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Old Posted Sep 5, 2009, 11:24 PM
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lol, if only the design for regular passes and tickets looked so good too.
Thankfully, the U-Pass looks better =)
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2009, 11:37 PM
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The fare cards for olympics are cute.

hey is 407 going to be more frequency for canada line bus integration?

i can't find the information in translink.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2009, 1:56 AM
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The fare cards for olympics are cute.

hey is 407 going to be more frequency for canada line bus integration?

i can't find the information in translink.
Looks like the only change is service to Bridgeport Station via Great Canadian Way per the September Buzzer.

The 407 schedule effective September 7, 2009 is here.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2009, 3:25 AM
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Just for the record I'm not the least bit worried about Translink cutting back service.

Now onto the good stuff, unforuntely I do not have the time to cut and paste the good stuff out of the following documents. There is a ton of info in them that you guys will enjoy, note there is info that isn't only about Surrey in there. Hopefully some of the forumers and take some time and post the details here.

Surrey Rapid Transit Alternatives Analysis
http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Document...Q9-0075%20Request%20For%20Proposals.ashx

Reference documents
http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Document...ernet%20Reference%20Document%20List.ashx
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2009, 4:46 AM
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The study area appears to exclude the Southern railway alignment where it goes through North Delta, which would preclude a regional service out of Scott Road.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 6, 2009, 2:13 PM
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Reference 55, 56 seems really interesting
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2009, 3:41 PM
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Thanks for the PDF file...lots of useful information here:

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2.0 STUDY AREA OVERVIEW

2.1 Surrey and the surrounding area south of the Fraser River are home to an already significant and growing portion of the region’s jobs and employment. The City of Surrey in the north-western corner of the municipality is alone expected to accommodate more than a quarter of Metro Vancouver’s growth between now and 2041 with a population expected to exceed 750,000 and jobs reaching 300,000.

2.2 Surrey City Centre is planned as the major Metropolitan Centre south of the Fraser, and region’s second downtown. It is the site of Simon Fraser University’s Surrey Campus, and a proposed new City
Hall and office complex. By 2041 Surrey City Centre’s population is expected to reach 43,000 and it is to be the site of 49,000 jobs.

2.3 Key corridors within the study area connect the Surrey communities of Newton, Fleetwood, Cloverdale, Guildford to Surrey City Centre and to the communities of Langley, White Rock and Delta. Major activity centres within these communities include: Surrey Memorial Hospital, RCMP E Division, Surrey Arts Centre, Guildford Town Centre, Fleetwood Town Centre, Newton Industrial Area and Town Centre, Surrey Provincial Courts, Semiahmoo Town Centre, and a number of large
shopping centres. The Newton Town Centre Plan, currently in process, envisions a major transit infrastructure upgrade of the Newton Exchange in addition to a new Transit-Oriented land use plan.

2.4 Many of the communities within the study area are anticipated to see significant growth in jobs and population over the coming years. Surrey’s Official Community Plan and secondary land use plans, already encourage a mix of land uses including medium and high density residential uses in some
areas. Surrey is in the process of undertaking a major update of its Official Community Plan, which will provide an opportunity to work together to encourage transit-supportive densities and a transit network that will help to shape the pattern of density south of the Fraser River.

2.5 The City of Surrey’s Sustainability Charter promotes the efficient use of employment lands in terms of compact employment densities and calls for the location of economic activities in areas served by a sustainable transportation network. The Employment Lands Strategy echoes this while also providing an inventory and projection of office, industrial, commercial and institutional space in Surrey’s town centres and throughout the city.

2.6 Langley Centre is a regional centre on the south-eastern edge of Metro Vancouver that includes portions of the separate municipalities of Langley City & Langley Township. It is an important job centre South of the Fraser River, and is poised to become an important transit node for the area due to its proximity to the intersections of the Fraser Highway and 200th St corridors.

2.7 North Delta (one of the three discrete communities within the municipality of Delta) is to the immediate west of North Surrey across Scott Road / 120th St. Delta primarily fosters single-family residential development with recent growth towards mixed-use and higher-density developments,particularly along the Scott Rd corridor. North Delta is especially relevant in the consideration of Rapid Transit options for the South of Fraser Area due to its proximity to and integration with North Surrey.

2.8 White Rock / Semiahmoo Town Centre straddles the border of uptown White Rock, a small residential seaside community and of the larger South Surrey. This smaller centre at the south of the study area close to the US border is increasingly developing with transit supportive densities.

2.9 In spite of recent gains, private auto use dominates mode share within the study area. Currently 90% of trips are made by private vehicles, with transit making up only 4.4% of total trips in Surrey / Delta /White Rock.

2.10 The study area is currently served by the four easternmost SkyTrain stations along the Expo Line, as well as a combination of local and express bus services. Recent bus service improvements place the
key corridors in the study area within the Frequent Transit Network (transit service at least every 15 minutes, 15 hours a day, 7 days a week as defined by TransLink). A King George Hwy and 104th Avenue B-Line limited-stop express bus route is planned for implementation between 152nd Street and 72nd Avenue in March 2010. While these recent and upcoming transit improvements provide important benefits, they are not expected to be sufficient to achieve local and regional transportation
and land use objectives within the study area.

Surrey Rapid Transit Alternatives Analysis
http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Document...Q9-0075%20Request%20For%20Proposals.ashx
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Just for the record I'm not the least bit worried about Translink cutting back service.
Care to elaborate on that one?
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2009, 6:31 PM
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Thanks for the PDF file...lots of useful information here:

Surrey Rapid Transit Alternatives Analysis
http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Document...Q9-0075%20Request%20For%20Proposals.ashx
Also on Page 34, there's an interesting chart of all the options considered: looks like everything is up in the air right now.

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Care to elaborate on that one?
They won't cut service because no one will allow them to. They are only threatening to cut service because they want more money and methods to acquire more funds, which requires support from the mayors.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 7, 2009, 9:29 PM
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Today I rode on a new MKII with 4-trains hooked up(I believed it was #309,#310,#311 and #312). These new trains really can hold a lot more people. The Metrotown station was packed with waiting passengers and the trains was able to 'swallow' everyone. Very impressive!
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2009, 1:41 AM
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Bunch of new videos on Translink's Youtube site.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TransLinkInfo

One highlight I heard is that they will be running 12 4-car MKII sets tomorrow, up from 6 before the new cars came in. This will undoubtedly increase as more MKIIs come into service.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 8, 2009, 2:10 AM
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^ those Translink videos are gawd awful. I'm not sure why they even bother making those, and to post them on the eve of it?
     
     
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Saw a 4-car new MKII train set on Saturday on te Expo Line.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2009, 11:01 PM
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Straight.com: TransLink hunts for money
http://www.straight.com/article-255498/translink-hunts-money

also notice the Stephen Rees comment:
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“We have to realize that transit is not going to pay for itself. The more we expand it, the bigger the problem gets. We need to get stable operating money from TransLink. They can’t even run the service they’ve got now, so they’re saying they’re going to have to start cutting. That’s going to start the spiral of rising costs and falling ridership, but won’t solve anything.”
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2009, 11:08 PM
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It was a terrible business plan in the beginning to think of all these projects but not think of how you'll find the money to both build and operate them.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2009, 11:14 PM
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It was a terrible business plan in the beginning to think of all these projects but not think of how you'll find the money to both build and operate them.
The blame still lies with the Provincial Government for this. The initial Translink spinoff from BC Transit, and the subsequent re-formatting of the structure is all on them.

At the same time they are the ones promising more transit expansion...
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2009, 11:20 PM
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The blame still lies with the Provincial Government for this. The initial Translink spinoff from BC Transit, and the subsequent re-formatting of the structure is all on them.

At the same time they are the ones promising more transit expansion...
Both the NDP and the Liberals should be held responsible, for NDP led to the formation of Translink and the reformatting of the structure under the Liberals. Translink should be abolished and its responsibility put back into BC Transit (Provincial Gov't). That should be one less level of bureaucracy that has to be dealt with. It's really becoming a laughing stock of the city and province.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2009, 11:28 PM
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The blame still lies with the Provincial Government for this. The initial Translink spinoff from BC Transit, and the subsequent re-formatting of the structure is all on them.

At the same time they are the ones promising more transit expansion...
The blame lies with both the provincial government (NDP and Liberal) and Translink. The NDP structured Translink in a way that it would be insufficiently funded for its massive mandate (roads AND transit) and the high expectations expected from the new agency. Translink realized this soon after it was created and tried to create the car levy, but as it required the provincial gov'ts approval the NDP canceled it due to public opposition.

...or maybe the NDP was assuming the provincial government would continue to pay for nearly the entire/majority cost of Translink's capital projects? The Millennium Line cost $1.1-billion, and $1-billion of that was from Victoria and the rest Translink. I am guessing the NDP were also expecting to do the same for the Millennium Line West and Coquitlam extensions.

With the new Liberal government, they of course axed the M-Line extensions and have decided that locals who most benefit from these projects should pay for bulk of the cost rather than the entire province. Calling the Canada Line funding scheme unique is an understatement. Translink will have to pay for InTransitBC's $750-million+ contribution over the next few decades, and when you include Translink's direct contribution the majority contributor to Canada Line funding is Translink at more than $1-billion. Translink also has to pay the private operator the operating costs (which appear to be substantially higher than SkyTrain) when you consider some maintenance and administrative costs could have overlapped with existing SkyTrain infrastructure maintenance costs...in other words, cost savings with an integrated system. And of course, the private operator is also assured what I think will be a substantial profit - money that could have otherwise gone back into Translink's coffers.

The Canada Line was also forced upon Translink by the provincial government. They had Evergreen LRT on the front burner initially, thank god it was canceled, and hadn't planned on funding such a large project in both the short and long-term. As well, during the Canada Line approval process there were also assurances made by Kevin Falcon that the Evergreen Line would be built as well - and would be completed at the same time as the Canada Line.

Today, the new Translink is the Liberal party's own creation (or to be more specific, Kevin Falcon's). The issue of not providing Translink enough funding resources is aggravated even more. And the whole new rule of fares, property taxes, and gas taxes all required to be increased altogether and not independently is beyond retarded...fares are simply too high as is. And fares, property taxes, and gas taxes are all that Translink is able to work with. The real estate division is a dream at this point, and the province is distancing itself as far as it can from necessary funding ideas like the car levy and regional toll. And yet, the province is still saying that Translink has sufficient funding resources.

The whole "study" to trim Translink's fat is laughable. They'll find millions to cut, but not the hundreds and hundreds of millions they need. The provincial government is making it look like that all Translink has to do is trim its fat and it'll find all the money it needs.



That's 10 years of regional transit history right there.

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Old Posted Sep 11, 2009, 2:24 AM
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Canada line for profit, and an integrated system boy is my blood really boiling. My heart rate is at 200bpm! If the Canada Line had been built as SkyTrain, how much would we have saved (and at 80m platforms)?
     
     
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If Victoria is expecting to find 10s of millions of waste on Translink's books, they won't maybe a couple of million. The Vehicle Levy is one of the vehicles in it's legislation , so I think they can implement it but collection it is another question. Collecting it would cost Translink significantly administratively unless it could collected by say ICBC. The government must allow Translink to use all of its legally allowed financial tools, They can't keep throwing roadblocks up ,than blame Translink for not taking advantage of all the tools in the legislation.
     
     
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