forward.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 9:41 AM
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Group fights for view
Convention centre plans worry heritage coalition
By BILL POWER Staff Reporter
Sun. Sep 20 - 4:45 AM


One of the best views in Nova Scotia — the vista of the harbour and Georges Island from the main entrance to the Halifax Citadel — will be lost forever if highrise towers are included in the new World Trade and Convention Centre slated for Argyle Street, a heritage group charged Saturday.

"Try to imagine the number of people who have taken in that view during visits to our city. It is certainly a view worth preserving," said Beverly Miller, a spokeswoman for a group called The Coalition to Save the View from Citadel Hill.

"We’re trying to draw public attention to the fact that highrise construction above the proposed convention centre will take away something that is a special part of our city."

The coalition put out a press release Saturday with images it said showed how the view of the harbour from the main entrance to the historic Citadel will be affected if a 14-storey office building and an 18-storey hotel are included in the convention centre project.

One of the images shows a view of Georges Island almost blocked entirely when looking from the fortress main entrance toward the harbour.

The coalition, which Ms. Miller said is comprised of numerous organizations and individuals with heritage concerns, said it wants federal and provincial decision makers to consider the impact the project’s highrise components will have before approving financial support for the new convention centre.

"We are certainly not opposed to the convention centre, which would be perhaps three stories. Our issue is with the towers that would rise up and block this wonderful view from the Citadel," said Ms. Miller.

The press release from the coalition states "it would be unconscionable to use tax dollars to assist a private developer to block the view of Halifax Harbour from historic Citadel Hill."

Ms. Miller said the Halifax by Design strategy that became entrenched in law over the summer months allows the highrise towers to be built at the Argyle site that is occupied by the former Halifax Herald Limited building and the former home of the Midtown Tavern.

"Under the old planning strategy this view was protected and this construction could not have been approved," said Ms. Miller.

The coalition has established a web site at www.halifaxcommon.ca/citadelview to draw attention to the pending loss of the harbour view.

"It’s just not smart business to exchange cultural and historic assets that attract thousands of tourists for a commercial development providing a financial windfall to one developer," said coalition member Peter Delefes, president of the Heritage Trust of Nova Scotia.

"In this way the public would actually foot the bill to block the view," he said in the press release.

Speculation about the new World Trade and Convention Centre became feverish around much of the city after Premier Darrell Dexter said on Sept. 4 that news about the project can be expected soon.

Former premier Rodney MacDonald announced the new centre, which he dubbed Nova Centre, just hours before his minority government was defeated in May.

A price tax of about $300 million has been attached to the centre, which is supposed to be open for business in 2013.

Rank Inc. led by Joseph Ramia won a competition to develop the convention centre and its highrise hotel and office building. Mr. Ramia’s company owns the Argyle Street site. He was unavailable for comment.

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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 2:42 PM
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Now they are a coalition?

This is bogus, a little late on the draw after all of these plans have been made.

I am now officially worried about the government we have in place.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 3:06 PM
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 3:30 PM
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Now they are a coalition?
I am now officially worried about the government we have in place.
Especially with NDPer Peter Delefes now in charge of the HT. Who knows what sweet nothings he is whispering in the ear of Brother Darrell Dexter?
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 3:33 PM
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^I second that worldly

At least the city already knows that Beverly Miller is an extremist and doesn't pay any attention to her.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 4:09 PM
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My biggest hope is that they are too far along in the project to stop now.

Halifax is needs a trade centre, we're a fricking port!!
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 4:10 PM
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BTW, this group has a website (www.savetheview.ca) and a facebook group... feel free to give them a hard time.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 5:13 PM
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Didn't someone disprove this would happen at the HbD hearing?

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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 6:27 PM
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BTW, this group has a website (www.savetheview.ca) and a facebook group... feel free to give them a hard time.
I posted on their facebook group. Wow they have a whole 216 members. Hardly enough I hope to bring this project down.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 8:39 PM
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It looks to me like the picture they are using was taken from the road / parking lot. Does the convention center block the view from the ramparts?
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2009, 10:24 PM
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Didn't someone disprove this would happen at the HbD hearing?
Yup. But facts are irrelevant to religious zealots. Ideas always trump reality.
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2009, 11:08 PM
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Didn't someone disprove this would happen at the HbD hearing?

It is too bad that Halifax won't allow a better vantage point for the views of the harbour, bridges, etc. A tasteful observation tower such as in Portsmouth, UK ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinnaker_Tower ). Then people could get a good view of the city and forget about the citadel hill views. Personally, I always liked the citadel hill views for the views of the city buildings.
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