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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 3:10 AM
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I wouldn't mind having one of those double decker buses (commonly used in HK and England) here in Vancouver. Can those double decker buses fit under the bus tram lines that are almost all over Vancouver? Richmond doesn't have any of those lines above, so we sure could use some of them double stacked buses :]
I saw 2 new big double decker sightseeing buses driven by along the #19 trolley bus route at Chinatown Saturday. I don't know the name of the tour company but the bus has a drawing of Harbour Centre and other buildings at its side. The bus fits under the trolley line with room to spare. So there is no danger being electrified.
     
     
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We all know that Victoria has double decker buses, but this summer i was surprised that Kelown uses double decker buses for public transit!
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lol, i heard quite a few of BC Transit's double deckers and regular buses will be heading to Vancouver for the Olympics.
     
     
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We all know that Victoria has double decker buses, but this summer i was surprised that Kelown uses double decker buses for public transit!
Yeah I saw double decker buses going along this really curvy highway west of Victoria. I would not ride that bus unless I'm sitting at the absolute front. The highway is wayyyy too curvy and if I'm sitting elsewhere, I'd get motion sickness easily.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 3:36 AM
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I saw 2 new big double decker sightseeing buses driven by along the #19 trolley bus route at Chinatown Saturday. I don't know the name of the tour company but the bus has a drawing of Harbour Centre and other buildings at its side. The bus fits under the trolley line with room to spare. So there is no danger being electrified.
Are they dark blue by VanHool? Because if it is, those aren't TransLink buses.
     
     
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Are they dark blue by VanHool? Because if it is, those aren't TransLink buses.
Unfortunately, they are not Translink bus. I believe they are just sightseeing bus by a tour company with stop at Chinatown. The bus looked so new with shiny silver? colour, I felt like hop-on the bus for a ride. It would be nice if Translink has a few of these double deckers for city route.
     
     
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Quote from Buzzer blog:

"...And for you SkyTrain enthusiasts, yes, Dubai will eventually have the world’s longest automated metro system at 70 km, once its Green Line opens in June 2010 (see Wikipedia). But until then, our SkyTrain system—that’s Expo, Millennium and Canada Lines all together—is still the longest at roughly 67 km ..."
     
     
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Shhhhhh...I'm determined that we keep that title, regardless. :p

Tack on "World's Longest Automated Metro" right below "Best Place on Earth" on the trains.
     
     
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Well if we get the Evergreen Line going we could take that title back again, unless they have more lines opening between now and then.
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Well if we get the Evergreen Line going we could take that title back again, unless they have more lines opening between now and then.
More expansion is delayed due to financial situation. Public-private partnerships is being considered (P3 model?) http://www.business24-7.ae/Articles/2009...09_3bb5d0ac942140ef952e73cc9580c337.aspx.
So it looks like Translink is not alone having financial constraint.
     
     
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I saw 2 new big double decker sightseeing buses driven by along the #19 trolley bus route at Chinatown Saturday. I don't know the name of the tour company but the bus has a drawing of Harbour Centre and other buildings at its side. The bus fits under the trolley line with room to spare. So there is no danger being electrified.
Sightline Tours is operating the double decker VanHool buses.

They are using Oregon plates but are located here as the livery advertising Vancouver destinations attests. They also feature VanHools "GeoGenius" emissions management system, which is likely their name for pairing up a diesel particulate filter with ultra-low sulphur diesel fuel. In Translinks' Alternative Fuels Test Program from a few years ago it was found that such a pairing reduced a bus' average non-C02 emissions by up to 90%. Pairing that set-up with a hybrid drive system yielded unbelievably low readings. The results of that test led to a large order of New Flyer hybrid 60ft articulated buses and Nova 40ft hybrids. I am already seeing the New Flyer 60ft hybrids on the 99 route.

Back to the Canada Line...

I was out of town for a vacation and missed the back to school rush on Tuesday. I've skimmed the last few pages but I wonder whether someone would mind summarizing the day's events?
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Apparently Dubai's metro will be over 170km by 2012:

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Line Length (km) Completion Route
Red Line 52.0 2009 Rashidiya to Jabel Ali
Green Line 22.5 2010 Al Qusais to Al Jedaff
Blue Line 47.0 2011
Purple Line 49.0 2012
From what I've read over at SSC, the green line is delayed and won't open in June 2010, so Vancouver will hold on to the title of World's Longest Automated Metro for at least another year.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 5:14 AM
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Apparently Dubai's metro will be over 170km by 2012:



From what I've read over at SSC, the green line is delayed and won't open in June 2010, so Vancouver will hold on to the title of World's Longest Automated Metro for at least another year.
I just checked "Dubai metro" at Wikipedia. Stations have platform edge doors. The trains are made in Japan. If Canada Line were built like that..

The Skytrain system haven't got incident like this. So I think we still have a good system: http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Traffic_and_Transport/10347785.html
     
     
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More expansion is delayed due to financial situation. Public-private partnerships is being considered (P3 model?) http://www.business24-7.ae/Articles/2009...09_3bb5d0ac942140ef952e73cc9580c337.aspx.
So it looks like Translink is not alone having financial constraint.
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The Green Line, at 22.5km, will connect 18 stations in Deira and Bur Dubai and will have an initial capacity of 6,395 passengers per hour. Once completed, it will make Dubai Metro the world's longest automated metro network, overtaking the Vancouver SkyTrain in Canada.
Not bad gettting a mention in a forign paper.

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"I hope the Green Line is completed by June 2010 and [God willing] it will be," said Chairman and Executive Director Mattar Al Tayer.
At least we can still keep our title while we are being visited by the world during the Olympics.

All this from a nation (UAE) that has a similar GDP at purchasing power parity to BC. How come they get to have almost 100km of automated rapid transit (very similar in capacity to Skytrain) on the drawing board for only $2.73 billion?
     
     
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Labour costs and land value perhaps? Also, their lines look like a simple straight shot, with little need for doing any funky bridge work or tunnels or high over passes etc.
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Not bad gettting a mention in a forign paper.



At least we can still keep our title while we are being visited by the world during the Olympics.

All this from a nation (UAE) that has a similar GDP at purchasing power parity to BC. How come they get to have almost 100km of automated rapid transit (very similar in capacity to Skytrain) on the drawing board for only $2.73 billion?
No politics. What the Sheik wants, the Sheik gets. Come to think if it, that's not any different to Campbell and Falcon
     
     
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Not bad gettting a mention in a forign paper.



At least we can still keep our title while we are being visited by the world during the Olympics.

All this from a nation (UAE) that has a similar GDP at purchasing power parity to BC. How come they get to have almost 100km of automated rapid transit (very similar in capacity to Skytrain) on the drawing board for only $2.73 billion?
And SkyTrain is still powered by renewable hydro power. I'm guessing, and this is a long shot, but I'm guessing that the Dubai metro is powered by dirty polluting oil
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 6:53 AM
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COLUMN: There and back again on TransLink's new 351
By Hannah Sutherland - Peace Arch News

Published: September 10, 2009 4:00 PM
Updated: September 10, 2009 4:36 PM

I hadn't even stepped on the bus and already I was having second thoughts.

Ever since controversy arose about the re-routing of Vancouver-bound buses to the Canada Line, I've wondered how efficient – or problematic – the trip would be.

And while it seemed like a good idea to take the route and find out for myself this week for a news article in today's Peace Arch News (page 3), I began to reconsider as I peered out from a Crescent Beach bus stop at 7 a.m. to torrential downpour.

My car, sitting in my driveway across the street, has never looked so lonely.

Considering I took the 351 from that same bus stop into Vancouver for two years while going to college, you'd think certain bus commuter customs – such as standing in extreme weather while checking the time every minute – would have left an imprint.

Wednesday morning, I realized they hadn't, when I suddenly remembered it costs $5 now to get to Vancouver – and bills are virtually worthless on the bus.

After a frantic episode of overturned couch cushions and dumped purse contents – and a particularly chilling battering of rain while standing on the street five minutes later – the bus turned the corner and picked me up. On time, too.

It was reconfirmed my once 'veteran transit commuter' status had fallen to 'amateur bus rider' when I presented my fistful of coins, and didn't pay attention to where I put my transfer.

It took about 20 minutes to get to South Surrey Park and Ride, and the bus was nowhere near full by the time it left at 7:30 a.m.

We arrived at Bridgeport Station just 45 minutes later.

The other passengers knew where to go – presumably from their first transfer the day before – so I followed them into the station and up the escalators.

It was at this point I became separated from the herd, which continued onto the Canada Line platform, when I read the Fare Paid Zone signs and checked my empty pockets for my transfer.

Five bucks down the drain.

I fed the ticket machine a $20 bill, and it kindly gave me my change... in change.

On the platform, a transit employee announced the approaching train from Richmond was full; another from the airport would follow in two minutes.

I waited for the second; it was virtually empty.

Throughout the entire ride to Waterfront Station – which took about 20 minutes – there were seats available.

A public address system was helpful by calling out approaching stops. A transit worker even used it at one point to announce that if there was a Carl on the train, his mother was waiting for him at Waterfront Station.

I bet Carl thought it was helpful, too.

Before turning around at the terminus station to make my way back home to get to my office by deadline, I noted my excursion from Crescent Beach had taken 1½ hours; it had been an hour and ten minutes from the park and ride.

I was extremely impressed with my overall experience until, on the 351 Crescent Beach coming home, the driver stopped at White Rock Centre and kicked everyone off.

Apparently that was as far as that bus was going.

I walked down the block to another stop, and waited 15 minutes for the next bus.

Little did I know, my transfer had expired in this time, and the driver was hesitant to accept it. I pleaded my case, however, and he agreed.

Ironically, the only major roadblock I experienced – the only one not of my own making, that is – was not on the controversial Canada Line, but on the very bus that this community has so loudly campaigned to keep.
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I have a feeling that adding more trains isn't as flexible as SkyTrain, as we've got a private operator. InTransitBC also requires week in advance warning for additional trains for special events; for Translink's SkyTrain, they could probably do this within a day. Service levels are determined by the contract or contract amendments.
Ok other than a train set being scheduled at the OMC for maintainence and repairs. Why would Intransit need a weeks notice for a special event that might increase capacity. It is not like they have to find drivers to drive these trains. If they see a sudden surge can't they just start rolling one of the parked trains.
     
     
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Ok other than a train set being scheduled at the OMC for maintainence and repairs. Why would Intransit need a weeks notice for a special event that might increase capacity. It is not like they have to find drivers to drive these trains. If they see a sudden surge can't they just start rolling one of the parked trains.
I'm not too sure either. But I do remember that they need something like a fair warning notice, like a week, for things like Canucks and Lions games. Maybe they require more attendants?

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I was extremely impressed with my overall experience until, on the 351 Crescent Beach coming home, the driver stopped at White Rock Centre and kicked everyone off.
It stops there?



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A public address system was helpful by calling out approaching stops. A transit worker even used it at one point to announce that if there was a Carl on the train, his mother was waiting for him at Waterfront Station.

I bet Carl thought it was helpful, too.
LOL, it's like a mall or the airport!
     
     
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