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[deasine]

That was an enjoyable read. Weird about the bus? I didn't know or haven't heard of short turning at White Rock Centre

[cabotp]

Originally Posted by mr.x

I'm not too sure either. But I do remember that they need something like a fair warning notice, like a week, for things like Canucks and Lions games. Maybe they require more attendants?

Well considering the canucks schedule is now released. I'm pretty sure they can plan for the games next march and april

Unless there are some special canucks games that I don't know about

[hollywoodnorth]

So Any Updated Traffic Counts??!?!?!??

[Zassk]

Does anyone know if ProTransBC is mandated to send 1/2 of the trains to YVR? Or could the ratio be changed to e.g. 1/3 - 2/3 during rush hour instead?

[nname]

Originally Posted by deasine

That was an enjoyable read. Weird about the bus? I didn't know or haven't heard of short turning at White Rock Centre

Half of the bus now terminate at White Rock Centre during off-peak. So from 16th Avenue to Crescent Beach still have the 30min headway off-peak.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Zassk

Does anyone know if ProTransBC is mandated to send 1/2 of the trains to YVR? Or could the ratio be changed to e.g. 1/3 - 2/3 during rush hour instead?

That would lower the frequency from 7mins to 10.5 (on average). I think that's too much.

[Metro-One]

how about having one set of trains shunting back and forth between Brighouse and Bridgport corresponding with the YVR train's schedual (the shunting one arrives just before the YVR train heading northbound in the morning and arrives just after the northbound YVR train in the evening at Bridgeport?

[cabotp]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

That would lower the frequency from 7mins to 10.5 (on average). I think that's too much.

10.5 Minutes is not that long. Considering that is the waiting time for a train now on either the the brighouse or yvr lines late at night.

I think if they were to send a train out to Yvr. And then have it sit there for just under the 10.5 minutes. So people can slowly load as they need be. Then when the time is up close the doors and pull out. As soon as it it gone the next one is pulling in right away into the yvr station and now sits for about 10.5 minutes. That way people can find a seat and just sit down instead of standing around and waiting for the train to come along and having to unload and load in 1 minute.

I'd also setup a system where the PA system gives out an automated message something like "Waterfront bound train will leave in 10 minutes" and the next message might be a minute later and say it will be 9 minutes. Or they could just let the display that is there now let people know when the train is leaving.

[Metro-One]

I think my idea is better... my way we do not lose frequency to YVR and the Richmond section has the same frequency as the Watrerfront to Bridgeport station section, and it would only involve a momentary cross platform transfer.

[Zassk]

Metro-One, I like the short shuttle idea too, but I doubt YVR would be happy with that outcome for their $300 million (?) investment in the line. I expect trains will always connect Waterfront directly with YVR, it is just a question of how frequent they are. Once per 10 minutes should be quite comparable to airport shuttles in other cities. If I recall, the Gatwick express runs every 15 minutes.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by cabotp

10.5 Minutes is not that long. Considering that is the waiting time for a train now on either the the brighouse or yvr lines late at night.

I'll agree it's not the end of the world. However if/when they ever start charging a premium, I'd be pretty choked at that kind of service. Plus this is the first entry to the region for a lot of tourists, etc. There are a few reasons to make sure that is a good experience.

Originally Posted by cabotp

I'd also setup a system where the PA system gives out an automated message something like "Waterfront bound train will leave in 10 minutes" and the next message might be a minute later and say it will be 9 minutes. Or they could just let the display that is there now let people know when the train is leaving.

They already have signs for this, I don't see that as a problem.

I think we can agree the solution lies in more trains for the system!

[Metro-One]

Metro-One, I like the short shuttle idea too, but I doubt YVR would be happy with that outcome for their $300 million (?) investment in the line. I expect trains will always connect Waterfront directly with YVR, it is just a question of how frequent they are. Once per 10 minutes should be quite comparable to airport shuttles in other cities. If I recall, the Gatwick express runs every 15 minutes.

What i was thinking was not running the suttle to and from YVR, but running it along the Richmond stretch to correspond with ever waterfront to YVR bound train. that way 1 out of every 2 trains would serve brighouse direct and 1 out of every 2 trains would serve YVR direct, but there would also be a shuttle train going between Brighouse and Bridgport that would opperate as every YVR train comes and goes. Its hard to explain. Simply when the YVR bound train arrives at Bridgport on the other side of the platfrom is the Richmond shuttle train waiting, both trains go to their terminus, and when the YVR bound train is heading back to Waterfront the Richmond shuttle arrives back at Bridgport.

[twoNeurons]

Sounds confusing Metro-one.

I think the better solution is any new trains go where the people are... which is likely going to be Richmond.

[Unregistered]

Originally Posted by BCPhil

All this from a nation (UAE) that has a similar GDP at purchasing power parity to BC. How come they get to have almost 100km of automated rapid transit (very similar in capacity to Skytrain) on the drawing board for only $2.73 billion?

I believe the Dubai metro cost US $7.6 billion.

[DKaz]

Yah the cost overruns there were huge in Dubai. Even look at Seattle for one expensive system. We're lucky we got our 3 lines in Vancouver for as little as we did.

[Metro-One]

I believe the Dubai metro cost US $7.6 billion.

And its 70km, not 100km of rail (and it is not 70 km until next year).

[CLC]

Originally Posted by vanman

Apparently Dubai's metro will be over 170km by 2012:

I think only the Red line and the Green line are the done deal. Dubai metro will still be only 3 km ahead of Vancovuer by 2012.

There's simply no adequate demand in Dubai, train frequency is also no match to our skytrain (combined service) or canada Line (Vancouver section)

[lightrail]

Originally Posted by CLC

I think only the Red line and the Green line are the done deal. Dubai metro will still be only 3 km ahead of Vancovuer by 2012.

There's simply no adequate demand in Dubai, train frequency is also no match to our skytrain (combined service) or canada Line (Vancouver section)

If we want to keep our spot as the longest automated system in the world, we'd better get building. Dubai expects to have 318km of double-track by 2020. So we only have to add another 249km of track over the next 10 years to keep pace with Dubai. At 25km per year, that's like building two Evergreen lines a year.

[CLC]

^ Dubai is in downturn, their ambituous metro plan... hmm I don't believe it until it all get really completely built LOL

Also, Dubai may consider other "advanced" technology in their future line, there's no firm plans if the future lines will be all automated.

[jlousa]

Don't forget ours is only the longest in the world because we count most of the expo line twice, I beleive the M-Line uses the distance for it's entire route even though a large part of that is on the Expo line. If we build the evergreen line and send a car from the expo line and one from the M line all the way to the end we can call them two new lines and count all those kms.